Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[minimus]

What type of package (pre-Rudy trade) could've we offered Indiana for Turner?

I really really like Turner...

Maybe Beasley Vanderbilt + picks?

I will add some context

1) Turner has last year of contract, so any team that trade for him, needs to be sure that they can keep him. With high probability he will get around 100mil/4yr extension
2) he played only 42 and 47 games in last two seasons
3) he complained about playing time and touches

[minimus]

One CBA related question: both Reid and Nowell are RFA. Does it mean that we cant use them in sign-and-trade scenarios?

For instance, Naz Reid signs 27/3 contract with us and will be traded to CHI for Caruso.

[shrink]

One CBA related question: both Reid and Nowell are RFA. Does it mean that we cant use them in sign-and-trade scenarios?

For instance, Naz Reid signs 27/3 contract with us and will be traded to CHI for Caruso.

Trade them now with an extension? Poison pill makes it difficult. Probably better to trade them without an extension, and let the other team decide whether to extend or offer a new contract next summer with the Bird rights they inherited.

Trade them next summer? Yes, but the team that we trade them to would have to offer the biggest salary so they’d agree to sign, and since they aren’t getting paid much (Naz for sure), most teams would just sign the UFA’s themselves. Not much trade value.

[minimus]

One CBA related question: both Reid and Nowell are RFA. Does it mean that we cant use them in sign-and-trade scenarios?

For instance, Naz Reid signs 27/3 contract with us and will be traded to CHI for Caruso.

Trade them now with an extension? Poison pill makes it difficult. Probably better to trade them without an extension, and let the other team decide whether to extend or offer a new contract next summer with the Bird rights they inherited.

Trade them next summer? Yes, but the team that we trade them to would have to offer the biggest salary so they’d agree to sign, and since they aren’t getting paid much (Naz for sure), most teams would just sign the UFA’s themselves. Not much trade value.

Thank you! My idea is since I dont want to trade neither Anderson and Prince, we dont have other contracts that can be thrown as salary filler 10-13mil. So I wondered whether we can sign either Nowell and Reid and trade them

[shrink]

One CBA related question: both Reid and Nowell are RFA. Does it mean that we cant use them in sign-and-trade scenarios?

For instance, Naz Reid signs 27/3 contract with us and will be traded to CHI for Caruso.

Trade them now with an extension? Poison pill makes it difficult. Probably better to trade them without an extension, and let the other team decide whether to extend or offer a new contract next summer with the Bird rights they inherited.

Trade them next summer? Yes, but the team that we trade them to would have to offer the biggest salary so they’d agree to sign, and since they aren’t getting paid much (Naz for sure), most teams would just sign the UFA’s themselves. Not much trade value.

Thank you! My idea is since I dont want to trade neither Anderson and Prince, we dont have other contracts that can be thrown as salary filler 10-13mil. So I wondered whether we can sign either Nowell and Reid and trade them

I agree! Both Anderson and Prince have specific value in MIN, so I wouldn’t want to use them just as salary filler either.

I would hope MIN is talking with them right now about signing a reasonable extension, so that they remain attractive trade pieces this summer, and like you say, could be used as minor trade assets or sweeteners in salary matches. It might be impossible to get Nowell to sign - he may bet on himself to get more in free agency than we can legally offer him in an extension right now. But an extension offers either poorly paid player the security of life-changing money, protecting them from a career-ending injury they could pick up over he rest of the year.

EDIT: In order to avoid the poison pill problem, it’s possible that Naz has a handshake deal on an extension right now that the Wolves won’t make official until a few days after the deadline, which by now is only two months away.

[cmoss84]

I am liking the idea of trading with Bulls more and more. I love KAT, but if we were to trade him...would we be able to mix and match some kind of a combination of these players?
KAT...Lavine
Dlo...Ball and Caruso
Nowell and/or Naz...Patrick Williams

[Mamba4Goat]

One CBA related question: both Reid and Nowell are RFA. Does it mean that we cant use them in sign-and-trade scenarios?

For instance, Naz Reid signs 27/3 contract with us and will be traded to CHI for Caruso.

Trade them now with an extension? Poison pill makes it difficult. Probably better to trade them without an extension, and let the other team decide whether to extend or offer a new contract next summer with the Bird rights they inherited.

Trade them next summer? Yes, but the team that we trade them to would have to offer the biggest salary so they’d agree to sign, and since they aren’t getting paid much (Naz for sure), most teams would just sign the UFA’s themselves. Not much trade value.

Fwiw neither player is an RFA and if they signed an extension now it’d be labeled as a veteran extension rather than a rookie one (which is why they can still sign extensions) and they wouldn’t be subject to the poison pill provision. The rules of extending and trading them get a little murky though.

[Klomp]

I am liking the idea of trading with Bulls more and more. I love KAT, but if we were to trade him...would we be able to mix and match some kind of a combination of these players?
KAT...Lavine
Dlo...Ball and Caruso
Nowell and/or Naz...Patrick Williams

Since the LaVine name got mentioned...Woj was on ESPN yesterday talking about the Knicks situation and their potential pursuit of a star player. Zach was the guy he mentioned to keep an eye on. Not mentioned, but that's a team where I could see a Towns move in play once CBA rules would allow it. If Zach moves there at deadline, it could become even more intriguing for Towns to reconnect with his friend and at MSG with Leon Rose.

Compensation would be a different story though...

[moss_is_1]

I am liking the idea of trading with Bulls more and more. I love KAT, but if we were to trade him...would we be able to mix and match some kind of a combination of these players?
KAT...Lavine
Dlo...Ball and Caruso
Nowell and/or Naz...Patrick Williams

Personally wouldn't want to trade Kat for Lavine. Not even sure Lavine is worth his contract tbh.

All in on trying to get Ball and Caruso for Dlo, hell add Naz in there too and let him get some minutes and show his game.

[theGreatRC]

I'd call New York and try to get Cam Reddish for a 2nd round pick.

[minimus]

I'd call New York and try to get Cam Reddish for a 2nd round pick.

Yeah, but I believe they paid one late FRP to get him, so I doubt on SRP would be enough

[minimus]

I hope TC has been looking for trade, to get us PoA defender. MCD just is not ideal defender for guys like Curry, Dame and Booker. Although I should admit that MCD has been really good at being our main perimeter defender.

[moss_is_1]

I hope TC has been looking for trade, to get us PoA defender. MCD just is not ideal defender for guys like Curry, Dame and Booker. Although I should admit that MCD has been really good at being our main perimeter defender.

This. He's good, but would be nice to have a change of pace and be able to throw multiple guys out there if someone, like Dame last night, gets hot. Last year Bev was that guy, but also we have Vando able to cover some of the bigger wings and do very well.

[Colbinii]

I'd call New York and try to get Cam Reddish for a 2nd round pick.

Yeah, but I believe they paid one late FRP to get him, so I doubt on SRP would be enough

Sunk Cost Fallacy?

He plays 20 MPG and is an expiring. He isnt worth a 1st in any capacity.

[life_saver]

My first reaction for the Gobert trade was wtf is Connelly thinking and then later I tried to convince myself that it was a decent trade despite overpaying but man at the moment, its just not looking good. Not a good start at all so far

[Klomp]

The point of the trade was not to have the best record in the NBA 27 games into the season. The point is to raise the floor from this franchise to a level where Ant can be on a competitive level on a consistent basis. Something the franchise has only been able to say once.

It's increasingly frustrating to watch this team on a nightly basis, but at the end of the day we are still hovering around .500 and right in the thick of the playoff picture.

[Colbinii]

One CBA related question: both Reid and Nowell are RFA. Does it mean that we cant use them in sign-and-trade scenarios?

For instance, Naz Reid signs 27/3 contract with us and will be traded to CHI for Caruso.

Actually, both Reid and Nowell are UFA, meaning they are Unrestricted Free Agents.

Yes, we can Sign and Trade them.

[Klomp]

"Miami has floated about" Russell for Lowry swap. "Nothing is remotely close." -Doogie

[Klomp]

"Miami has floated about" Russell for Lowry swap. "Nothing is remotely close." -Doogie

My theorizing here...
-Miami would want straight up. Minnesota would be foolish to do straight up.
-Minnesota would be smart to ask for a 1st in return, but I wouldn't blame Miami for saying no to that.
-Does Naz Reid even things up enough for Miami? Would Minnesota do that?

EDIT: This wouldn't happen until closer to the deadline when Towns should be back in the lineup, so don't try to say Naz shouldn't be traded because he's the only real option after Gobert right now during Towns' injury recovery.

[IceManBK1]

Is Sadiq bey any good.. Seem like a good 3d player. Would piston take Prince for him?