Are the Dallas Mavericks simply a bad franchise/organization?

[chuck_wagon44]

You would think with an innovative and energetic owner like Mark Cuban with significant business ties and global recognition would be able to enable more success with his franchise.

But instead, they've only won 1 championship (which was a huge fluke because LeBron didn't feel like taking matchup advantage vs JJ Barrea).

More importantly, it's how they operate on a business end. They could've benefited the most from hiring a GM like Daryl Morey but instead, they have these no-name GMs who simply can't make any free agent splashes and significant upgrades to roster around their star players (Nash, Finley ...Dirk...now Luka).

I remember back in my high school days, they were recruiting Rashard Lewis super aggressively with the new rennovated locker rooms and gave him a first class tour of the city. He was a Houston raised kid who would've loved to be close to home but instead, he rejected the Mavs immediately.

Then in 2012-2013, they tried to recruit Dwight Howard and went hard after him. I felt at the time, this was the best move Dwight could've made for this career alongside Dirk. But instead, Dwight chose Houston over them as well.

Like what is going on? Are free-agents just not interested in the organization? Or are they intimidated by the Cowboys being such a controlling force in that market that they'll feel irrelevant? Or is it that the organization doesn't have proper personnel in place to attract pieces?

At this pace, Luka needs to leave Dallas if he wants to win.

No way he can win on a trash team like this.

[Tetlak]

They won't have cap space for 3 seasons in all likelihood. They're going to be wasting most of Luka's extension.

[BmanInBigD]

Cuban’s a Jerry Jones starter kit. And look at the Cowboys since Jerry fired and took over for Jimmy. I hear locals trying to excuse him by sayin “no cap room” for the last 20 years. Well why the hell not?

[kiwinbafan05]

Like Lebron, Luka got too good too quickly, which did not enable the Mavs to draft high enough to get another bonafide star next to Luka. However, what is interesting is that the Pels actually had the same record as the Mavs in the year of the Zion draft...

Cuban should have gone all in while Luka was on his Rookie contract.

[Texas Chuck]

since Cuban bought the team only the OP's Spurs have won more games. And I freely concede the Spurs are a better organization.

In that same time period only 8 different franchises have won a title. Dallas is one of those 8.

No, they aren't a bad franchise. At all. They have clearly been one of the best under Cuban. Perfect? Of course not. But these threads are dumb.

[pontius]

No, Dallas is one of the better franchises, but Cuban tends to get overrated as an owner by the average fan.

[Godymas]

yes even though people don't want to call them out for it. they have now lucked into drafting a generational franchise player twice in a row. however, they've also mismanaged their FA decisions and talent. it's always astonishing how they let Steve Nash walk and he becomes an MVP, they traded away Jason Kidd. Dirk had an incredible run in the mid 00s which could've only benefitted from having Steve Nash around that time. Of course maybe Steven Nash doesn't become the Steve Nash we know without teaming up with Mike D'Antoni, but it's not like they're releasing role players. Kidd and Nash were All Stars that they chose not to keep. Maybe the Mavs with Nash win in 2006.

Fortunately enough veterans hopped on with Dirk and in all honesty the Mavericks did somewhat luck their way to a championship. It was 100% an earned and deserved championship, but of course LeBron had to choke for the only time in his career for it to happen and Dirk had to basically become the best version of himself in his early 30s which is unheard of.

Then they lose most of the championship roster, start experimenting and patch together a roster around Monta Ellis and slide down to the twilight years of Dirk's career before managing to secure Luka which is one of the most fortunate franchise moves in recent history.


I think not enough people call out Mark Cuban for the fact that he is one of the more business oriented owners in the league. He runs his time with a budget, looks at the economics, and just wants to have a packed stadium every night.

In some ways he actually isn't that far off from Ted Leonisis even though people don't want to admit it. Their philosophy is actually not that different. Find a franchise guy and secure him as the face, use it to sell seats and merch and if you're contending it's a bonus. Make the role guys work harder, find guys that will over perform their contract. Being a tread mill team is ok. The difference is Leonisis builds around lesser stars really but just look at the Washington Capitals which Leonsis owns, who has Ovechkin.

The actual basketball decision making is kind of mediocre at best. Mark wants guys that will dazzle night in night out even if they aren't going to make him win.

[DaddyCool19]

Cuban is happy that he was handed Dirk and Luka.

[MrBigShot]

Hell no. Since cuban took over they've had 13 seasons with 50+ wins, including 3 with 60+, two finals appearances, and one championship.

[Texas Chuck]

I think not enough people call out Mark Cuban for the fact that he is one of the more business oriented owners in the league. He runs his time with a budget, looks at the economics, and just wants to have a packed stadium every night.

Look at luxury tax paid by team during his tenure. Tell me again about how Cuban is focused on the bottom line? I mean you may not remember this but he kept getting sued by the minority owners because he kept operating at a loss trying to win lol.

Yes, he does want a full building(like every single team governor). Yes, he had a budget, and watches the economics. Like literally every other team.

I get Cuban is off-putting and arrogant. And definitely deserves criticism for a lot of things. Spending is not really the best place to start lol.

[Statlanta]

That 1999-2014 run was legendary at least RS wise. You can’t be a bad franchise when you have memorable players and playoff moments

[chuck_wagon44]

since Cuban bought the team only the OP's Spurs have won more games. And I freely concede the Spurs are a better organization.

In that same time period only 8 different franchises have won a title. Dallas is one of those 8.

No, they aren't a bad franchise. At all. They have clearly been one of the best under Cuban. Perfect? Of course not. But these threads are dumb.

Spurs are trending down now with a looming ownership issue and a complacent GM and a head coach that should've retired 4 years ago.

I'm trying to find out why Dallas is so bad? They have Dwight Powell as a featured player...like at best, he's a poor man's Ryan Hollins

[Duffman100]

Since 2000 Dallas has,

Won +60 games 3 times
Won +50 games 13 times
Won +40 games 18 times
Made the playoffs 18 times
Won a title
Made the finals 2 times
Made the conf finals 4 times
Made the semis 8 times

You know how many teams would love to have this track record?

[Nailon]

I wont talk about free agent fiascos like Deron Williams/ DeAndre Jordan, I just want to point the inability of the GM to attract free agents; better said, to dispute free agents with ANY OTHER team. It looks like the only chance Dallas has to get an FA is nobody likes it.

For example, I knew they wont bring back Brunson just because NY wanted him, so they need to find out a replacement. Logical solution? Luka's childhood superhero Goran Dragic. He and Luka even spent summer basket together. At the end he went to Chicago (I wont even mention the "shot" they had at Markannen a year ago), and who was the replacement? First they bring back a nobody-likes Campazzo just to replace him with one-knee Kemba.

I thought it was a Donnie Nelson situation, but Nico Harrison is in the same line

[Texas Chuck]

They have Dwight Powell as a featured player...like at best, he's a poor man's Ryan Hollins

Thread confirmed not serious.

Dwight Powell is 9th in the team in minutes played. He gets 3 shots a game.

Featured indeed lol

[Pharmcat]

I think not enough people call out Mark Cuban for the fact that he is one of the more business oriented owners in the league. He runs his time with a budget, looks at the economics, and just wants to have a packed stadium every night.

Look at luxury tax paid by team during his tenure. Tell me again about how Cuban is focused on the bottom line? I mean you may not remember this but he kept getting sued by the minority owners because he kept operating at a loss trying to win lol.

Yes, he does want a full building(like every single team governor). Yes, he had a budget, and watches the economics. Like literally every other team.

I get Cuban is off-putting and arrogant. And definitely deserves criticism for a lot of things. Spending is not really the best place to start lol.

Cubes has made 2 mistakes:
1) the sexual harassment scandal
2) not listening to his bball people and listening to agents , other outside voices. His people want gianis but the agent promised Dwight to him so he traded back to get more cap space

Otherwise I’d take an owner whose willing to spend whatever it takes

[Exp0sed]

ofc they are

their asset management have been continually one of the worst in the league under Cuban
that mostly means: trades and FA signings

some of you are young I guess, but it's hard to forget the likes of Dampier, Haywood, Abdul Wahad, Lefrentz etc.

The Porzingis trade was out of this world awful (both of them )

just think about it, the Mavs traded for Zingis (while he was injured), so they basically took a flier on him as Luka's 2nd star
it cost them 2 Frp's and eating THJ's bad contract
every person with half a brain knew this wasn't gonna work out, and they ended up having to split his bad contract into two, one was Dinwiddie whose overpriced but at least fits with Luka and is a a baller and Bertans corpse that's paid like 17m thru 2026

it's not like they extended Dinwiddie either, he can just walk this coming summer

so no cap relief, no frp's and seriously hamstrung themselves during Luka's prime for what..? a flier on Zingis?

this has been the story over and over in trades and in FA negotations

so yeah, ofc they're poorly managed
u can argue that it's not Cuban but the ppl he appoints and that's true but it still is what it is - it's on him to hire capable ppl

[facothomas22]

No. The Mavericks been in the playoffs every year during the Dirk years from 2001-2012 and have built good to great teams around him throughout his prime years. The main issue with Mavericks Front Office during the Luka Doncic era is that they traded away 2 1st round picks to get Kristaps Porzingis, which didn't work out for them and has somewhat handicapped them when it comes to making huge trades. Once the Mavericks no longer own draft compensation to the Knicks, thus having as much as 4 tradeable 1st round picks combine with their bad contracts in Tim Hardaway Jr and Davis Bertans becoming more valuable, I would expect the Mavericks to make bigger moves to help Luka Doncic. So the Mavericks under the Mark Cuban era has been really successful with some struggles here and there.

[Duffman100]

No. The Mavericks been in the playoffs every year during the Dirk years from 2001-2012 and have built good to great teams around him throughout his prime years. The main issue with Mavericks Front Office during the Luka Doncic era is that they traded away 2 1st round picks to get Kristaps Porzingis, which didn't work out for them and has somewhat handicapped them when it comes to making huge trades. Once the Mavericks no longer own draft compensation to the Knicks, thus having as much as 4 tradeable 1st round picks combine with their bad contracts in Tim Hardaway Jr and Davis Bertans becoming more valuable, I would expect the Mavericks to make bigger moves to help Luka Doncic. So the Mavericks under the Mark Cuban era has been really successful with some struggles here and there.

And you can see the logic behind it. You're swinging for the absolute fences and if it pays off, you're a title contender for the next 8-10 years.

I forget, did Porky ask out? There was bad blood there right? Otherwise I just don't know if they were patient / load balanced him enough.

[brutalitops]

They have won a title in the history, much more then a lot of teams can claim

Luka is 23 years old


Calm down