The Number 9 wrote:buzzkilloton wrote:Ivey-15.5ppg 4.6trb 4apg 2.7to 31%3pt 4.7 3pa 41% fg 31.1mins
ryDSJ15.2ppg 3.8trb 5.2apg 2.8to 31%3pt 4.93pa 39.5fg 29.7 mins
Literally identical. Wade didnt even shoot the 3pter as a rookie. He was not a inefficient chucker.
I actually can forsee us doing the same thing with Ivey the Mavs did with DSJ. Trade him in a package to get a talented vet like Porzingis. DSJ was a bad fit with Luka and Iveys offball play is a bad fit with Cade.
I don't think anybody here is saying Ivey has been good lately. But, as he is just a rookie, and not a bad one (most rookies struggle in their 1st years), I'm not really worried.
Maybe he will turn out to be just a DSJ type of player (I'm pretty sure this won't be the case, but my opinion is as valid as yours for the moment), but there's still lot of time to find out, you can't give up on a rookie that soon. And, as Hayes showed us the last few weeks, all rookies grow at their on pace, for some it needs more time.
Right now, I'm not bothered the young players missed the money time if they are not good. Later in the season, we'll see where we at and maybe the leash will be bigger, but now they can learn why they are not on the flour and what they don't do right.
+100
I can't help but think that the hate on Ivey is as much a result of Killian's success as it is about Ivey's struggles.
As nonsensical as that probably sounds on the surface I'm talking about the fact that given Killian making it nigh impossible to be the designated whipping boy here. Folks apparently need someone to throw into the trash and Ivey's recent struggles are the lowest hanging fruit at the moment.
It doesn't matter that Ivey has played only a third of an nba season.
It doesn't matter that he has innate athletic ability that can't be learned and that it has already shown to lead to being a productive nba player.
It doesn't matter that he's probably the 3rd-best performing rookie currently which means he's theoretically outplaying his draft position.
Some folks here have already reached out and formed an opinion; comparing him already to DSJ and are talking about shipping him away.
Given how folks have rubber-stamped the futures of other players here with little to no body of work I have no doubt we'll now have endless fruitless circular discussions about this in the coming years; with folks refusing all forms of reasoning and evidence to the contrary.
Mathurin has become the grass is greener flavor of the month because he wasn't drafted here and happens to be the singular player drafted later that is outperforming Ivey.
He will likely be brought up over and over and over again. The rallying cry for the discontented.
It doesn’t matter that for the most part that Ivey has played exactly to reasonable expectations.
It doesn't matter that for all but the rarest of exceptions that all rookies experience struggles and periods of learning that are actually greatly beneficial towards long-term career growth.
Some folks here won't ever be happy unless things would have worked exactly perfectly in the draft
Scratch that. Who are we kidding. Those same folks would still then probably be talking then about trading the kid for a more win-now player to eke out a few more meaningless wins this season.
You know who you are. We all do.
