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Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET

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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#181 » by phillynative » Wed Dec 7, 2022 8:16 am

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This is the biggest problem.

Both Harden and Embiid are slow and want to take shots.

Biid often sets a weak screen and rarely rolls to the basket. He is more perimeter oriented as a scorer than Jokic.

Since he sets a weak screen, Harden can’t get good separation to the defense. And since Biid wont roll, Biid can’t collapse the defense and pull the defenders to him.

Not always but its quite often this season, Biid set weak screen, go to the elbow and ask for the ball.

What option does Harden has?

And when Harden gets to the paint, there’s no lob threat that can suck the defense away from him like a trae young to a capella. Its also a lot tougher to pass the ball to embiid if he’s at the dunker spot not jumping for lobs

This is kind of like having Steve Nash play pick and roll with Shaq or Kurt Thomas


That ones on Harden imo. Embiid made pretty solid contact but Harden needs to come off the screen with more purpose to attack the big. Without any urgency, the screen is essentially pointless.

I think one issue might be that both players like to attack from the left side of the floor, which can make their PnR a little too predictable. Harden can’t attack the paint with his right hand so you can play the pass and just contest his step back.


That's pretty bad for an vet elite playmaker and an
vet elite offensive player. Wtf
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#182 » by Bum Adebayo » Wed Dec 7, 2022 10:37 am

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Bum Adebayo wrote:The blueprint to win has always been the same: first you need to surround Embiid with shooters. Then you just give the ball to Embiid and move out of his way, the other players just need to get ready to catch and shoot, let Embiid work his magic with good spacing and I guarantee you this is a championship caliber team instead of the 2nd round fodder garbage we're used to all these years.
Washed up James Soften shooting 4/19 is a guaranteed failure, he needs to learn how to catch and shoot or get the FOH.
Maxey can't defend a chair so he needs to come off the bench
The rest all useless except maybe Melton I like him.


Thats why you can’t win. You play this way and its very predictable for the defense while you overload Biid to be a god on offense to handle all the traps and double team thats why he turns the ball over too much and he’s exhausted on defense or for future games.

In crunch time the rox knew biid likes to kick it out to melton so they covered that. Biid has to throw it to Tobi at the corner and thats a high TO pass

You have 4 scorers. Why dont you maximize it by running collective dribble drive than reducing guys like Maxey or Harden be spot up shooters this is very similar to when Celts was struggling on offense with Tatum and Brown taking turns on ISO


He turns the ball over because there is no spacing. With good spacing he would rack up assists andkick it out to catch and shoot players.
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#183 » by 76ciology » Wed Dec 7, 2022 2:00 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:The blueprint to win has always been the same: first you need to surround Embiid with shooters. Then you just give the ball to Embiid and move out of his way, the other players just need to get ready to catch and shoot, let Embiid work his magic with good spacing and I guarantee you this is a championship caliber team instead of the 2nd round fodder garbage we're used to all these years.
Washed up James Soften shooting 4/19 is a guaranteed failure, he needs to learn how to catch and shoot or get the FOH.
Maxey can't defend a chair so he needs to come off the bench
The rest all useless except maybe Melton I like him.


Thats why you can’t win. You play this way and its very predictable for the defense while you overload Biid to be a god on offense to handle all the traps and double team thats why he turns the ball over too much and he’s exhausted on defense or for future games.

In crunch time the rox knew biid likes to kick it out to melton so they covered that. Biid has to throw it to Tobi at the corner and thats a high TO pass

You have 4 scorers. Why dont you maximize it by running collective dribble drive than reducing guys like Maxey or Harden be spot up shooters this is very similar to when Celts was struggling on offense with Tatum and Brown taking turns on ISO


He turns the ball over because there is no spacing. With good spacing he would rack up assists andkick it out to catch and shoot players.


How much spacing does he need? He’s got more spacing than atleast most other superstars, and its leading to a lack of size at the 3-4 positions because we focus too much on 3pt shooting.

The problem is its very predictable and very slow.

Harden-Biid PnR. Biid sets a weak screen. Asks the ball at the LEFT elbow. Biid pump fake no jump. Do a hesi and take a jumper. If double, he will primarily look to kick it out to the upper right side or top of the key (maxey likes this) of the 3pt arc.

When we play the Raps, they’d even sometimes trap Biid to kick it out to a spot and player where they can easily close out that would reset the offense.

Sixers have to realize 4 things.
- this 90s offense style of 4 out offense where point of attack CENTRIC from the elbow ISO or at the post is obsolete
- teams are longer nowadays, i havent seen this much teams playing double big for quite some time (hell even Pistons had Bogdanovic-Stewart-Bagley at the 3-4-5)
- teams are more advanced with their switching, trapping and rotations
- Embiid is a great scorer but he’s not a good playmaker down the stretch against top teams when teams dont play gimmick defense in scheme & length

Even Mavs have to insert THJ and Dinwiddie because they were getting too predictable with high usage offense with Luka.
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#184 » by 76ciology » Wed Dec 7, 2022 2:54 pm

You need to create chaos for the defense and make them scramble. You have 5 guys who can shoot. 4 of which are 20ppg triple threat guys. 2 elite ISO scorers.

And you are running an offense like it’s Shaq posting up and kicking it out to Rick Fox, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Sasha Vujacic all standing around the arc.

This is not even 2020. Its 2022.
Wake up.

Where’s the pace?
Where’s the ball movement?
Where’s the player movement?

Let us make Brett Brown proud :lol:
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#185 » by Mik317 » Wed Dec 7, 2022 2:58 pm

spacing is more than just shooting %.

Its movement, its speed, its vertical. Team can cheat off of most of our shooters because they can recover and they are also stationary and gun shy. They don't give a **** about who ever is in the post that isn't Embiid because they will be swallowed up easily. We get a play with Thybulle crashing to the rim for an easy lob ever so often because he is one of the better vertical athletes on the team for example. Tried to run something similar w/ PJ and it went nowhere.

they were stupid ass passes by Embiid but a large part of it was that the team doesn't move at all sometimes and the passing lanes are clogged and predictable.

This is where good coaching comes into play IMO.
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#186 » by Eyeamok » Thu Dec 8, 2022 2:44 pm

Misery loves company. The Clippers lost to the Magic in OT last night. Leonard and George both played 30 minutes or more. Didn't the 76ers B Team just beat the Magic back to back. Like I said misery loves company. On a side note Bol Bol is low-key becoming my favorite player to watch.
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#187 » by 76ciology » Thu Dec 8, 2022 6:06 pm

I dont know if i just missed Sixers basketball. But I just watched the game again and it wasn’t that bad that i have to delete some post i had which i found to be overreaction.

Down the stretch, we could have played better but we also show some good things like getting stops and biid hitting elbow shots (after TO) Harden step back at upper right corner (after TO) Harden also got a very good look off the screen to win us the game.

Rox were getting favorable calls from those drives from KPJ and Jalen Green. Rox weren’t supposed to be in the game down the line if we didn’t give them extra possessions off TOs and ORebs.
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Re: Game 24 - Sixers at Rockets 8pm ET 

Post#188 » by 76ciology » Thu Dec 8, 2022 6:09 pm

Eyeamok wrote:Misery loves company. The Clippers lost to the Magic in OT last night. Leonard and George both played 30 minutes or more. Didn't the 76ers B Team just beat the Magic back to back. Like I said misery loves company. On a side note Bol Bol is low-key becoming my favorite player to watch.


U should watch the Warriors-Jazz game. I closed the game after JC got a flagrant 2 and after an hour I was surprised they pulled a big upset over the Warriors lol

Rooting for the Magic with Fultz, Wagner and Bolbol.



I also love watching that Jazz team playing beautiful basketball and while monitoring Kessler.
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