Hawks improved on defense, but struggling to score

Because of what, certainly?
The four other coaches made adjustments, while Nate just followed his initial plan
He decided before the game that Bogi would be limited to 22min, then he played him 22min, but after watching his 12 good minutes, he played him 10 more minutes, even if it was clear that Bogi was out of shape.
A limit of 22min doesn't mean you have to play him 22min, if after 12, he starts to be out of shape, you bench him and take more games to reach these 22min

jayu70 · Post #69 » by **jayu70** » Wed Dec 7, 2022 11:24 pm

The lack of creative offensive punch.
I keep saying I'm not a fan of Nate's coaching style. I'm also not saying I want him fired. I don't want a coaching carousel. But something has got to give. We can't keep having these 4th quarter meltdowns. The predictability of 'Nate' is killing this team.

Speaking of that coaching change, Nate McMillan was the greatest beneficiary of that 2021 run. He inherited, first and foremost, a healthy roster that Lloyd Pierce never enjoyed. Things took off from there. He was rewarded with a four-year contract, but Atlanta's play after that postseason run has never validated McMillan as a true difference-maker. At some point, he will have to answer for that aforementioned bottom-10 offense, a ranking that should be nearly impossible with Young at the helm.

Travis Schlenk, perhaps, didn't do McMillan any favors by trading Kevin Huerter, who has shot the lights out from deep this season in Sacramento. With Bogdan Bogdanovic sidelined until recently, Murray not being a 3-point guy, and Young making fewer than 30 percent of his triples, the Hawks are low on shooting. As a percentage of their shot diet, which is an analytical nightmare, the Hawks take and make the fewest 3s in the league. Only the Bulls rely on making more midrange shots per game.

I've said before - you have to move Trae off-ball with PURPOSE and INTENTION - not just move to move.

It's hard to even say McMillan has instituted any kind of offensive system. Any shot the Hawks get is a result of individual creation, almost entirely by either Young or Murray. The Hawks make the fewest passes per game in the league by a wide margin, and their off-ball movement is virtually nonexistent. Young still hasn't committed to that aspect of his game, and that's on him, but to be fair McMillan hasn't implemented the kind of impromptu screening and cutting culture required to make the movement of a player like Young consistently worthwhile. It takes everyone working together and in anticipation to free up a shooter, not just one guy running around.

To be fair, the Hawks finished with the No. 2 offense last season playing largely the same way, ..........but the your-turn-my-turn creation philosophy with Young and Murray feels positively pick-upish. There needs to be a system that can create shots for the shot creators.

McMillan has not proven he's the guy to institute that kind of thing, either because he doesn't believe in such an offense, lacks the creativity to put it in play, or can't get the players, specifically Young, who's used to controlling everything with the ball in his hands, to buy into such a change

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/trae-young-gives-hawks-a-punchers-chance-now-but-their-real-window-should-open-in-a-few-years/amp/

D21 · Post #70 » by **D21** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 2:47 am

jayu70 wrote:...
Speaking of that coaching change, Nate McMillan was the greatest beneficiary of that 2021 run. He inherited, first and foremost, a healthy roster that Lloyd Pierce never enjoyed. Things took off from there.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/trae-young-gives-hawks-a-punchers-chance-now-but-their-real-window-should-open-in-a-few-years/amp/

Most things are true, but this one is not correct: the roster was not healthy once Nate took the head coach job.
Healthier, maybe, but not healthy: Bogi had to drive the team for almost a month because Trae was injured, Collins was injured too in the last weeks of regular season, Hunter was injured and only played the NYK series, Cam and Dunn came back in ECF, Bogi was playing injured in playoffs,...

Geaux_Hawks · Post #71 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 4:20 am

jayu70 wrote:The lack of creative offensive punch.
I keep saying I'm not a fan of Nate's coaching style. I'm also not saying I want him fired. I don't want a coaching carousel. But something has got to give. We can't keep having these 4th quarter meltdowns. The predictability of 'Nate' is killing this team.
Speaking of that coaching change, Nate McMillan was the greatest beneficiary of that 2021 run. He inherited, first and foremost, a healthy roster that Lloyd Pierce never enjoyed. Things took off from there. He was rewarded with a four-year contract, but Atlanta's play after that postseason run has never validated McMillan as a true difference-maker. At some point, he will have to answer for that aforementioned bottom-10 offense, a ranking that should be nearly impossible with Young at the helm.

Travis Schlenk, perhaps, didn't do McMillan any favors by trading Kevin Huerter, who has shot the lights out from deep this season in Sacramento. With Bogdan Bogdanovic sidelined until recently, Murray not being a 3-point guy, and Young making fewer than 30 percent of his triples, the Hawks are low on shooting. As a percentage of their shot diet, which is an analytical nightmare, the Hawks take and make the fewest 3s in the league. Only the Bulls rely on making more midrange shots per game.

I've said before - you have to move Trae off-ball with PURPOSE and INTENTION - not just move to move.
It's hard to even say McMillan has instituted any kind of offensive system. Any shot the Hawks get is a result of individual creation, almost entirely by either Young or Murray. The Hawks make the fewest passes per game in the league by a wide margin, and their off-ball movement is virtually nonexistent. Young still hasn't committed to that aspect of his game, and that's on him, but to be fair McMillan hasn't implemented the kind of impromptu screening and cutting culture required to make the movement of a player like Young consistently worthwhile. It takes everyone working together and in anticipation to free up a shooter, not just one guy running around.

To be fair, the Hawks finished with the No. 2 offense last season playing largely the same way, ..........but the your-turn-my-turn creation philosophy with Young and Murray feels positively pick-upish. There needs to be a system that can create shots for the shot creators.

McMillan has not proven he's the guy to institute that kind of thing, either because he doesn't believe in such an offense, lacks the creativity to put it in play, or can't get the players, specifically Young, who's used to controlling everything with the ball in his hands, to buy into such a change

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/trae-young-gives-hawks-a-punchers-chance-now-but-their-real-window-should-open-in-a-few-years/amp/

I'm with you on not wanting a carousel, but I think i'm definitely ready for Nate to move on. It's become painfully obvious that we relied solely on our individual talent, and Trae's struggles on top of not having the offensive talents(shooting mostly) of Huerter and Gallo is showing how poorly Nate is at creating offense. It's literally relying on a singular individual collapsing a defense and making the right decision to either make a shot or find an open man.

jayu70 · Post #72 » by **jayu70** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 4:21 am

Who is the Hawks shooting coach? We might be missing Chris Jent.
Korver is 'coaching' on 3pt shooting. What is he doing that's not working?

jayu70 · Post #73 » by **jayu70** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 3:27 pm

After 25 games, our 3pt shooting:

After 25 games from 3:

Trae - 28.9% (7.2 attempts)

DJ - 36.6% (5.8 attempts)

Hunter - 35.4% (3.8 attempts)

JC - 21.9% (3.3 attempts)

AJ - 35.5% (4.4 attempts)

OO - 0% (3 total attempts)

Bogi - 23.1% (8.7 attempts, 26 total attempts in 3 games)

JJ - 22.6% (1.3 attempts, 31 total attempts)

JHol - 35.2% (3.7 attempts)

AHol - 42.6% (1.6 attempts)

Vit - 35.7% (14 total attempts)

Culver - 11.1% (9 total attempts)

Kaminsky - 50% (6 total attempts)

Post #74 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:12 am

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Post #76 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:13 pm

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Post #77 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 1:15 pm

Trae Young has made 10 of his last 54 three pointers attempts. It's handicapping our team. I wish I knew how many points our opponents have scored from Trae's misses. If anybody else on our team shot the way he has it wouldn't be acceptable.

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graymule · Post #78 » by **graymule** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:22 am

Griffin has been doing well on offense. Bogie is back! Trae has FINALLY started to look like
he should. Hawks just beat the worst team in the NBA. Three starters still out. Hoping
that things improve a lot when they get back.

:nod:

Post #79 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 1:57 am

Off ball movement has improved since Bogdan came back.

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Post #80 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:49 pm

Love these breakdowns.

This one is damning...

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