Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

[Wiltside]

https://youtu.be/4PxFWJ_2T2s

https://youtu.be/pPSiTGLL3Rg

Salary 4.5 this yr and next.


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He’s the guy I want Twix. Hit 4 threes last game too.

[Pokuokic]

Does anyone know where I can watch that G-League game (could not watch it live), I looked on the youtube channel and can't find it, i don't get why they would not post full G-League games on youtube if they stream them on there.

[RexBoyWonder]

Does anyone know where I can watch that G-League game (could not watch it live), I looked on the youtube channel and can't find it, i don't get why they would not post full G-League games on youtube if they stream them on there.

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[RexBoyWonder]

I Watched that Gleague game - is was a epic blowout, but still some things were apparent :

1) Jovic is a natural passer, great court vision and awarness, high IQ. He's also huge. He looks like a C out there as a 19YO.
The shot wasn't falling, he's a shooter that needs to refine his shot. missed some open 3's, hit a crazy hard one legged step back from deep. Also his length and awareness is translating into steals, He's not a bad defender at all.

2) Dru Smith is an NBA player. He's looking like a true vet out there, playing at his own pace, very much under control, good all around player. Can pass, defend, shot, has a mid range game. No clear weaknesses, although not elite at anything either.

3) Orlando Robinson is getting in better shape. He has clear skill, touch and outside shot. He's less slow then he was, if he can work on his body he might be something. Starting to remind me of Yurtseven, with less rebounding and more 3 point shooting.

[RexBoyWonder]

the Grant Williams rumor is super strange - sure he's a good fit, but a trade with the Celtics? what would we even offer?

PJ Washington is a very similar player and makes a lot more sense, Hornets are tanking anyway.

Is Grant Williams better then PJ at anything?

[Pokuokic]

Does anyone know where I can watch that G-League game (could not watch it live), I looked on the youtube channel and can't find it, i don't get why they would not post full G-League games on youtube if they stream them on there.

Watch on YouTube

You are a legend

[eddieheatfan]

the Grant Williams rumor is super strange - sure he's a good fit, but a trade with the Celtics? what would we even offer?

PJ Washington is a very similar player and makes a lot more sense, Hornets are tanking anyway.

Is Grant Williams better then PJ at anything?

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[twix2500]

Why are we hyped about Grant Williams but skittish about Crowder. I thought we wanted to get bigger. Heat need someone who can defend centers.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

the Grant Williams rumor is super strange - sure he's a good fit, but a trade with the Celtics? what would we even offer?

PJ Washington is a very similar player and makes a lot more sense, Hornets are tanking anyway.

Is Grant Williams better then PJ at anything?

Williams is far better shooter and doesn’t need the ball in his hands as much as PJ. He’s a very solid defender. A smart player who’s won big games and has been a key piece in winning big games. I’d prefer him to PJ but I’d be happy with either. Celtics trade makes no sense though.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why are we hyped about Grant Williams but skittish about Crowder. I thought we wanted to get bigger. Heat need someone who can defend centers.

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Because Williams is actually good at basketball.

I’m down to get bigger. Go get me Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Naz Reid, someone like that.

[IceColdCubano]

Why are we hyped about Grant Williams but skittish about Crowder. I thought we wanted to get bigger. Heat need someone who can defend centers.

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Because Williams is actually good at basketball.

I’m down to get bigger. Go get me Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Naz Reid, someone like that.

Grant Williams is literary almost identical to PJ in that he is beefy and girthy, but has enough athleticism to defend the perimeter above average and has great rebound instincts. If he could be had for Duncan, which Duncan is a net negative at this point and doesn't' play then you pull the trigger, he is younger than crowder so there's upside in him not just falling down the wayside in a year or two from age. We need more bodys in our PF rotation anyways, were very thin there, and cannot continue to count on Heismith being our saviour. Lets face it, Miami loves there tweeners at the PF spot, what can you do.

[AirP.]

Bam's current progression for his career, both raw stats and per36 to see his rate of stats. The guy projected as real difference maker early on mostly coming off the bench his first two years and has stayed a difference maker in his career so far.

Since Bam's not been as offensive as recent during the whole year so it'll be interesting how his numbers will change with more of this new role he's recently went towards.

Game stats.

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|player     |age|min |ts%  |2%   |fga |fta|ft%  |pts |ast|reb |stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|net|
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|Bam Adebayo|20 |19.8|0.57 |0.523|4.9 |2.6|0.721|6.9 |1.5|5.5 |0.5|0.6|1  |116 |105 |11 |
|Bam Adebayo|21 |23.3|0.623|0.588|5.9 |2.8|0.735|8.9 |2.2|7.3 |0.9|0.8|1.5|120 |104 |16 |
|Bam Adebayo|22 |33.6|0.598|0.564|11  |5.3|0.691|15.9|5.1|10.2|1.1|1.3|2.8|116 |106 |10 |
|Bam Adebayo|23 |33.5|0.626|0.573|12.5|5.5|0.799|18.7|5.4|9   |1.2|1  |2.6|122 |108 |14 |
|Bam Adebayo|24 |32.6|0.608|0.562|13  |6.1|0.753|19.1|3.4|10.1|1.4|0.8|2.6|117 |104 |13 |
|Bam Adebayo|25 |35  |0.593|0.543|15.3|5.4|0.867|21  |3.3|9.1 |1  |0.8|3.1|112 |109 |3  |
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Stat Per36 (to see the rate of stats)

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|player     |age|tspct|2%   |fga |fta|pts |ast|reb |stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|net|
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|Bam Adebayo|20 |0.57 |0.523|8.9 |4.7|12.6|2.7|10  |0.8|1.1|1.7|116 |105 |11 |
|Bam Adebayo|21 |0.623|0.588|9.1 |4.3|13.7|3.5|11.2|1.3|1.2|2.3|120 |104 |16 |
|Bam Adebayo|22 |0.598|0.564|11.8|5.7|17.1|5.5|10.9|1.2|1.4|3  |116 |106 |10 |
|Bam Adebayo|23 |0.626|0.573|13.4|5.9|20.1|5.8|9.6 |1.3|1.1|2.8|122 |108 |14 |
|Bam Adebayo|24 |0.608|0.562|14.4|6.7|21.1|3.7|11.1|1.6|0.9|2.9|117 |104 |13 |
|Bam Adebayo|25 |0.593|0.543|15.8|5.5|21.6|3.4|9.4 |1.1|0.8|3.2|112 |109 |3  |
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[twix2500]

Why are we hyped about Grant Williams but skittish about Crowder. I thought we wanted to get bigger. Heat need someone who can defend centers.

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Because Williams is actually good at basketball.

I’m down to get bigger. Go get me Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Naz Reid, someone like that.

I wouldn't trade a draft pick for the role Williams, PJ and Crowder played. Its a limited role. Because of his age he gonna be expensive.

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[IceColdCubano]

Sweet and Sour Sauces for my folks, got some juicy insider news:
Miami has began to reach out to teams in regards to a few candidates for trades to upgrade their PF spot in the last week or so. Its only been inquiring as of late trying to feel out the market, draft compensation is a necessity at this point in anything involving Duncan. As a few of the players of their interest currently in discussion is Marvin Bagley III from the Pistons was thrown into the ring from the Pistons themselves, The pistons are keen on the trade but want FRP's at least 2 of them for Marvin and some additional 2nd rounders. Recently traded from the Kings to the Pistons earlier this year, it seems they are heading a different direction. From the conversations had with the Pistons it sounds like their direction for their rebuild is heading in a new direction per their GM. However Marvin may be a long shot since there are still a few executives that are not sold on going all in on this season by giving up premium draft compensation liek 2 FRP's for a young but unproven PF in Bagley. Miami may need to find a third team that can help as Detroit is not interest in taking back Duncan's salary.

[AirP.]

Why are we hyped about Grant Williams but skittish about Crowder. I thought we wanted to get bigger. Heat need someone who can defend centers.

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Because Williams is actually good at basketball.

I’m down to get bigger. Go get me Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Naz Reid, someone like that.

I wouldn't trade a draft pick for the role Williams, PJ and Crowder played. Its a limited role. Because of his age he gonna be expensive.

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It's a limited but needed role. Also, I'd expect that Miami and Williams would come to an agreement to an extension before making the trade. Miami would have his Bird rights to be able to resign him while being over the cap as they are currently projected to be by a lot next year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Why are we hyped about Grant Williams but skittish about Crowder. I thought we wanted to get bigger. Heat need someone who can defend centers.

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Because Williams is actually good at basketball.

I’m down to get bigger. Go get me Myles Turner, Mo Bamba, Naz Reid, someone like that.

I wouldn't trade a draft pick for the role Williams, PJ and Crowder played. Its a limited role. Because of his age he gonna be expensive.

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I would for Williams and maybe Washington because they’ll be here long term starting at the 4 but crowder I wouldn’t. Nothing entices those teams to trade those guys without a pick unless we’re sending Jovic though, even crowder

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Sweet and Sour Sauces for my folks, got some juicy insider news:
Miami has began to reach out to teams in regards to a few candidates for trades to upgrade their PF spot in the last week or so. Its only been inquiring as of late trying to feel out the market, draft compensation is a necessity at this point in anything involving Duncan. As a few of the players of their interest currently in discussion is Marvin Bagley III from the Pistons was thrown into the ring from the Pistons themselves, The pistons are keen on the trade but want FRP's at least 2 of them for Marvin and some additional 2nd rounders. Recently traded from the Kings to the Pistons earlier this year, it seems they are heading a different direction. From the conversations had with the Pistons it sounds like their direction for their rebuild is heading in a new direction per their GM. However Marvin may be a long shot since there are still a few executives that are not sold on going all in on this season by giving up premium draft compensation liek 2 FRP's for a young but unproven PF in Bagley. Miami may need to find a third team that can help as Detroit is not interest in taking back Duncan's salary.

The Pistons are high as hell if they think they’ll get that for Bagley. Marvin has been promoted to a starter recently while Bey was moved to the bench. Seems they like Bagley but may want to free up space for Duren.

[AirP.]

Sweet and Sour Sauces for my folks, got some juicy insider news:
Miami has began to reach out to teams in regards to a few candidates for trades to upgrade their PF spot in the last week or so. Its only been inquiring as of late trying to feel out the market, draft compensation is a necessity at this point in anything involving Duncan. As a few of the players of their interest currently in discussion is Marvin Bagley III from the Pistons was thrown into the ring from the Pistons themselves, The pistons are keen on the trade but want FRP's at least 2 of them for Marvin and some additional 2nd rounders. Recently traded from the Kings to the Pistons earlier this year, it seems they are heading a different direction. From the conversations had with the Pistons it sounds like their direction for their rebuild is heading in a new direction per their GM. However Marvin may be a long shot since there are still a few executives that are not sold on going all in on this season by giving up premium draft compensation liek 2 FRP's for a young but unproven PF in Bagley. Miami may need to find a third team that can help as Detroit is not interest in taking back Duncan's salary.

This is what I feel Miami should be doing, targeting high upside younger players who just didn't pan out with their original teams. Instead of building up non drafted and usually less potential players, go after the higher potential players who have disappointed early on, maybe it's their fault, maybe it's the organizations fault but to me, it's a much better uses of lower 1st round picks to get high level talent. Also, if there's a guy you like late in the draft, I'm sure there's ways to find a late 1st round pick if you really want it or you can always try to buy an early 2nd round pick.

Bagley really butted heads with the organization/coaching staff in Sacramento, it ended up overflowing to social media.

Bagley’s career with the Kings has been a mess so far. He had a solid start in his rookie season, but it’s been downhill from there. He’s been played out of position at times. He’s also been hurt at other times. Now, there are times where the Kings just don’t play him.

And that’s driven a wedge between him and the team that reportedly came to a head on Monday during Sacramento’s game against the Suns.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/marvin-bagley-iii-kings-trade-rumors

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Here's Bagley's career stats.

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|player           |age|min |ts%  |2%   |fg3a|fg3pct|fga |fta|ft%  |pts |ast|reb|stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|net|
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|Marvin Bagley III|19 |25.3|0.562|0.534|2.2 |0.313 |16.2|6  |0.691|14.9|1  |7.6|0.5|1  |1.6|111 |110 |1  |
|Marvin Bagley III|20 |25.7|0.512|0.51 |2.4 |0.182 |18  |3.3|0.806|14.2|0.8|7.5|0.5|0.9|1.4|102 |111 |-9 |
|Marvin Bagley III|21 |25.9|0.554|0.55 |3.5 |0.343 |15.9|4.3|0.575|14.1|1  |7.4|0.5|0.5|1.4|109 |117 |-8 |
|Marvin Bagley III|22 |27.2|0.585|0.624|2.6 |0.229 |14.7|4  |0.593|14.6|1.1|6.8|0.7|0.4|1  |115 |114 |1  |
|Marvin Bagley III|22 |23.9|0.551|0.579|3   |0.237 |14  |3.2|0.663|11.3|0.8|7  |0.5|0.4|0.8|112 |114 |-2 |
|Marvin Bagley III|22 |21.9|0.521|0.538|3.4 |0.242 |13.5|2.6|0.745|9.3 |0.6|7.2|0.3|0.4|0.7|110 |115 |-5 |
|Marvin Bagley III|23 |24.5|0.631|0.609|2.3 |0.368 |13.6|3.3|0.815|12.9|0.7|6.8|0.8|0.7|1.3|121 |116 |5  |
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Here's Bagley's Per36 stats for his rate of stats. Around a 19 pt per 36 with near average efficiency or higher. His issues currently is on the defensive end of the court but it would be a nice risk with at guy at 6-11, 235lb.

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|player           |age|ts%  |2%   |fg3a|fg3pct|fga |fta|ft%  |pts |ast|reb |stl|blk|to |ortg|drtg|net|
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|Marvin Bagley III|19 |0.562|0.534|2.2 |0.313 |16.2|6  |0.691|21.2|1.4|10.8|0.8|1.4|2.3|111 |110 |1  |
|Marvin Bagley III|20 |0.512|0.51 |2.4 |0.182 |18  |3.3|0.806|19.9|1.1|10.5|0.6|1.3|1.9|102 |111 |-9 |
|Marvin Bagley III|21 |0.554|0.55 |3.5 |0.343 |15.9|4.3|0.575|19.7|1.4|10.3|0.7|0.7|1.9|109 |117 |-8 |
|Marvin Bagley III|22 |0.585|0.624|2.6 |0.229 |14.7|4  |0.593|19.2|1.4|9   |1  |0.5|1.3|115 |114 |1  |
|Marvin Bagley III|22 |0.551|0.579|3   |0.237 |14  |3.2|0.663|17  |1.1|10.6|0.7|0.6|1.2|112 |114 |-2 |
|Marvin Bagley III|22 |0.521|0.538|3.4 |0.242 |13.5|2.6|0.745|15.3|0.9|11.8|0.5|0.6|1.2|110 |115 |-5 |
|Marvin Bagley III|23 |0.631|0.609|2.3 |0.368 |13.6|3.3|0.815|19  |1  |10  |1.2|1  |1.8|121 |116 |5  |
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Detroit Bagley vs Boston last year (He played center, would be a nice option at PF and C when Bam's out).

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Miami just needs a PF that will be solid or has some real potential.

[AirP.]

On the Rick Bucher report from 2 days ago, here's what he said.

The Heat and Bulls are in a similar predicament, laden with expensive rosters and high expectations and currently on course to miss the postseason. But with stars that league sources say they've deemed untouchable — Jimmy Butler and Bam Adebayo for the Heat, Zach LaVine and DeMar DeRozan for the Bulls — and role players with outsized contracts — Duncan Robinson and Tyler Herro for the Heat, Lonzo Ball and Nikola Vucevic for the Bulls — their flexibility to make a meaningful addition appears limited. One league source said the Heat are willing to move Kyle Lowry, but at 37, and with another year left on a three-year $85 million deal, it’s hard to identify a team that would take him on and provide the Heat with an upgrade.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/nba-front-office-confidential-lakers-knicks-timberwolves-hawks

Butler and Bam are untouchable and surprisingly to me DeMar is untouchable for Chicago, they're not close and he's getting up there in age.

[greg4012]

Chicago Bulls Patrick Williams, what are your thoughts on him and his fit here as a possible trade target? I just listened to Windy talk about the disappointment in Williams.

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Would be a perfect fit for us. Patrick Williams has potential to impact the game like OG Anunoby, while more naturally handling the ball. Would grow into an absolutely lethal frontcourt pairing with Bam. Still only 21 years old.

With how our staff develops players and maximizes their skillsets (see PJ Tucker having his best season at age 37 with Miami), this would be a great buy-low that can fit our current core and future core.