OT: Russia-Ukraine War

[Zenzibar]

Some Jew, Black, etc hating members of Ukraine's scumbag ulta white Azov regiment many here want to continue to fund with billions of our dollars. Interesting.

Yeah funding the Ukraine always seemed sus to me but if you judge every country by their worst, most bigoted everyone would be incarcerated.

Facts and if found to be true, they should be on that T-list also, just because of their ideology.

[8516knicks]

And if u look closely it appears the guy's arm holding the Hitler photo and the photo and frame themsleves are photoshopped. Either that or the guy's right arm is SEVERLEY deformed.

[E-Balla]

Some Jew, Black, etc hating members of Ukraine's scumbag ulta white Azov regiment many here want to continue to fund with billions of our dollars. Interesting.

Yeah funding the Ukraine always seemed sus to me but if you judge every country by their worst, most bigoted everyone would be incarcerated.

Most countries don't have Nazi military battalions though.

[Luv those Knicks]

Bro, no disrespect but you wrote a WHOLE lot but said relatively little different IMO.
As far as Nazisim, it's historically birthed when a portion of the population that was once in power, is now in their perspective disenfranchised. In the case of the U.S. the radical nationalists are the white confederates you mostly saw during Trump's regime. The same ones that rioted and stormed the Capitol.

To say they've gone away or not simmering to raise in arms is negligent.

The Nazi party in the Ukraine had gone away even before the war started. It's old news.

Why are you so passionately anti-Ukraine? Or, are you simply pro Putin?

[8516knicks]

Some Jew, Black, etc hating members of Ukraine's scumbag ulta white Azov regiment many here want to continue to fund with billions of our dollars. Interesting.

Yeah funding the Ukraine always seemed sus to me but if you judge every country by their worst, most bigoted everyone would be incarcerated.

Most countries don't have Nazi military battalions though.

They call them RUSSIAN now.

[Clyde_Style]

This is not that complex guys.

It was purely Kremlin messaging used to justify their unprovoked invasion that Ukraine was

(a) harboring dozens of laboratories concocting bio-warfare weapons

(b) Ukraine was a Nazi state that Russia sought to liberate

both debunked. Repeating them now is irresponsible.

Instead of pursuing arguments here, I recommend taking ten minutes to do a little research to clear up these falsehoods

How the false Russian biolab story came to circulate among the U.S. far right
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1087910880/biological-weapons-far-right-russia-ukraine

Is there any truth to Russia's 'Ukrainian Nazis' propaganda?
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-there-any-truth-to-russias-ukrainian-nazis-propaganda/a-63970461

One thing to keep in mind about Russia. Under Putin, and long before the invasion, there has existed a whole infrastructure of supremacist militias that operate out of physical health training centers, kind of like fight clubs for Russian Nazis. This is well documented and irrefutable.

By comparison, Ukraine's institutions have done their best to absorb fractious, hate driven militia types into their military and security forces, probably with some problems because that is not always a strategy that will work.

Though not driven by state imperatives or institutional initiatives, white nationalists have been joining police forces in cities all over America for well over a decade. That movement actually has had that agenda and they partially succeeded already. Some of their recruits are from VFW's coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq. There have been actual outreach efforts to identify which whites amongst returning vets had white supremacist sympathies that could be encouraged to join a police force.

By comparison, America could be said to have a distinctly larger problem than the Ukraine ever did when it comes to Nazi cells in our midst. But much of that may be a moot point now that most Ukrainians still in the country who are able to fight have rallied together in repelling the Russians.

You're going to find Nazis in every northern European nation. They are in Germany, every country in Scandinavia, in Hungary and there were surely some in Ukraine. This is neither news nor justification to invade Ukraine nor refusing to support their effort to expel the Russians from their country.

Just please do your homework and don't spread lies that all originated from the Kremlin.

[Luv those Knicks]

This is not that complex guys.

It was purely Kremlin messaging used to justify their unprovoked invasion that Ukraine was

Nice post Clyde. I like your posts.

I remember reading years ago, maybe 10 years ago, the Ukraine actually had a small Nazi party that has since lost support. Was that a Russian lie as well, or is there any truth to that? Might have even been even longer than 10 years. Do you have any info on that?

Putin was certainly telling lies back then as well. He's one of the few who lies even more than Trump, so it might never have been true.

[Clyde_Style]

This is not that complex guys.

It was purely Kremlin messaging used to justify their unprovoked invasion that Ukraine was

Nice post Clyde. I like your posts.

I remember reading years ago, maybe 10 years ago, the Ukraine actually had a small Nazi party that has since lost support. Was that a Russian lie as well, or is there any truth to that? Might have even been even longer than 10 years. Do you have any info on that?

Putin was certainly telling lies back then as well. He's one of the few who lies even more than Trump, so it might never have been true.

There are Nazis in pretty much every traditionally white European country. White people generally spawn at least a small percentage of Nazis or if not directly self-identifying as Hitler's descendants then people who support genocidal policies against those they don't consider members of their particular tribe.

But I was also being completely real in saying the U.S. probably has more Nazis per capita than anyone else. Trump really was a disaster for this nation. His father was a Klansman

[Zenzibar]

Professor John J. Mearsheimer who is a foreign political Scholar has provided me the most comprehensive understanding of the causes and possible direction of this war. With 28 million views it's very detailed.

However, it may not be what some want to hear, much like the deniers of the read: The Real Story of Thanksgiving: Story of a Massacre 1637. There's always 3-sides of every event.

Watch on YouTube

[E-Balla]

This is not that complex guys.

It was purely Kremlin messaging used to justify their unprovoked invasion that Ukraine was

(a) harboring dozens of laboratories concocting bio-warfare weapons

(b) Ukraine was a Nazi state that Russia sought to liberate

both debunked. Repeating them now is irresponsible.

Well known Russian propaganda spreaders:

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUKKBN1GV2TY

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

Some of us pay attention to world politics outside of when CNN tells us to and we remember the Neo-Nazi problem was talked about well before Russia invaded. We don't have to be defending Russia's actions to say that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem.

"All of Europe has a Neo-Nazi problem" isn't a defense either because y'all already know how I feel about global white supremacy and speaking against that has gotten me banned from 2 different boards (the PC Board and the Current Events board) on here because mods play favorites when it comes to speaking out against blatant white supremacists on here (shoutout to Lorak who was an Eastern European Neo Nazi that got me banned from the current events board before later getting banned for promoting Eugenics).

[Clyde_Style]

This is not that complex guys.

It was purely Kremlin messaging used to justify their unprovoked invasion that Ukraine was

(a) harboring dozens of laboratories concocting bio-warfare weapons

(b) Ukraine was a Nazi state that Russia sought to liberate

both debunked. Repeating them now is irresponsible.

Well known Russian propaganda spreaders:

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/359609-the-reality-of-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-is-far-from-kremlin-propaganda/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUKKBN1GV2TY

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-turns-a-blind-eye-to-ultrarightist-militia/2017/02/12/dbf9ea3c-ecab-11e6-b4ff-ac2cf509efe5_story.html

Some of us pay attention to world politics outside of when CNN tells us to and we remember the Neo-Nazi problem was talked about well before Russia invaded. We don't have to be defending Russia's actions to say that Ukraine has a Neo-Nazi problem.

"All of Europe has a Neo-Nazi problem" isn't a defense either because y'all already know how I feel about global white supremacy and speaking against that has gotten me banned from 2 different boards (the PC Board and the Current Events board) on here because mods play favorites when it comes to speaking out against blatant white supremacists on here (shoutout to Lorak who was an Eastern European Neo Nazi that got me banned from the current events board before later getting banned for promoting Eugenics).

Not sure what you want to tell me here with this phrase.

I think I've been pretty clear there is a global problem with Nazism so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here.

And it is a massive issue now in the U.S. as well as I've already said

But that may be a different discussion than whether or not an invasion is justified.

Russian propaganda was they were liberating Ukraine from the Nazis which is ludicrous. Putin is neither a liberator nor anti-Nazi so as far as a justification for the war it is absolute rubbish.

That has pretty much nothing to do with the other matter of Nazis having been in the Ukraine prior to the invasion.

Mexico invading America to liberate it from the Nazis is about as reasonable a statement as Putin's and we do have Nazis here too.
We got plenty of our BS to clean up in this country as Ukraine and many others did too.

[E-Balla]

Not sure what you want to tell me here with this phrase.

I think I've been pretty clear there is a global problem with Nazism so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here.

And it is a massive issue now in the U.S. as well as I've already said

But that may be a different discussion than whether or not an invasion is justified.

Russian propaganda was they were liberating Ukraine from the Nazis which is ludicrous. Putin is neither a liberator nor anti-Nazi so as far as a justification for the war it is absolute rubbish.

No one in this thread has done that though. Y'all have tried to pretend there's no significant wave of Nazism in the country though. I caught a week long suspension for posting Reuter articles from 2017 in this thread before let's not play dumb.

That has pretty much nothing to do with the other matter of Nazis having been in the Ukraine prior to the invasion.

Mexico invading America to liberate it from the Nazis is about as reasonable a statement as Putin's and we do have Nazis here too.
We got plenty of our BS to clean up in this country as Ukraine and many others did too.

Uhhh... You got the wrong one if you didn't think I'd be the first person pinning a Mexican flag on my car if this happened. **** America we ain't choose to be here.

[Clyde_Style]

Not sure what you want to tell me here with this phrase.

I think I've been pretty clear there is a global problem with Nazism so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here.

And it is a massive issue now in the U.S. as well as I've already said

But that may be a different discussion than whether or not an invasion is justified.

Russian propaganda was they were liberating Ukraine from the Nazis which is ludicrous. Putin is neither a liberator nor anti-Nazi so as far as a justification for the war it is absolute rubbish.

No one in this thread has done that though. Y'all have tried to pretend there's no significant wave of Nazism in the country though. I caught a week long suspension for posting Reuter articles from 2017 in this thread before let's not play dumb.

That has pretty much nothing to do with the other matter of Nazis having been in the Ukraine prior to the invasion.

Mexico invading America to liberate it from the Nazis is about as reasonable a statement as Putin's and we do have Nazis here too.
We got plenty of our BS to clean up in this country as Ukraine and many others did too.

Uhhh... You got the wrong one if you didn't think I'd be the first person pinning a Mexican flag on my car if this happened. **** America we ain't choose to be here.

Look, this is a discussion that can veer in many directions, but (a) I've stated Nazism is a global issue and (b) Russia was not liberating Ukraine from Nazism which definitely is and was Kremlin sponsored propaganda.

If you want to discuss the existence of Nazism in Ukraine as a subject that's your choice, but the meme that Ukraine was invaded because of Nazis is fake and a lie.

And your antipathies towards either/or Ukraine and America may mean you do not give a crap about an invasion, but that's your personal take unrelated to what was Kremlin propaganda or not. The war is fueled by Putin's fantasy of rebuilding the Soviet Union and Nazism is the flimsiest of pretexts. Putin is as Nazi as they come.

[Zenzibar]

Not sure what you want to tell me here with this phrase.

I think I've been pretty clear there is a global problem with Nazism so I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here.

And it is a massive issue now in the U.S. as well as I've already said

But that may be a different discussion than whether or not an invasion is justified.

Russian propaganda was they were liberating Ukraine from the Nazis which is ludicrous. Putin is neither a liberator nor anti-Nazi so as far as a justification for the war it is absolute rubbish.

No one in this thread has done that though. Y'all have tried to pretend there's no significant wave of Nazism in the country though. I caught a week long suspension for posting Reuter articles from 2017 in this thread before let's not play dumb.

That has pretty much nothing to do with the other matter of Nazis having been in the Ukraine prior to the invasion.

Mexico invading America to liberate it from the Nazis is about as reasonable a statement as Putin's and we do have Nazis here too.
We got plenty of our BS to clean up in this country as Ukraine and many others did too.

Uhhh... You got the wrong one if you didn't think I'd be the first person pinning a Mexican flag on my car if this happened. **** America we ain't choose to be here.

Look, this is a discussion that can veer in many directions, but (a) I've stated Nazism is a global issue and (b) Russia was not liberating Ukraine from Nazism which definitely is and was Kremlin sponsored propaganda.

If you want to discuss the existence of Nazism in Ukraine as a subject that's your choice, but the meme that Ukraine was invaded because of Nazis is fake and a lie.

And your antipathies towards either/or Ukraine and America may mean you do not give a crap about an invasion, but that's your personal take unrelated to what was Kremlin propaganda or not. The war is fueled by Putin's fantasy of rebuilding the Soviet Union and Nazism is the flimsiest of pretexts. Putin is as Nazi as they come.

Would the NATO expansion to Russia's western and possible southern boarders a reason for a pre-emptive attack from their viewpoint?

[Clyde_Style]

No one in this thread has done that though. Y'all have tried to pretend there's no significant wave of Nazism in the country though. I caught a week long suspension for posting Reuter articles from 2017 in this thread before let's not play dumb.


Uhhh... You got the wrong one if you didn't think I'd be the first person pinning a Mexican flag on my car if this happened. **** America we ain't choose to be here.

Look, this is a discussion that can veer in many directions, but (a) I've stated Nazism is a global issue and (b) Russia was not liberating Ukraine from Nazism which definitely is and was Kremlin sponsored propaganda.

If you want to discuss the existence of Nazism in Ukraine as a subject that's your choice, but the meme that Ukraine was invaded because of Nazis is fake and a lie.

And your antipathies towards either/or Ukraine and America may mean you do not give a crap about an invasion, but that's your personal take unrelated to what was Kremlin propaganda or not. The war is fueled by Putin's fantasy of rebuilding the Soviet Union and Nazism is the flimsiest of pretexts. Putin is as Nazi as they come.

Would the NATO expansion to Russia's western and possible southern boarders a reason for a pre-emptive attack from their viewpoint?

your use of the word "reason" has no place in your question though

A country on your border has a right to protect itself through other alliances. That is not expansionist. Anyone arguing that Putin was provoked by NATO has got their own agenda.

but why ask in the first place? Do you really need to provide Putin with some kind of justification or do you need to place the blame on his neighbors for some reason?

Every justification used for the invasion is complete and utter BS. Russia was never endangered by any other nation so these arguments are gross and dishonest.

I find it pretty comical that joining an alliance is being spun as expansionist. Which countries that joined NATO have been expansionist?

I can answer that one. Turkey. They really have no place in NATO IMO

[Jalen Bluntson]

Professor John J. Mearsheimer who is a foreign political Scholar has provided me the most comprehensive understanding of the causes and possible direction of this war. With 28 million views it's very detailed.

However, it may not be what some want to hear, much like the deniers of the read: The Real Story of Thanksgiving: Story of a Massacre 1637. There's always 3-sides of every event.

Watch on YouTube

The real story of Thanksgiving has nothing to do with the Pequot massacre.

[Zenzibar]

Look, this is a discussion that can veer in many directions, but (a) I've stated Nazism is a global issue and (b) Russia was not liberating Ukraine from Nazism which definitely is and was Kremlin sponsored propaganda.

If you want to discuss the existence of Nazism in Ukraine as a subject that's your choice, but the meme that Ukraine was invaded because of Nazis is fake and a lie.

And your antipathies towards either/or Ukraine and America may mean you do not give a crap about an invasion, but that's your personal take unrelated to what was Kremlin propaganda or not. The war is fueled by Putin's fantasy of rebuilding the Soviet Union and Nazism is the flimsiest of pretexts. Putin is as Nazi as they come.

Would the NATO expansion to Russia's western and possible southern boarders a reason for a pre-emptive attack from their viewpoint?

your use of the word "reason" has no place in your question though

A country on your border has a right to protect itself through other alliances. That is not expansionist. Anyone arguing that Putin was provoked by NATO has got their own agenda.

but why ask in the first place? Do you really need to provide Putin with some kind of justification or do you need to place the blame on his neighbors for some reason?

Every justification used for the invasion is complete and utter BS. Russia was never endangered by any other nation so these arguments are gross and dishonest.

I find it pretty comical that joining an alliance is being spun as expansionist. Which countries that joined NATO have been expansionist?

I can answer that one. Turkey. They really have no place in NATO IMO

and We haven't been?

[Zenzibar]

Professor John J. Mearsheimer who is a foreign political Scholar has provided me the most comprehensive understanding of the causes and possible direction of this war. With 28 million views it's very detailed.

However, it may not be what some want to hear, much like the deniers of the read: The Real Story of Thanksgiving: Story of a Massacre 1637. There's always 3-sides of every event.

Watch on YouTube

The real story of Thanksgiving has nothing to do with the Pequot massacre.

Maybe not. But I'm glad someone knows some history.

Was my point that our own history on the world front, including our own here, has been um a little dubious. When I hear scholars teach history, I listen, I've always loved historical perspectives.

[Clyde_Style]

Would the NATO expansion to Russia's western and possible southern boarders a reason for a pre-emptive attack from their viewpoint?

your use of the word "reason" has no place in your question though

A country on your border has a right to protect itself through other alliances. That is not expansionist. Anyone arguing that Putin was provoked by NATO has got their own agenda.

but why ask in the first place? Do you really need to provide Putin with some kind of justification or do you need to place the blame on his neighbors for some reason?

Every justification used for the invasion is complete and utter BS. Russia was never endangered by any other nation so these arguments are gross and dishonest.

I find it pretty comical that joining an alliance is being spun as expansionist. Which countries that joined NATO have been expansionist?

I can answer that one. Turkey. They really have no place in NATO IMO

and We haven't been?

What does your hatred of the American government have to do with justifying Putin's invasion of Ukraine?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Professor John J. Mearsheimer who is a foreign political Scholar has provided me the most comprehensive understanding of the causes and possible direction of this war. With 28 million views it's very detailed.

However, it may not be what some want to hear, much like the deniers of the read: The Real Story of Thanksgiving: Story of a Massacre 1637. There's always 3-sides of every event.

Watch on YouTube

The real story of Thanksgiving has nothing to do with the Pequot massacre.

Maybe not. But I'm glad someone knows some history.

Was my point that our own history on the world front, including our own here, has been um a little dubious. When I hear scholars teach history, I listen, I've always loved historical perspectives.

Thanksgiving was made a national holiday after the civil war. There are stories about the massacre being called a Thanksgiving. Which was a term used a LOT by the British way back when. Lincoln wanted the country to unite after the war and declared the holiday that we now celebrate. There were multiple versions prior to that. It wasn't about celebrating a massacre as some suggest.

You are correct that our history has been distorted though. Things completely left out etc etc. All history is distortion of facts at some point or another. The bible has its issues as well.