Transfer Thread 2022/23

[Sedale Threatt]

I think I read his family has a place in Miami and they love it. Having been there plenty of times myself, you could do much, much worse, especially if you have cash. Plus, he'll obviously be a huge presence here but nothing like overseas. (Things have changed since then, but Thierry Henry used to say how much he loved New York during his playing days because nobody recognized him.) So it's probably the ideal place to slide into retirement.

[wco81]

Dude, he's 35 and he's pretty much done it all. Let him make some cash and help elevate the game in a massive market.

He's made hundreds of millions in his career. How much was Barca paying him?


How does records for goals and so on get totaled across leagues?

He or Ronaldo have some of the all-time records in La Liga. Or would they add the PSG totals to his career stats and the Juventus and EPL totals to his La Liga totals?

Then do they add MLS goals if he does go to Miami?


Surely there are European clubs who'd pay them as much as Miami would? Maybe he's using them for leverage?

[ejftw]

This was rumored for months, isn't a surprise at all, not sure why anyone is shocked. Just waiting to see the Puig/CR7/Chicha trio now

[HIF]

Dude, he's 35 and he's pretty much done it all. Let him make some cash and help elevate the game in a massive market.

I'm happy for him to make some money - or should that be more money. but watching broken old men, who were once very good, play is not for me. In the end it'll hurt the world view of them, not mine, as I don't hold them in the reverence that so many seem to do.

[HIF]

I think I read his family has a place in Miami and they love it. Having been there plenty of times myself, you could do much, much worse, especially if you have cash. Plus, he'll obviously be a huge presence here but nothing like overseas. (Things have changed since then, but Thierry Henry used to say how much he loved New York during his playing days because nobody recognized him.) So it's probably the ideal place to slide into retirement.

Miami is less American than most US cities.

[Sedale Threatt]

Pump the brakes.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4817790/paris-saint-germain-lionel-messi-has-not-agreed-inter-miami-deal-sources

[wco81]

Ronaldo is at 140 goals and Messi is at 129 all time in UCL goals.

Do either one to abdicate the chance to get the all-time record?

[G R E Y]

Ronaldo's not really going to Saudi Arabia right?

[wco81]

Ronaldo's not really going to Saudi Arabia right?

Guess it depends on how much money he wants to leave to his children and their children and so on.

Presumably wants to add to his career stats, which is why he supposedly wanted to play for a side which was guaranteed to be in the UCL, when it looked like MU wouldn't be.

Saudi can throw a lot of money at him but probably not change his lifestyle much, just add to his bank account balance.

Maybe for the same reason, Tiger turned down supposedly a billion dollars from them to join the LIV tour.

[G R E Y]

Ronaldo's not really going to Saudi Arabia right?

Guess it depends on how much money he wants to leave to his children and their children and so on.

Presumably wants to add to his career stats, which is why he supposedly wanted to play for a side which was guaranteed to be in the UCL, when it looked like MU wouldn't be.

Saudi can throw a lot of money at him but probably not change his lifestyle much, just add to his bank account balance.

Maybe for the same reason, Tiger turned down supposedly a billion dollars from them to join the LIV tour.

Well that's the thing. Neither Woods nor he needs the mountain of green. Other prominent golfers accepted, sadly.

W&R's families are sets with generational wealth already. And that mount of green serves both as compensation to play in a lesser league and attract fans and talent as well as pay to wash away and cleanse it's egregiousness elsewhere. It just perpetuates whitewashing but I wonder if Ronaldo cares about the blowback.

[Baphomet]

Endrick to Real Madrid seems to be done for 70m euros.

I've heard that he's an incredible talent, but I haven't seen him play. I wonder if anyone else has any insight on this kid. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old. I remember asking a similar question about Vinicius Jr when he signed with Real as a teenager, and he's certainly proven his worth since then.

[Mamba81p]

Endrick to Real Madrid seems to be done for 70m euros.

I've heard that he's an incredible talent, but I haven't seen him play. I wonder if anyone else has any insight on this kid. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old. I remember asking a similar question about Vinicius Jr when he signed with Real as a teenager, and he's certainly proven his worth since then.

I have seen him play at Palmeiras. Very small sample size. He came as a asub 3 times with not much of an impact, in his 4th game he subbed in at half time and he scored 2 goals. After that he started in the next 3 games. He seems like the typical Brazilian FW: Quick, great technique/dribbling, and unlike others he seems to have great finishing ability, but the sample size being so small it's hard to tell. I did not see him play at youth level, so I can't talk about that.

I never saw an interview with him, to pick his brains, as I think this is critical for development of a player: work ethic, intelligence etc, so I think it's very hard for us to judge a player from outside. OJ Mayo looked amazing at 15 too.

So many things can go wrong at such a young age, but I think the biggest endorsement for him is that Real Madrid think he is worth 70m. They seem to get things right when it comes to scouting lately.

[wco81]

Those Brazilian clubs must be rich.

One big transfer fee like that is probably enough to cover all their expenses and probably be way more than ticket sales for a whole season.

Are they under any pressure to win? Or can they be content just to be a development team for European football clubs?

[SgtPepper]

Endrick to Real Madrid seems to be done for 70m euros.

I've heard that he's an incredible talent, but I haven't seen him play. I wonder if anyone else has any insight on this kid. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old. I remember asking a similar question about Vinicius Jr when he signed with Real as a teenager, and he's certainly proven his worth since then.

Madrid are playing a numbers game. Things look cherry and brilliant now with Vini/Fede/Rodrygo, but the bust rate is high with recent controversial failures like Odeegard & Reinier. Buying kids is still cheaper than busting of 1st team purchases, and the odds on a high resale are good.

The main strategic trend showcased is that the best young players in la liga are now being sourced by Madrid from South America more than developing through la liga's club development system, and the decline of the latter is driven by the poor governance decisions by RFEF & Tebas. The secondary trend has been about Madrid betting on these kids because they cannot do Galactico signings now due to nursing the end of the golden generation, better transfer market competition by PSG & Man City, bad tax conditions for world class foreigners. All of their 2022 transfer activity has been a bit of a sideshow considering the biggest hole in the depth chart has been Benzema's successor for 3+ seasons.

[LDNMagic90]

In the world of crazy transfers, Aston Villa are apparently leading the race for Joao Felix. As a Villa fan myself I don't actually believe for a second we'll actually get him, I think it's his agent just touting names around in the media for another team to make a move. His agent (Jorge Mendes) is really close to one of our owners and he's the reason we have Unai Emery coaching us, so there's a slim chance. However, why would a player whose not even in their prime yet and is still one of Europes better younger players choose us over a dozen other potential Champions League/Europa League clubs?

[Mamba81p]

Endrick to Real Madrid seems to be done for 70m euros.

I've heard that he's an incredible talent, but I haven't seen him play. I wonder if anyone else has any insight on this kid. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old. I remember asking a similar question about Vinicius Jr when he signed with Real as a teenager, and he's certainly proven his worth since then.

Madrid are playing a numbers game. Things look cherry and brilliant now with Vini/Fede/Rodrygo, but the bust rate is high with recent controversial failures like Odeegard & Reinier. Buying kids is still cheaper than busting of 1st team purchases, and the odds on a high resale are good.

The main strategic trend showcased is that the best young players in la liga are now being sourced by Madrid from South America more than developing through la liga's club development system, and the decline of the latter is driven by the poor governance decisions by RFEF & Tebas. The secondary trend has been about Madrid betting on these kids because they cannot do Galactico signings now due to nursing the end of the golden generation, better transfer market competition by PSG & Man City, bad tax conditions for world class foreigners. All of their 2022 transfer activity has been a bit of a sideshow considering the biggest hole in the depth chart has been Benzema's successor for 3+ seasons.

70 million is a lot of money to just throw it around. They must see something in him.
Odegaard was quite cheap, and they made 10 times more when they sold him, and he is playing really well now for Arsenal. Fans should be angry that he didn't work out for them and they let him go, not because he was bought.
Reinier is a bust, but I wouldn't say the bust rate is high, especially for young players. That is a good rate even when signing established players.

[SgtPepper]

At worst they're arbitraging on Endrick gaining resale hike just by getting Spanish citizenship & Real Madrid homegrown status. On the rest of the Odeegard comments - I said nothing about any of that.

[MaliBrah]

Endrick to Real Madrid seems to be done for 70m euros.

I've heard that he's an incredible talent, but I haven't seen him play. I wonder if anyone else has any insight on this kid. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old. I remember asking a similar question about Vinicius Jr when he signed with Real as a teenager, and he's certainly proven his worth since then.

Madrid are playing a numbers game. Things look cherry and brilliant now with Vini/Fede/Rodrygo, but the bust rate is high with recent controversial failures like Odeegard & Reinier. Buying kids is still cheaper than busting of 1st team purchases, and the odds on a high resale are good.

The main strategic trend showcased is that the best young players in la liga are now being sourced by Madrid from South America more than developing through la liga's club development system, and the decline of the latter is driven by the poor governance decisions by RFEF & Tebas. The secondary trend has been about Madrid betting on these kids because they cannot do Galactico signings now due to nursing the end of the golden generation, better transfer market competition by PSG & Man City, bad tax conditions for world class foreigners. All of their 2022 transfer activity has been a bit of a sideshow considering the biggest hole in the depth chart has been Benzema's successor for 3+ seasons.

Madrid paid 4m euros for odegaard no? and sold him for 30M. The only reason he failed or didn't make it at Madrid too was that Modric and Kroos are literally ageless all time wonders and refuse to fall off and continue their excellence. Just bad timing for him. Net profits like that are good for RM

[BarbaGrizz]

Those Brazilian clubs must be rich.

One big transfer fee like that is probably enough to cover all their expenses and probably be way more than ticket sales for a whole season.

Are they under any pressure to win? Or can they be content just to be a development team for European football clubs?

Palmeiras is a top 2 club is Latin America, so there´s always BIG presure to win. Also Palmeiras is maybe a top 30/40 on the richest clubs is the world, even with the BRL devalued. We also possess the most modern stadium in Latin America and the top youth system right now

[BarbaGrizz]

Endrick to Real Madrid seems to be done for 70m euros.

I've heard that he's an incredible talent, but I haven't seen him play. I wonder if anyone else has any insight on this kid. That's a lot of money for a 16 year old. I remember asking a similar question about Vinicius Jr when he signed with Real as a teenager, and he's certainly proven his worth since then.

I have seen him play at Palmeiras. Very small sample size. He came as a asub 3 times with not much of an impact, in his 4th game he subbed in at half time and he scored 2 goals. After that he started in the next 3 games. He seems like the typical Brazilian FW: Quick, great technique/dribbling, and unlike others he seems to have great finishing ability, but the sample size being so small it's hard to tell. I did not see him play at youth level, so I can't talk about that.

I never saw an interview with him, to pick his brains, as I think this is critical for development of a player: work ethic, intelligence etc, so I think it's very hard for us to judge a player from outside. OJ Mayo looked amazing at 15 too.

So many things can go wrong at such a young age, but I think the biggest endorsement for him is that Real Madrid think he is worth 70m. They seem to get things right when it comes to scouting lately.

As a Palmeiras supporter I can give you a good overview.

Endrick is amazing, both on and off the pitch. The player he reminds me A LOT is Romario. Both are small, skilled, with superb positioning and scoring instinct. The things Endrick were doing in the youth levels were unheard. Not even Neymar or Ronaldo did what he was doing. At 15 yo he was the best player in the most important U-22 national tournament (Copa São Paulo). He scored in every single championship game he played.

Off the field he also shines, as he´s being touted since 12 yo, with a huge team of psychologists, nutricians, physicians, etc. He´s also being coached by an European coach (Abel Ferreira) who puts a lot of emphasys in tactics. He´s training every day with at least 10-12 players with NT level.

EUR 72M will be a bargain for him if he stays in the same development courve he´s right now.