BPM from 1952-1973

Narigo · Post #1 » by **Narigo** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 6:06 am

Stumbled across this online. What do you think?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/nbadiscussion/comments/dabgtw/historical_boxscore_plusminus_19521973/&ved=2ahUKEwiPvbuGqeT7AhUDrokEHelQBtsQjjh6BAgMEAE&usg=AOvVaw0Tcbes7QBjuULcYaatU3hA

LukaTheGOAT · Post #2 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 6:29 am

I like it. It looks similar to Player Impact, that went from 1952-2014 (no longer around seemingly). I don't know if I am recalling correctly, but I think Bill looks a bit better than Wilt generally in Player Impact, however with BPM, it seems as if Wilt gets favored more often. Overall, I think this looks pretty darn good. Thanks, for starting a dialogue on this.

Will just say, that this stat was based off BPM 1.0.

wojoaderge · Post #3 » by **wojoaderge** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 4:39 pm

Tom Boerwinkle was not that good of a defensive player

70sFan · Post #4 » by **70sFan** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 4:56 pm

wojoaderge wrote:Tom Boerwinkle was not that good of a defensive player

He was an amazing rebounder though, which is pretty much all this stat measure.

Post #5 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 4:58 pm

Really enjoyed looking at this, will probably come back to it several times. Agree that Boerwinkle was not very mobile nor a strong man defender generally but he was long, blocked shots, and held position well. He was also a surprisingly good passer and hit enough midrange shots to keep his man honest in Motta's high post offense. His defensive rating may be helped by playing with 4 very good man defenders that would use him as a backstop on defense; curious whether Cliff Ray's Drtgs in Chicago were equally good per minutes, haven't checked yet.

Cavsfansince84 · Post #6 » by **Cavsfansince84** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 7:26 pm

The main issue I'd have with the pre 74 stuff would be lack of steals and blocks data and Wilt's vorp being that low from 1960-64 seems a bit off given how many minutes he was playing. Which obviously may be impacted by blocks/steals not being fully represented.

rk2023 · Post #7 » by **rk2023** » Tue Dec 6, 2022 10:10 pm

Thanks for sharing, I definitely see the correlation with box stats in the case of Chamberlain and Oscar. Regardless of BPM interpretation, cool work and initiative

SpreeS · Post #8 » by **SpreeS** » Wed Dec 7, 2022 7:13 am

Nice done. Is it difficult to conculate careers BPM and VORP with this data?