Official Zion thread

bigboi · Post #1 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 4:00 am

Yeah, baby LeShaq needs a thread. I think this dude will be the best player in the league. Yes, over Giannis and Luka. After this stretch, he’s looking like Duke Zion, he’s a jumpshot away from being a damn near flawless player. The motor is back and defense is back. This is what we needed

MyUniBroDavis · Post #2 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 11:26 am

bigboi wrote:Yeah, baby LeShaq needs a thread. I think this dude will be the best player in the league. Yes, over Giannis and Luka. After this stretch, he’s looking like Duke Zion, he’s a jumpshot away from being a damn near flawless player. The motor is back and defense is back. This is what we needed

Damn I didn’t realize how dominant they’ve been since he’s been on the court

I’ll start watching Pelicans games soon again I was kinda disheartened with how he started the season, outside of the 45 point win vs gsw where he rested he’s been hitting 26-10-5 on 67.5% from the field, and they’ve been dominant. Nice to see the boi thriving.

Dutchball97 · Post #3 » by **Dutchball97** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 11:47 am

Right now Zion is in a similar situation to the likes of Embiid, AD and Kawhi. Any of them have the potential to be the best player on the floor on any given day but making it to the court in the first place has continued to be a problem.

Eagle4 · Post #4 » by **Eagle4** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 1:47 pm

Agreed on the sentiment of Duke Zion being back. Just an exciting player when he's engaged on both offense and defense AND also crashing the boards(especially the quick jump OREBs)

Heej · Post #5 » by **Heej** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 5:59 pm

Just wanna say in regards to Zion. He's just a little bit better at every aspect of basketball (sans shooting and finishing with his right hand) than people realize. That's what makes him so special. His all around game is VERY polished. Great IQ, handles, passing, help D, and rebounding. He's anywhere from very good/great to elite in all of those aspects. And above all it's his IQ that I think gets underrated by folks thinking he's just a one dimensional God tier athlete. It's the IQ and athleticism that seals the deal with him

BuddyBuckets · Post #6 » by **BuddyBuckets** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 6:09 pm

He makes extremely difficult things look easy, that's another aspect of his game I'm appreciating more lately.

70sFan · Post #7 » by **70sFan** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 6:15 pm

Heej wrote:Just wanna say in regards to Zion. He's just a little bit better at every aspect of basketball (sans shooting and finishing with his right hand) than people realize. That's what makes him so special. His all around game is VERY polished. Great IQ, handles, passing, help D, and rebounding. He's anywhere from very good/great to elite in all of those aspects. And above all it's his IQ that I think gets underrated by folks thinking he's just a one dimensional God tier athlete. It's the IQ and athleticism that seals the deal with him

It's typical for people to underestimate athletic freaks BBIQ. The same thing happened with Shaq and Wilt, a lot of people assume they dominated strictly because of their size and strength. Hell, a lot of people couldn't realize how smart LeBron was even in the early 2010s...

bigboi · Post #8 » by **bigboi** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 8:30 pm

Thing that I like most about Zion is that honestly, his game isn't even really a high flyer game. He has extremely good footwork, knows how to use his bodywork, and insane body control. It's really Kyrie/DRose like in terms of how he can contort his body with extreme english and soft touch.

Heej · Post #9 » by **Heej** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 8:37 pm

70sFan wrote:
Heej wrote:Just wanna say in regards to Zion. He's just a little bit better at every aspect of basketball (sans shooting and finishing with his right hand) than people realize. That's what makes him so special. His all around game is VERY polished. Great IQ, handles, passing, help D, and rebounding. He's anywhere from very good/great to elite in all of those aspects. And above all it's his IQ that I think gets underrated by folks thinking he's just a one dimensional God tier athlete. It's the IQ and athleticism that seals the deal with him

It's typical for people to underestimate athletic freaks BBIQ. The same thing happened with Shaq and Wilt, a lot of people assume they dominated strictly because of their size and strength. Hell, a lot of people couldn't realize how smart LeBron was even in the early 2010s...

Yupp which is what surprises me because IQ will always be the single most important trait in basketball. There's just no way for someone to be a superstar with low IQ for the game. If athleticism was all it took then Javale would've been all time

LukaTheGOAT · Post #10 » by **LukaTheGOAT** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 9:15 pm

Read on Twitter

falcolombardi · Post #11 » by **falcolombardi** » Sat Dec 3, 2022 9:34 pm

Heej wrote:
70sFan wrote:
Heej wrote:Just wanna say in regards to Zion. He's just a little bit better at every aspect of basketball (sans shooting and finishing with his right hand) than people realize. That's what makes him so special. His all around game is VERY polished. Great IQ, handles, passing, help D, and rebounding. He's anywhere from very good/great to elite in all of those aspects. And above all it's his IQ that I think gets underrated by folks thinking he's just a one dimensional God tier athlete. It's the IQ and athleticism that seals the deal with him

It's typical for people to underestimate athletic freaks BBIQ. The same thing happened with Shaq and Wilt, a lot of people assume they dominated strictly because of their size and strength. Hell, a lot of people couldn't realize how smart LeBron was even in the early 2010s...

Yupp which is what surprises me because IQ will always be the single most important trait in basketball. There's just no way for someone to be a superstar with low IQ for the game. If athleticism was all it took then Javale would've been all time

People are prone to "balance players"

Those who are less athletic (or are white, lets be honest here about racist biases) are more likely to havr people focus on their passing and basketball IQ

While those more athletic arr likely to have people focus just on the athletism

Jeremy lin story is exemplar of this, teams passed on him cause they assumed he was a high iq unathletic guard when he was actually one of the most athletic players out there coming off college. It caused daryl morey to ban scouts from comparing prospects with players of the same race

Eagle4 · Post #12 » by **Eagle4** » Sun Dec 4, 2022 12:32 am

LukaTheGOAT wrote:

Read on Twitter

Zion at the top.

bigboi · Post #13 » by **bigboi** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 12:01 am

Might be controversial but think Pels should trade both CJ and Ingram. Try to secure an elite PG or SG. Trey Murphy Lowkey looks like a 20 ppg scorer and he fits perfectly with Zion

evilpimp972 · Post #14 » by **evilpimp972** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 6:59 am

bigboi wrote:Might be controversial but think Pels should trade both CJ and Ingram. Try to secure an elite PG or SG. Trey Murphy Lowkey looks like a 20 ppg scorer and he fits perfectly with Zion

Why would they do that to bring another PG that's going to take the ball out of Zion hands?

Ein Sof · Post #15 » by **Ein Sof** » Mon Dec 5, 2022 10:48 pm

Efficient 25 ppg scorer. Not much to write home about, considering all the hype.

bigboi · Post #16 » by **bigboi** » Wed Dec 7, 2022 7:08 pm

Ein Sof wrote:Efficient 25 ppg scorer. Not much to write home about, considering all the hype.

Well, you’re wrong. He’s on pace to be one of the most efficient players ever and he’s already proven to be a 27+ ppg scorer. Without the slow start, he’d probably be around 27/7/5 on damn near 65-70% TS. Simply put, he will be a top 5 player within a year’s time

bigboi · Post #17 » by **bigboi** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 6:52 am

Friday will be a statement game. If Zion plays well and Pels win, MVP campaign for sure. Dude has a chance to average over 25 again with 60%+ FG again…. Would be the only player to do that in history

Ein Sof · Post #18 » by **Ein Sof** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 10:27 am

bigboi wrote:Might be controversial but think Pels should trade both CJ and Ingram. Try to secure an elite PG or SG. Trey Murphy Lowkey looks like a 20 ppg scorer and he fits perfectly with Zion

Yeah they're doing so badly with these guys. Better blow the team up

Post #19 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 11:11 am

The play he had tonight where he was completely wrapped up by the Pistons on a fast break and he just layed it in like no one was there.. :lol:

Last 7 games( basically since returning from the bad fall, aside from the game where he barely played in a 45 point win over Golden State:

26.6/9.3/5 with 1.7 steals, 1.3 blocks, 3 turnovers and 65.5% free throw shooting, and fantastic defense. (+9.4 per game)

He's shot over 77% 3 times this season, and shot under 50% just twice. Efficiency animal.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #20 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Dec 8, 2022 4:03 pm

bigboi wrote:Might be controversial but think Pels should trade both CJ and Ingram. Try to secure an elite PG or SG. Trey Murphy Lowkey looks like a 20 ppg scorer and he fits perfectly with Zion

i don't really disagree, but honestly, Daniels and Alvardo are the perfect lead guards to play with him. the defer to him and they defend. spot up shooting and defense are all he needs. granted, he does have to come out of the game sometimes, but it seems with jonas, naji, nance, alvarado, murphy, etc - you have plenty of guys who can create offense for short stretches.

i think the issue would be zion's health - you need ingram and cj in case he has another long term injury. it would be best if ingram and cj could bring themselves to defer to him and just be spot up shooters when they are in the game with him.