Can the argument be made?

[DET_Athletics]

Hear me out, with the recent Development of Killian Hayes, can the statement be made that Troy Weaver hasn't missed on a single pick since he has been our GM?

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[bstein14]

Hear me out, with the recent Development of Killian Hayes, can the statement be made that Troy Weaver hasn't missed on a single pick since he has been our GM?

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He "missed" on Haliburton on that draft.... but Killian has for sure been really solid the last few weeks. A reason to be more hopeful for sure.

Luke Kennard leading the league in 3 point percentage and getting a big contract and spot in the rotation doesn't mean that SVG didn't "miss" on drafting Donvan Mitchell.

[Manocad]

Hear me out, with the recent Development of Killian Hayes, can the statement be made that Troy Weaver hasn't missed on a single pick since he has been our GM?

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Not according to people around here. If it turns out that any player drafted after the player Weaver picks becomes better or shows quicker development, that means he screwed up. People like to focus on what they don't have rather than what they do have.

Nikola Jokic was drafted at 41. By the logic of some people here that means every GM in the league screwed up, and some twice.

[buzzkilloton]

Weaver is a draft crusher. Hes nearly always made the right pick on draft day. Sometimes the result isnt perfect even when the process is.

Yes Killian was the right pick IMO. The consensus BAP on the board was Killian. Obv with hindsight Haliburton was the guy.

[bstein14]

Weaver is a draft crusher. Hes nearly always made the right pick on draft day. Sometimes the result isnt perfect even when the process is.

Yes Killian was the right pick IMO. The consensus BAP on the board was Killian. Obv with hindsight Haliburton was the guy.

Draft day rumors were that the Pistons really wanted Patrick Williams. Also was reported that the Mavs tried to trade up (perhaps with Detroit, to take Haliburton... they were willing to trade Brunson as part of the package to move up to 6/7/8 range and take Haliburton. Plenty of mocks had Haliburton at the 6/7/8 range of draft picks and he was for sure in the conversation for our pick.

Even if Killian ends up being a solid rotation player for a #7 pick, I wouldn't call drafting him over Haliburton a "hit" for Weaver.

It certainly appears he "hit" on many of his later draft picks including Bey, Stew, Liver, and Duren.

[buzzkilloton]

Weaver is a draft crusher. Hes nearly always made the right pick on draft day. Sometimes the result isnt perfect even when the process is.

Yes Killian was the right pick IMO. The consensus BAP on the board was Killian. Obv with hindsight Haliburton was the guy.

Draft day rumors were that the Pistons really wanted Patrick Williams. Also was reported that the Mavs tried to trade up (perhaps with Detroit, to take Haliburton... they were willing to trade Brunson as part of the package to move up to 6/7/8 range and take Haliburton. Plenty of mocks had Haliburton at the 6/7/8 range of draft picks and he was for sure in the conversation for our pick.

Even if Killian ends up being a solid rotation player for a #7 pick, I wouldn't call drafting him over Haliburton a "hit" for Weaver.

It certainly appears he "hit" on many of his later draft picks including Bey, Stew, Liver, and Duren.

Rumors are rumors though. How would we surely know who Weaver really wanted or even if it was a real trade offer ? Teams can throw out fake rumors to drive up prices confuse other teams etc.

To me the process on all of Weavers picks has been good. He takes guys I have rated high. He gets extra picks and gets guys like Duren,Bey,and Stewart.Even if you didnt want Kill or Ivey you have to give props on some of the picks and admit Kill or Ivey werent far off your board.

[Mr Peanut]

I think despite Killian's recent play, at this stage, you would still have to consider him underwhelming for what we expected from the #7 pick. Of course, that can change if he continues to improve. But so far he isn't close to the same player as Haliburton who was widely mocked in our range, so the draft pick is still a miss.

Stew, Bey and Livers have been better than their draft spots. Duren is looking like the same but it's early days. Cade I think will end up justifying his #1 pick status and Ivey #5.

The only other real miss is Saben Lee, but picking in the late 30s is a bit of a crapshoot. Balsa and Procida are unknowns at this stage.

[Sort]

Whether he hit or not, I have enjoyed seeing Killian Hayes as an actual NBA player. Halliburton is special, and I don't see him slowing down, or his growth chart not going further up. The draft day takes on him - and I'm repeating here - was high floor/low ceiling. Oops...

That said. Killian Hayes not only looks like an actual NBA player, but also he's helping Pistons be in positions to win. I mean Casey was criticized for keeping him out too much in the fourth. That was almost inconceivable three weeks ago.

[whitehops]

considering none of our draftees individually have established themselves and we're the second worst team in the league i'd say he gets an incomplete grade rather than saying he hit on every pick.

and i guess you'd have to define what "hasn't missed" or "hit" means with draft picks. i'm also assuming this is exclusive to first round picks? saben lee and garza got cut and aren't in the rotation on their current teams.

[Kalamazoo317]

Didn't he draft Garza and Saben Lee? Like I don't expect much out of 2nd rounders, but I wouldn't call either of those picks "hits."

[hoophabit]

Sure it can be made. Hayes is showing substantial growth. Lately, he shoots the three, scores cleverly in the midrange, and is willing to take the ball strong to the hole. There is no reason to think this big strong 21 YO guard has reached his peak. If the shooting and attitude change is real, it goes well with the already special passing and defense. It's also fair to note he's over a year younger than the mentioned Haliburton. I've watched games where I thought Hayes was too big a 'pussy' to make it in the NBA, but lately he doesn't seen to agree. I'm suspending judgement for a bit.

[chrbal]

Didn't he draft Garza and Saben Lee? Like I don't expect much out of 2nd rounders, but I wouldn't call either of those picks "hits."

I don’t completely agree with the original post. But 52nd overall pick , Garza, is not a valid example of missing on a pick.

[edmunder_prc]

I can't imagine Hayes, Stewart or Bey being super important players on the Celtics, Bucks, Nets.

They are all bench guys on contenders.

The Pistons win meaningless games against other teams that are hoping to take the night off. If the Pistons had to play a best of 7 against any of the top teams we get crushed. Losing by 20 all 4 games.

So are those wins? Maybe these guys really turn it up but as it is the score for Weaver is incomplete and praying that Cade, Ivey and Duren become excellent players.

[bstein14]

I can't imagine Hayes, Stewart or Bey being super important players on the Celtics, Bucks, Nets.

They are all bench guys on contenders.

The Pistons win meaningless games against other teams that are hoping to take the night off. If the Pistons had to play a best of 7 against any of the top teams we get crushed. Losing by 20 all 4 games.

So are those wins? Maybe these guys really turn it up but as it is the score for Weaver is incomplete and praying that Cade, Ivey and Duren become excellent players.

100% this until they start winning... I like Stew a ton but all three of the 2020 rookies are bench players on a good team right now... at best.... It's not like he's drafted guys that are playing so good we're winning a bunch and competing for the play-in ahead of schedule. Just because they are playing ok while we're losing doesn't mean Weaver has hit on every pick.

[tmorgan]

I can't imagine Hayes, Stewart or Bey being super important players on the Celtics, Bucks, Nets.

They are all bench guys on contenders.

The Pistons win meaningless games against other teams that are hoping to take the night off. If the Pistons had to play a best of 7 against any of the top teams we get crushed. Losing by 20 all 4 games.

So are those wins? Maybe these guys really turn it up but as it is the score for Weaver is incomplete and praying that Cade, Ivey and Duren become excellent players.

Disagree strongly on Stewart. I mean, he would likely be a bench player on any team with a good+ PF, which of course includes pretty much all of the eastern conference contenders, but he could definitely start on Golden State, Phoenix, maybe Denver, probably some others.

We just need to use him correctly. He lost weight for a reason, and it wasn’t to bang with JV on the Pelicans last night. He’s now a four, with the shot needed to succeed, while still being a tenacious rebounder, tough as nails, and switchable (as just about the only player on the roster Casey’s scheme really works for). He’s still 6’8” with limited hops, though.

Just gotta hope Duren develops quickly.

[buzzkilloton]

I think Stewart and Bey were good picks where we took them. Only guy you could make a case for over them was Maxey who alot of people wanted me included. Mid rounds picks normally miss what we got from them is over what is expected IMO.

[Laimbeer]

I'm not ready to say Hayes justified that pick after a handful of good games. I still have him as a miss. I'd say the jury is out on Cade being the right pick at #1. Just too early for Ivey or Duren.

[theBigLip]

What are expectations for a #7 pick? It should be compared to an outlier that succeeded from a much lower pick - there are always going to be a few of those. But shouldn't we get a legit starter from #7? Believe it or not, at #7, there's about a 40% chance at being a starter, and 40% chance at being a backup.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-pick-expectations

[theBigLip]

What are expectations for a #7 pick? It shouldn’t be compared to an outlier that succeeded from a much lower pick - there are always going to be a few of those. But shouldn't we get a legit starter from #7? Believe it or not, at #7, there's about a 40% chance at being a starter, and 40% chance at being a backup.

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-draft-pick-expectations

[ComboGuardCity]

Great point big lip. We all hope our top 10 picks become all stars but more after than not, they don’t. The last 19 #7 picks before Killian:

2019 Coby White, North Carolina – Chicago Bulls
2018 Wendell Carter Jr., Duke – Chicago Bulls
2017 Lauri Markkanen, Arizona – Minnesota Timberwolves
2016 Jamal Murray, Kentucky – Denver Nuggets
2015 Emmanuel Mudiay, Guangdong Tigers – Denver Nuggets
2014 Julius Randle, Kentucky – Los Angeles Lakers
2013 Ben McLemore, Kansas – Sacramento Kings
2012 Harrison Barnes, North Carolina – Golden State Warriors
2011 Bismack Biyombo, Congo – Sacramento Kings
2010 Greg Monroe, Georgetown – Detroit Pistons

2000’s

2009 Stephen Curry, Davidson – Golden State Warriors
2008 Eric Gordon, Indiana – L.A. Clippers
2007 Corey Brewer, Florida – Minnesota Timberwolves
2006 Randy Foye, Villanova – Boston Celtics
2005 Charlie Villanueva, Connecticut – Toronto Raptors
2004 Luol Deng, Duke – Phoenix Suns
2003 Kirk Hinrich, Kansas – Chicago Bulls
2002 Nene Hilario, Brazil – New York
2001 Eddie Griffin, Seton Hall – New Jersey
2000 Chris Mihm, Texas – Chicago Bulls