Miami Heat 22-23 Regular Season Thread 2.0

[dshearn]

Jimmy missed yesterday’s game because the Heat want him to “return to competitive conditioning”. Looks like he failed a conditioning test. Amin on the Le Batard show hinting something is going on between the Heat and Butler.

I have heard enough Le Batard to take everything I hear there with a grain of salt....

but


Jimmy is not the guy to screw around with, the track record is there of his attitude imploding


If they can't get Jimmy to buy into what they want, move him sooner rather than later.

Trading Jimmy soon allows the team to recap as much capital as possible, and allows for the removal of Lowery too.

I love both those guys and want them to work, I don't want to trade them...but.... Jimmy has a track record. If ...and that is a big if.... he is not staying in shape, or worse passive aggressively bombing conditioning test because he is upset or whatever... They need to keep that on a short leash. You can't win by strong Arming Jimmy Butler, the dude will go nuclear, just move him if he is not in lock step with the team.

[carnageta]

Honestly, I might be pissed off a bit as well if I was Bam. Barely any offense being run for you, barely get your number called on offense, and have this huge responsibility on the defense end trying to cover for guys in the paint that weigh 200lbs and are 6'5".

Imagine spending all summer working on your offensive game and the coach still resorts to an 'equal opportunity offense' where d-league affiliates Max Strus, Caleb Martin and Gabriel Vincent have the ultimate green light and you don't.

Again, you're down Jimmy Butler and you're at home against the second worst team in the NBA. Why would you rely on d-league players to bring you home instead of your so-called stars? Bam took 16 shots last night. That's 1 above his regular season average. We were down our best player. The math doesn't add up - there's supposed to be a carry job by your best players but there wasn't. You know why? Because the guy barely has his number called offensively.

Last night, Herro and Bam should have both taken 20+ shots, and the coach should have utilized a game plan to ensure that happens. Instead, lesser talented offensive folks were able to get more shots in and brick them, costing us the game.


Yeah, yeah, the defense is bad.. but guess what, if you're barely hitting 90 against the Pistons in 2022, you have some serious offensive identity issues.

To top it off, I’m sure we were disappointed when Mitchell went to the Cavs but I bet Bam was fuming. Mitchell literally said “I thought playing in the Miami pro league so much this summer was preparing Bam and I to play together next season in Miami.” I just know Bam was pissed off.

Plus like you said he’s the entire defense and hasn’t got the recognition he deserves for years now because he’s too busy doing everything offensively for lesser players to get open looks.

We better be careful here, if he were to leave in free agency to join Mitchell and garland in Cleveland or Tatum and Brown in Boston it would set this franchise back so far.

It's a real possibility that Bam could leave in free agency couple years from now. He'll be in the absolute prime of his career, may be ringless by then, and like you said Mitchell and Tatum/Brown will come knocking in his ear. He could arguably be the missing piece on both of those teams. I.e. Celtics with 28 y.o Bam, 28 y.o Tatum, and 29 y.o Brown absolutely destroy NBA and probably win multiple championships. Heat fans won't admit it, but that is an enticing offer, and won't even be looked as a 'cheap move' (i.e. Durant going to the Warriors).

Fans are rivals, but players aren't rivals anymore. As much as we fans hate it, one of Bam's best friends is Jayson Tatum, and he would absolutely at the very least consider playing in Boston when the time comes.

[EMC5466]

Amin also said Jimmy traveled to Boston in a private jet and has been away from the team for the last week or two.

Something is going on.

[Flash4thewin]

Jimmy missed yesterday’s game because the Heat want him to “return to competitive conditioning”. Looks like he failed a conditioning test. Amin on the Le Batard show hinting something is going on between the Heat and Butler.

I have heard enough Le Batard to take everything I hear there with a grain of salt....

but


Jimmy is not the guy to screw around with, the track record is there of his attitude imploding


If they can't get Jimmy to buy into what they want, move him sooner rather than later.

Trading Jimmy soon allows the team to recap as much capital as possible, and allows for the removal of Lowery too.

I love both those guys and want them to work, I don't want to trade them...but.... Jimmy has a track record. If ...and that is a big if.... he is not staying in shape, or worse passive aggressively bombing conditioning test because he is upset or whatever... They need to keep that on a short leash. You can't win by strong Arming Jimmy Butler, the dude will go nuclear, just move him if he is not in lock step with the team.

Where there is smoke, there is fire. Jimmy for the last few games has looked as un interested as possible. Heck even in the game he showed up in (Boston) he was relatively quiet for the first quarter+ before he decided to try. How many games have we seen where we are desperate for a score, desperate for someone to take over only to have Jimmy take 10 shots. Thats some next level passive aggression. Maybe the front office said we have enough to win, maybe Jimmy is making all of those passes to show just how dead wrong the front office is? Clearly something is up.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Amin also said Jimmy traveled to Boston in a private jet and has been away from the team for the last week or two.

Something is going on.

We’ll honestly that’s probably because he was sent back to Miami in the middle of our road trip for treatment with the Heat staff and then he flew out to Boston when the rest of the team was already there

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmy is not out of shape, not even close. It was scheduled rest that we don’t have the luxury of giving right now, especially after how he played against Memphis

[EMC5466]

Jimmy is not out of shape, not even close. It was scheduled rest that we don’t have the luxury of giving right now, especially after how he played against Memphis

Then why put return to competitive conditioning on the reason for the DNP. Usually they just put “scheduled rest” or something like that.

[AirP.]

Jimmy is not out of shape, not even close. It was scheduled rest that we don’t have the luxury of giving right now, especially after how he played against Memphis

Then why put return to competitive conditioning on the reason for the DNP. Usually they just put “scheduled rest” or something like that.

I thought that was strange too, but it seems to be a new term NBA teams are using. Who knows maybe a memo was recently sent out to teams to use that term.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Jimmy is not out of shape, not even close. It was scheduled rest that we don’t have the luxury of giving right now, especially after how he played against Memphis

Then why put return to competitive conditioning on the reason for the DNP. Usually they just put “scheduled rest” or something like that.

No clue, he’s definitely not out of shape though lol. I mean just look at him, dudes like 1% body fat. You don’t cook Boston the way he did being out of shape either.

[AirP.]

Odd when you already have Collins?

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[Flash4thewin]

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“You can argue that, for its length, he has the worst contract in the league,” the executive told Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney. “There are other big ones that are bad, like what the [New York] Knicks are paying Julius Randle or the Ben Simmons contract, but those are guys who have value because they can still produce.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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“You can argue that, for its length, he has the worst contract in the league,” the executive told Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney. “There are other big ones that are bad, like what the [New York] Knicks are paying Julius Randle or the Ben Simmons contract, but those are guys who have value because they can still produce.

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Yeah and water is wet This is what we have been saying all along yet still see Duncan added in deals for players well out of the price range.

[IceColdCubano]

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“You can argue that, for its length, he has the worst contract in the league,” the executive told Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney. “There are other big ones that are bad, like what the [New York] Knicks are paying Julius Randle or the Ben Simmons contract, but those are guys who have value because they can still produce.

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Yeah and water is wet This is what we have been saying all along yet still see Duncan added in deals for players well out of the price range.

Which is why we cannot get trades done, without giving up a bunch of picks to offload Duncan for salary swap.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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We have no competition outside of the Suns in the trade market for frontcourt depth. You have the wizards and hawks but they look like they mainly want to swap their pieces for one another.

[Beenie]

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“You can argue that, for its length, he has the worst contract in the league,” the executive told Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney. “There are other big ones that are bad, like what the [New York] Knicks are paying Julius Randle or the Ben Simmons contract, but those are guys who have value because they can still produce.

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Don’t know if this has been posted or not but Duncan’s final 10 mil isn’t guaranteed.

Still a poop contract overall but a noteworthy tidbit none the less

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/duncan-robinson-contract-heat-not-bad-clause/597569?amp

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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“You can argue that, for its length, he has the worst contract in the league,” the executive told Heavy.com’s Sean Deveney. “There are other big ones that are bad, like what the [New York] Knicks are paying Julius Randle or the Ben Simmons contract, but those are guys who have value because they can still produce.

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Don’t know if this has been posted or not but Duncan’s final 10 mil isn’t guaranteed.

Still a poop contract overall but a noteworthy tidbit none the less

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/duncan-robinson-contract-heat-not-bad-clause/597569?amp

To a tanking team looking to add assets it really shouldn’t be a roadblock. They can once again flip his contract when he’s expiring for another asset.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I think the team is fed up with small ball and killing themselves on a nightly basis and is pretty much fed up with Spo and the front office. I don't blame the guys one bit for their gripes. The front office put has put this team is such a horrible position. As for Butler I hope he continues to sit and get rest. I want him for the long haul when we have actual pieces to really compete and not clowning around with 6'5 guards playing PF. They basically told Butler he's the PF when he specifically said before the season started that he's not a PF.

[3ballbomber]

Idk why everyone says spo is a good coach. That fool got lucky to have three of the arguably top 5 players in the NBA at the time playing for him. Infact if it wasn't for Riley that phuckface wouldn't even be a coach on this team. He not a good coach. He might be a good assistant coach to get the lower guys to perform harder, but not a good head coach. Never has been. Dude never makes an adjustment to save his life, no matter how obvious it is. Infact the more obvious it is the more he digs in his bs.

Were you this vocal when we swept Boston & took LA to 6gm's in the finals hobbled & depleted! Were you this critical last season when we were top of the East in spite of having key players out during reg season, taking a healthy Boston squad to 7gm's & a 3pt shot away from making another NBA finals in 3 seasons!

No such thing as a perfect coach but most will have issues w/ this roster/situation let alone lesser coaches. Spo is highly respected in the league but In typical Miami fandom fashion we're the only one who sh*ts on our own. Grass isn't always greener on the other side. We could end up w/ weeds & have more to whinge about.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Since Duncan is untradeable that leaves us with Lowry and our picks in order to try and get something done. Lowry will be an expiring contract next year and is a lot easier for teams to swallow. He's still have very useful player unlike Duncan so a team in desperate need of a vet PG should be very interested. The more we lose the easier it will be for the organization to cut ties and thank him for his service. The tricky part will be doing right by Lowry and getting him to a desirable destination.