OT: Russia-Ukraine War

[Clyde_Style]

I've seen posters spew white supremacist ideology on this website for years with impunity and the mods of those boards always hide behind "attack the idea, not the poster", yet somehow being racist and antisemitic aren't bannable offenses. I remember seeing one dude who had a SuperSonics avatar calling for Jews to be killed in the articles section and the dude is still posting on the GB to this day.

There was definitely a lot of MAGA/white supremacist sympathizing going on from certain mods back in 2016 (not anyone here, talking about the politics forum). I'm not shocked at all you got banned for speaking out.

I only briefly ventured into a couple of the wiretap threads about Kyrie and we both saw the anti-semites out in force there. Their typical tactic is to feign ignorance of what Kanye or Kyrie did that was wrong or to act like their freedom of speech was being violated. They love to play games and act clueless but they know exactly what they are doing.

What is the latest response to Kanye's visit with Alex Jones?

Are they defending him for that too?

I wouldn't know, I'm banned from the Current Events board

I'm glad i am too tbh. It's not worth the time or effort to shout down nazis when they're allowed free reign to spread their murderous ideology

I was banned from the General Board's Current Affairs forum five years ago. Have never gone back to check if that is still in effect. I was telling people the truth back then and they didn't want to hear it. The mods were sympathetic but spineless. They ultimately acted on complaints filed instead of the actual merits.

[Clyde_Style]

Russian propaganda is very effective because they always mix truth in with lies.

Yes, Ukraine has neo nazis. (Truth)

No, the invasion of Ukraine is not about liberating the country from neo nazis. (Lies)

If the Russians tell you that they'll leave Ukraine on peaceful terms today, you can expect missles to rain down on Ukraine tomorrow and blame Ukraine for it happening. Never believe them. They will lie about the time of day just to keep in practice.

Using disinformation, conspiracy theories and provocation to confuse their adversaries has been their playbook dating back to the Cold War.

Yes, mix in some facts in order to tell a greater lie. It preys on the minds of indiscriminate individuals who uncritically pass on whatever social media meme feeds into their bias.

This is how the Kremlin troll factories get Americans to do their bidding.

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Russian Intelligence has had their hands in a lot of cookie jars.

-MAGA

-Brexit and other EU issues in attempt to dissolve NATO, along with propping up far right movements to destabilize the West

-American Gun rights. The NRA is either a willing or unwitting asset of Russian intelligence.

-Antivax/Covid

And also this anti Ukraine sentiment being pushed on both the right and left here in the US. I could go on and on.

These guys are insidious man, they pushed antivax conspiracies on social media so effectively in an attempt to throw the USA into a health crisis that it ended up killing their own people as well and they didn't give a crap. You have to really corroborate stuff you see online.

The Russians created BLM Facebook Groups. They will stop at nothing to manipulate the minds of gullible social media consumers.

[Clyde_Style]

Brittney Griner is free

We traded a convicted Russian arms dealer for her

[MrDollarBills]

Yes, mix in some facts in order to tell a greater lie. It preys on the minds of indiscriminate individuals who uncritically pass on whatever social media meme feeds into their bias.

This is how the Kremlin troll factories get Americans to do their bidding.

.

Russian Intelligence has had their hands in a lot of cookie jars.

-MAGA

-Brexit and other EU issues in attempt to dissolve NATO, along with propping up far right movements to destabilize the West

-American Gun rights. The NRA is either a willing or unwitting asset of Russian intelligence.

-Antivax/Covid

And also this anti Ukraine sentiment being pushed on both the right and left here in the US. I could go on and on.

These guys are insidious man, they pushed antivax conspiracies on social media so effectively in an attempt to throw the USA into a health crisis that it ended up killing their own people as well and they didn't give a crap. You have to really corroborate stuff you see online.

The Russians created BLM Facebook Groups. They will stop at nothing to manipulate the minds of gullible social media consumers.

Yep. They were even setting up rallies in the United States!

They were also behind a fringe movement called ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves) that was pushing anti immigrant rhetoric towards American Born Black people to turn them against African and Caribbean Black folks, along with pushing for Black folks to walk away from the Democratic party. Ice Cube is one of the biggest names that got caught up in that garbage.

They hit you from all angles. Don't get me started on how they were going after folks on the left via Tulsi Gabbard (when she was still pretending to be a Democrat), or guys like Glenn Greenwald who routinely pushes Russian propaganda.

Anything to destabilize the United States is on the table. Anything.

[MrDollarBills]

Brittney Griner is free

We traded a convicted Russian arms dealer for her

I just saw this and I breathed a sigh of relief. Thank God. I was scared for her safety, being a Black LGBTQ woman in a Russian penal colony was a death sentence.

[Clyde_Style]

Russian Intelligence has had their hands in a lot of cookie jars.

-MAGA

-Brexit and other EU issues in attempt to dissolve NATO, along with propping up far right movements to destabilize the West

-American Gun rights. The NRA is either a willing or unwitting asset of Russian intelligence.

-Antivax/Covid

And also this anti Ukraine sentiment being pushed on both the right and left here in the US. I could go on and on.

These guys are insidious man, they pushed antivax conspiracies on social media so effectively in an attempt to throw the USA into a health crisis that it ended up killing their own people as well and they didn't give a crap. You have to really corroborate stuff you see online.

The Russians created BLM Facebook Groups. They will stop at nothing to manipulate the minds of gullible social media consumers.

Yep. They were even setting up rallies in the United States!

They were also behind a fringe movement called ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves) that was pushing anti immigrant rhetoric towards American Born Black people to turn them against African and Caribbean Black folks, along with pushing for Black folks to walk away from the Democratic party. Ice Cube is one of the biggest names that got caught up in that garbage.

They hit you from all angles. Don't get me started on how they were going after folks on the left via Tulsi Gabbard (when she was still pretending to be a Democrat), or guys like Glenn Greenwald who routinely pushes Russian propaganda.

Anything to destabilize the United States is on the table. Anything.

Yeah Tulsi Gabbard was so obvious, but all of the gullible leftists would get all offended five years ago when her obvious Russian sympathies were spelled out. She was basically working for Putin's interests in Syria.

Same Old Chit. You tell them the truth and they go la la la I can't hear you. Three weeks ago we were telling people Kanye is a fascist and then last week he pulls into Mar-A-Lago with Nazi Nick Fuentes and tells Alex Jones he loves Hitler.

Do people listen? Nope. People are generally babies when you refute their BS. Gabbard was a blatant con man and now she's in her Kanye phase going full MAGA (BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SHE ALWAYS WAS).

Same thing with Greenwald. Left leaning people defended him. More egg on their face. People do not listen! They only believe what they want to believe.

And hindsight always reveals who was FOS. When you have people here who were rabid Bernie supporters spouting right wing and Kremlin propaganda you learn who wised up after the fact. I know at least one person here who learned from those mistakes, but most of these guys are either too weak to admit when they mistakenly got in bed with the enemy or they reveal they will aid and abet the enemy in the end like the ones who switch from being extremely left to voting Republican.

Yeah, they were never really far left. They were just emo types who have no convictions other than their need to find something to be outraged over. The world is a non-stop litany of outrages and people act like they're bringing you some kind of special wisdom when they tell you the CIA smuggled heroin or the USA killed innocent people with drones. And then they go vote Republican because they don't really care about those people. They cared more about their righteousness.

[Clyde_Style]

Brittney Griner is free

We traded a convicted Russian arms dealer for her

I just saw this and I breathed a sigh of relief. Thank God. I was scared for her safety, being a Black LGBTQ woman in a Russian penal colony was a death sentence.

It was the right thing to do. You had to give up a bad guy, but we couldn't leave her there. It's a big relief.

[E-Balla]

I've seen posters spew white supremacist ideology on this website for years with impunity and the mods of those boards always hide behind "attack the idea, not the poster", yet somehow being racist and antisemitic aren't bannable offenses. I remember seeing one dude who had a SuperSonics avatar calling for Jews to be killed in the articles section and the dude is still posting on the GB to this day.

There was definitely a lot of MAGA/white supremacist sympathizing going on from certain mods back in 2016 (not anyone here, talking about the politics forum). I'm not shocked at all you got banned for speaking out.

I'll name names too, Fleet was most likely the white supremacist that got me kicked from the Current Events Board right after they decided to lock it for a week and clean out the black posters that were active in the BLM megathread (this was in like 2018 I think) and trex/Paulie Wall were the white supremacists that kicked me from the PC board for calling out the board's favorable modding policies towards blatant racists like Lorak and Dr. Positivity. They were so cowardly they made Clyde PM me to say I was banned because they know Clyde is the only mod on that board that doesn't blatantly favor racist posters.

Wait I got the exact message I sent trex that I think did it:

Being no politics isn't the issue here. Being no politics whenever the topic goes into a poster being bigoted is. Ardee was basically out here justifying the deaths of black men at the hands of the police. If you're not locking the thread when that opinion is given but you're locking the thread when there's responses that you picked a side whether you want to admit it or not. I was a lot more respectful last PM because it was a constructive criticism you were supposed to think on. Now that's it's obvious you haven't thought on it or even looked in the mirror for 2 seconds don't expect that again. Quite frankly the PC board is, and has been for years, a board where bigots can say bigoted things and expect the mods to defend them. You'll roll your eyes at this and act like I'm just the hard headed one but there's a reason ardee felt safe enough to backseat mod knowing he'd never get a warning for it like I did. You'll continue to ignore it though because to you the spread of bigotry is political and not a matter of life and death.

Guess "ally" trex didn't like that

I'm still not even authorized to even read the Current Events board and hilariously enough other non black posters that went harder than me like kyphi (who's a white woman) weren't banned while me and a few other black posters were all cleared out (I'm guessing the Floyd riots changed it into a virtue signaling echo chamber from the same people that kicked all the active black posters and real life activists from the BLM megathread though). I'll say it as cleanly as possible but a lot of mods and posters in here are lucky they can't get touched through a monitor the way they talk and act behind anonymity.

Shoutout to all the non racist mods too. This board is probably the best with that outside of Capn'O who be on that same bull but we got more than enough cool mods around here to override him. The Sebastian Express always got ahead of people trying to get me kicked off the site permanently for calling them racist (apparently Howard sees it as a personal attack even though that poster has been kicked off the site by now for being blatantly racist). And shoutout to Clyde, he was always the man to go to when I racists kept slamming my threads and getting them locked.

[E-Balla]

Brittney Griner is free

We traded a convicted Russian arms dealer for her

I just saw this and I breathed a sigh of relief. Thank God. I was scared for her safety, being a Black LGBTQ woman in a Russian penal colony was a death sentence.

It was the right thing to do. You had to give up a bad guy, but we couldn't leave her there. It's a big relief.

Most likely he's retired as an arms dealer. He's already been replaced and releasing him isn't going to have any sizeable negative impact on anyone. It was a good trade.

If Griner never plays again I understand, but if she hits the court again I'll love it.

[Clyde_Style]

I just saw this and I breathed a sigh of relief. Thank God. I was scared for her safety, being a Black LGBTQ woman in a Russian penal colony was a death sentence.

It was the right thing to do. You had to give up a bad guy, but we couldn't leave her there. It's a big relief.

Most likely he's retired as an arms dealer. He's already been replaced and releasing him isn't going to have any sizeable negative impact on anyone. It was a good trade.

If Griner never plays again I understand, but if she hits the court again I'll love it.

I felt such a huge wave of relief. Her situation in particular really made me sad. I hope she plays again, but it would be understandable if she needs to take care of herself instead. She will probably have some degree of PTSD from her experiences

[E-Balla]

Ok Clyde you and Dollar Bills just said some absolute nonsense so let me clear a few things up...

Yep. They were even setting up rallies in the United States!

They were also behind a fringe movement called ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves) that was pushing anti immigrant rhetoric towards American Born Black people to turn them against African and Caribbean Black folks, along with pushing for Black folks to walk away from the Democratic party. Ice Cube is one of the biggest names that got caught up in that garbage.

This is a total lie. I remember when ADOS started, it was a movement for reparations. It still is a movement for reparations. They were a large part of getting that reparations task force in California created and they're actually out in the community getting work done to make reparations happen. Reparations weren't even a political talking point before them.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/lineage-based-approach-california-reparations-182500138.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANWwBnKWc3hGN-Ig_rff2_YhTaWIoxsfhBPzyIB-Nddk-a8UAfg14pXUK6eFdlYKC2R-zMxNSAPkVI9jFrGY_-UhDTbU0At_dkRT6LWoyQZDS5DPcej5Pb1KQ5L7LIEYqGkC4OF9uAonDKbp7nOHWwKt0vzmLZA9l8qZx5i8Jh9j

Now what is true is that Russian and FBI bots co-opted the movement to attempt to muddy the original purpose of the movement which was to advocate for the American Descendants of Slavery, but by now most of those bad actors have moved on to an offbranch which is the FBA movement. That movement isn't at all tied to ADOS and the fight for reparations. They've done nothing politically to advocate for reparations.

Also ADOS doesn't advocate people don't vote Democrat. They advocate people vote Democrat downballot and refrain from voting for any Democrat running for national office that doesn't support reparations. Your whole framing here is irresponsible and incorrect especially since ADOS is an actual group with real leaders you can follow and see what they believe and get done politically for yourself. IDK why ANYONE would be against a group attempting to stop the rapidly deteriorating conditions of the African American community.

And hindsight always reveals who was FOS. When you have people here who were rabid Bernie supporters spouting right wing and Kremlin propaganda you learn who wised up after the fact. I know at least one person here who learned from those mistakes, but most of these guys are either too weak to admit when they mistakenly got in bed with the enemy or they reveal they will aid and abet the enemy in the end like the ones who switch from being extremely left to voting Republican.

Yeah, they were never really far left. They were just emo types who have no convictions other than their need to find something to be outraged over. The world is a non-stop litany of outrages and people act like they're bringing you some kind of special wisdom when they tell you the CIA smuggled heroin or the USA killed innocent people with drones. And then they go vote Republican because they don't really care about those people. They cared more about their righteousness.

You're not wrong about the Bernie Bros (if y'all remember 2016 you know I have no love for them) but you are wrong for characterizing them as Trump voters. We all know most voted Jill Stein or bit the bullet for Hillary anyway. Blaming her loss on them as opposed to Hillary being a uniquely bad candidate always made about as much sense as Bernie fans blaming the DNC for their losses and not his terrible ran campaign led by a campaign staff best known for being twitter trolls.

[E-Balla]

Also there's so much talk about Russian bots, not enough about FBI bots. We're the most propagandized country ever. We have the greatest technological and military strength the world has ever seen. The US government is the largest media outlet ever. When it comes to a lot of things we accept as fact in America most of the rest of the world (excluding the "West") thinks we're absolutely insane.

I mean hell this thread is 96 pages, how many pages is the thread on America invading African countries and declaring war on "Russian misinformation in Africa"? Exactly. Remember the Russian bots are one issue, but the more pressing issue is how much the US government is hiding from us.

[Clyde_Style]

Ok Clyde you and Dollar Bills just said some absolute nonsense so let me clear a few things up...

Yep. They were even setting up rallies in the United States!

They were also behind a fringe movement called ADOS (American Descendants of Slaves) that was pushing anti immigrant rhetoric towards American Born Black people to turn them against African and Caribbean Black folks, along with pushing for Black folks to walk away from the Democratic party. Ice Cube is one of the biggest names that got caught up in that garbage.

This is a total lie. I remember when ADOS started, it was a movement for reparations. It still is a movement for reparations. They were a large part of getting that reparations task force in California created and they're actually out in the community getting work done to make reparations happen. Reparations weren't even a political talking point before them.

https://www.yahoo.com/video/lineage-based-approach-california-reparations-182500138.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANWwBnKWc3hGN-Ig_rff2_YhTaWIoxsfhBPzyIB-Nddk-a8UAfg14pXUK6eFdlYKC2R-zMxNSAPkVI9jFrGY_-UhDTbU0At_dkRT6LWoyQZDS5DPcej5Pb1KQ5L7LIEYqGkC4OF9uAonDKbp7nOHWwKt0vzmLZA9l8qZx5i8Jh9j

Now what is true is that Russian and FBI bots co-opted the movement to attempt to muddy the original purpose of the movement which was to advocate for the American Descendants of Slavery, but by now most of those bad actors have moved on to an offbranch which is the FBA movement. That movement isn't at all tied to ADOS and the fight for reparations. They've done nothing politically to advocate for reparations.

Also ADOS doesn't advocate people don't vote Democrat. They advocate people vote Democrat downballot and refrain from voting for any Democrat running for national office that doesn't support reparations. Your whole framing here is irresponsible and incorrect especially since ADOS is an actual group with real leaders you can follow and see what they believe and get done politically for yourself. IDK why ANYONE would be against a group attempting to stop the rapidly deteriorating conditions of the African American community.

And hindsight always reveals who was FOS. When you have people here who were rabid Bernie supporters spouting right wing and Kremlin propaganda you learn who wised up after the fact. I know at least one person here who learned from those mistakes, but most of these guys are either too weak to admit when they mistakenly got in bed with the enemy or they reveal they will aid and abet the enemy in the end like the ones who switch from being extremely left to voting Republican.

Yeah, they were never really far left. They were just emo types who have no convictions other than their need to find something to be outraged over. The world is a non-stop litany of outrages and people act like they're bringing you some kind of special wisdom when they tell you the CIA smuggled heroin or the USA killed innocent people with drones. And then they go vote Republican because they don't really care about those people. They cared more about their righteousness.

You're not wrong about the Bernie Bros (if y'all remember 2016 you know I have no love for them) but you are wrong for characterizing them as Trump voters. We all know most voted Jill Stein or bit the bullet for Hillary anyway. Blaming her loss on them as opposed to Hillary being a uniquely bad candidate always made about as much sense as Bernie fans blaming the DNC for their losses and not his terrible ran campaign led by a campaign staff best known for being twitter trolls.

I'm talking about people switching in 2020 and 2022, not 2016 though. Not calling any of them Trump voters. As far as the loss in 2016 goes all I'll say about Hillary is regardless of our own individual opinions about her she was the target of decades of GOP brainwashing against her which is what they do against women they feel are a threat to their power. She had her flaws, but she was also experienced and would have been competent when Trump is nothing of the sort. What flipped the vote in the end was Comey who pulled the biggest dick move of all time. He's an idiot and it did cost her the election if you're going to identify any one pivot point that accounts for the margin of difference in losing the electoral college.

People tried to do election denialism in 2020 and 2022, but if you wanted to investigate actual election irregularities I'd look at the 2016 election. There were many red flags. It was decided by very small margins that were precisely the same in each state she normally would have won. It was fishy and Bannon told Manafort this was what was going to happen a week beforehand. But I'm not going to dig up dead bodies now any more than I'm going fishing for hanging chads in Florida.

The Bernie Bro thing was kind of sad, because people really took the energy that was unleashed there and some of them used it to behave just like their counterparts on the alt right. Pot calling the kettle black type of behavior. Not a good look generally though not every Bernie supporter can be lumped in with them.

I clashed with people here when I would point out they were using memes seeded by Russian troll farms to attack the other Democratic candidates in both 2015 and 2019. Overly righteous left wingers and right wingers are suckers for that stuff and they ended up being dupes. Bernie let it go on for too long and by the time he tried to reel people in the whole scene was too out of control for him to influence. But I told people Bernie had a really bad reputation in DC for being hard to deal with when working on legislation so I wasn't really surprised by any of it. In so many years in Congress he had authored relatively little legislation of consequence in part because he's a PITA himself

[E-Balla]

I'm talking about people switching in 2020 and 2022, not 2016 though. Not calling any of them Trump voters. As far as the loss in 2016 goes all I'll say about Hillary is regardless of our own individual opinions about her she was the target of decades of GOP brainwashing against her which is what they do against women they feel are a threat to their power. She had her flaws, but she was also experienced and would have been competent when Trump is nothing of the sort. What flipped the vote in the end was Comey who pulled the biggest dick move of all time. He's an idiot and it did cost her the election if you're going to identify any one pivot point that accounts for the margin of difference in losing the electoral college.

People tried to do election denialism in 2020 and 2022, but if you wanted to investigate actual election irregularities I'd look at the 2016 election. There were many red flags. It was decided by very small margins that were precisely the same in each state she normally would have won. It was fishy and Bannon told Manafort this was what was going to happen a week beforehand. But I'm not going to dig up dead bodies now any more than I'm going fishing for hanging chads in Florida.

Agree with Comey and the fishiness of the 2016 results, disagree with saying the brainwashing against her was a significant factor. People that hate Republicans and love Democrats also hated Hillary. If Biden ran in 2016 I think he easily wins.

The Bernie Bro thing was kind of sad, because people really took the energy that was unleashed there and some of them used it to behave just like their counterparts on the alt right. Pot calling the kettle black type of behavior. Not a good look generally though not every Bernie supporter can be lumped in with them.

I clashed with people here when I would point out they were using memes seeded by Russian troll farms to attack the other Democratic candidates in both 2015 and 2019. Overly righteous left wingers and right wingers are suckers for that stuff and they ended up being dupes. Bernie let it go on for too long and by the time he tried to reel people in the whole scene was too out of control for him to influence. But I told people Bernie had a really bad reputation in DC for being hard to deal with when working on legislation so I wasn't really surprised by any of it. In so many years in Congress he had authored relatively little legislation of consequence in part because he's a PITA himself

Bernie was the **** worst man. One of his directors for black outreach is open on Twitter about how much he refused to attempt to reach out to nonwhite voters and was ignored by the campaign and I remember he was open about thinking he can win with only 30% of the vote.

[MrDollarBills]

E-balla and everyone else, i apologize because I misspoke incorrectly regarding ADOS, I got my signals crossed, and I'll explain shortly.

I was incorrect in saying that they were Russian intel born in nature, and E is correct that they were co-opted by Russian trolls. However, my disdain for ADOS still stands because of the disgusting anti immigrant rhetoric aimed at Black African and Caribbean Immigrants and 1st Gen born children of said immigrants like myself and one of ADOS campaign's targets, VP Kamala Harris. That part i will not back away from because I saw that rhetoric being pushed on twitter by ADOS followers and Black influencers like Tariq Nasheed on twitter in real time.

Where I misspoke is attributing ADOS to Russian propaganda, when it is actually suspected for advancing a far right wing political agenda aimed at non immigrant/immigrant born Black progressive Americans. Per media matters, April 2019:

https://www.mediamatters.org/4chan/what-know-about-ados-group-targeting-black-progressives

There is evidence that ADOS is advancing a right-wing agenda, and while it calls itself progressive, it pushes pro-Trump, anti-immigrant views. ADOS co-founder Yvette Carnell is a board member of right-wing front group Progressives for Immigration Reform (PFIR). PFIR -- which despite its name pushes an anti-immigrant agenda -- has ties to Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), an extremist group run by white nationalist John Tanton. Carnell has claimed that PFIR is a bona fide progressive group despite its anti-immigrant approach. Carnell also uploaded a video to YouTube praising Donald Trump, but deleted it after it began to receive scrutiny from progressive activists, according to a discussion on YouTube channel New Possibilities.

As an investigation of ADOS by Daily Dot explained, “#ADOS has picked up steam online over the past few months. The hashtag has been mostly used to criticize Democratic leaders and publicly attack Black celebrities—like rapper Talib Kweli, actor Yvette Nicole Brown, and radio show hosts Charlamagne Tha God and Roland Martin—and anyone else who the founders believe do not share their vision for reparations. The hashtag also gained traction when it was used to question whether presidential candidate Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)—whose mother is Indian and father is Jamaican—would prioritize the needs of native-born Black people.”

The ADOS website praises President Donald Trump and former President Ronald Reagan for their views on Black America and criticizes former President Barack Obama.

The article goes into a lot more detail if you'd like to read more, but that was what I should have referred to from the beginning. Again my bad, I was wrong about the movement's origins and I don't want to an ass hole putting out misinformation.

[MrDollarBills]

If anyone wants to learn more about misinfo and disinformation that has been persistently targeting Black Americans of all backgrounds since 2015-16, here is a good resource:

https://nbcit.org/cultural-misinformation-and-disinformation/

[MrDollarBills]

I'm talking about people switching in 2020 and 2022, not 2016 though. Not calling any of them Trump voters. As far as the loss in 2016 goes all I'll say about Hillary is regardless of our own individual opinions about her she was the target of decades of GOP brainwashing against her which is what they do against women they feel are a threat to their power. She had her flaws, but she was also experienced and would have been competent when Trump is nothing of the sort. What flipped the vote in the end was Comey who pulled the biggest dick move of all time. He's an idiot and it did cost her the election if you're going to identify any one pivot point that accounts for the margin of difference in losing the electoral college.

People tried to do election denialism in 2020 and 2022, but if you wanted to investigate actual election irregularities I'd look at the 2016 election. There were many red flags. It was decided by very small margins that were precisely the same in each state she normally would have won. It was fishy and Bannon told Manafort this was what was going to happen a week beforehand. But I'm not going to dig up dead bodies now any more than I'm going fishing for hanging chads in Florida.

Agree with Comey and the fishiness of the 2016 results, disagree with saying the brainwashing against her was a significant factor. People that hate Republicans and love Democrats also hated Hillary. If Biden ran in 2016 I think he easily wins.

The Bernie Bro thing was kind of sad, because people really took the energy that was unleashed there and some of them used it to behave just like their counterparts on the alt right. Pot calling the kettle black type of behavior. Not a good look generally though not every Bernie supporter can be lumped in with them.

I clashed with people here when I would point out they were using memes seeded by Russian troll farms to attack the other Democratic candidates in both 2015 and 2019. Overly righteous left wingers and right wingers are suckers for that stuff and they ended up being dupes. Bernie let it go on for too long and by the time he tried to reel people in the whole scene was too out of control for him to influence. But I told people Bernie had a really bad reputation in DC for being hard to deal with when working on legislation so I wasn't really surprised by any of it. In so many years in Congress he had authored relatively little legislation of consequence in part because he's a PITA himself

Bernie was the **** worst man. One of his directors for black outreach is open on Twitter about how much he refused to attempt to reach out to nonwhite voters and was ignored by the campaign and I remember he was open about thinking he can win with only 30% of the vote.

Fam i could go on for days about the filthy stuff surrounding Bernie's campaign and his legion of
followers. Bernie Bros are exactly the type of white liberals that Malcolm X was talking about...the "smiling foxes" who talk a good game but were quick to spew racist dog whistles at Black southerners for going for Joe. I said this in the midterm thread i think, but one of his former aides blocked me for calling her the Candace Owens of the left

That sphere of the left is Blue MAGA as far as I'm concerned. Racist af and they would be willing to let the country burn down if they didn't get their way.

[MrDollarBills]

I just saw this and I breathed a sigh of relief. Thank God. I was scared for her safety, being a Black LGBTQ woman in a Russian penal colony was a death sentence.

It was the right thing to do. You had to give up a bad guy, but we couldn't leave her there. It's a big relief.

Most likely he's retired as an arms dealer. He's already been replaced and releasing him isn't going to have any sizeable negative impact on anyone. It was a good trade.

If Griner never plays again I understand, but if she hits the court again I'll love it.

Brittany is probably going to need thorough psychological care unfortunately, i cannot imagine the trauma of what she went through. I hope she'll be alright, but what happened to her is going to be a lifetime of PTSD from here on out. It makes me sad to even think about what she's feeling on the inside.

It was a good trade because she was a civilian political prisoner. But, as you may have already seen, the racists online are upset that Britt got released while another prisoner, Paul Whelan, who i believe is being held for espionage, wasn't.

I'll leave it to your imagination about the kind stuff that is being said about the gay Black woman being freed over a white man.

[Oscirus]

I'll be in the minority but feels like a bad trade, which only happened cuz of the notoriety. If it was a gay minority woman who wasnt famous, United States wouldnt have done ****.

[MrDollarBills]

I've seen posters spew white supremacist ideology on this website for years with impunity and the mods of those boards always hide behind "attack the idea, not the poster", yet somehow being racist and antisemitic aren't bannable offenses. I remember seeing one dude who had a SuperSonics avatar calling for Jews to be killed in the articles section and the dude is still posting on the GB to this day.

There was definitely a lot of MAGA/white supremacist sympathizing going on from certain mods back in 2016 (not anyone here, talking about the politics forum). I'm not shocked at all you got banned for speaking out.

I'll name names too, Fleet was most likely the white supremacist that got me kicked from the Current Events Board right after they decided to lock it for a week and clean out the black posters that were active in the BLM megathread (this was in like 2018 I think) and trex/Paulie Wall were the white supremacists that kicked me from the PC board for calling out the board's favorable modding policies towards blatant racists like Lorak and Dr. Positivity. They were so cowardly they made Clyde PM me to say I was banned because they know Clyde is the only mod on that board that doesn't blatantly favor racist posters.

Wait I got the exact message I sent trex that I think did it:

Being no politics isn't the issue here. Being no politics whenever the topic goes into a poster being bigoted is. Ardee was basically out here justifying the deaths of black men at the hands of the police. If you're not locking the thread when that opinion is given but you're locking the thread when there's responses that you picked a side whether you want to admit it or not. I was a lot more respectful last PM because it was a constructive criticism you were supposed to think on. Now that's it's obvious you haven't thought on it or even looked in the mirror for 2 seconds don't expect that again. Quite frankly the PC board is, and has been for years, a board where bigots can say bigoted things and expect the mods to defend them. You'll roll your eyes at this and act like I'm just the hard headed one but there's a reason ardee felt safe enough to backseat mod knowing he'd never get a warning for it like I did. You'll continue to ignore it though because to you the spread of bigotry is political and not a matter of life and death.

Guess "ally" trex didn't like that

I'm still not even authorized to even read the Current Events board and hilariously enough other non black posters that went harder than me like kyphi (who's a white woman) weren't banned while me and a few other black posters were all cleared out (I'm guessing the Floyd riots changed it into a virtue signaling echo chamber from the same people that kicked all the active black posters and real life activists from the BLM megathread though). I'll say it as cleanly as possible but a lot of mods and posters in here are lucky they can't get touched through a monitor the way they talk and act behind anonymity.

Shoutout to all the non racist mods too. This board is probably the best with that outside of Capn'O who be on that same bull but we got more than enough cool mods around here to override him. The Sebastian Express always got ahead of people trying to get me kicked off the site permanently for calling them racist (apparently Howard sees it as a personal attack even though that poster has been kicked off the site by now for being blatantly racist). And shoutout to Clyde, he was always the man to go to when I racists kept slamming my threads and getting them locked.

I'm not even surprised. I got banned from the Current events board in 2016 if i recall, during the heat of the election and the sympathizer mods were quick to ban me for bringing the heat to the racists, if one of the mods from the Nets board didn't vouch for me i probably wouldn't even be posting right now

This board's mods have been nothing but gracious to me, an outsider who occasionally popped on here to talk basketball trash , coming on to chill with yall regularly now. I can't speak for other mods on Real GM, but the New York basketball teams mods are solid peeps.

Shout out to the mods that chop it up in the Mass Media section as well about films/tv too