Do we need entire new medical team or new scouts?

[tiderulz]

We constantly have players on injury list for long periods of time. Can our medical team not rehab them correctly? are we drafting/trading for players that cant stay healthy? and this isnt a new thing, this goes back years. Which part is the organization's problem? I will say, i havent trusted out medical staff for a long time. We have players getting millions of dollars that cant play. not just 1 or 2, multiple players over multiple years.

[Kent]

If I'm not mistaken, we've changed out people here and there over the years so I don't think it's any one or group of people to point at and say "you're the problem."

[tiderulz]

If I'm not mistaken, we've changed out people here and there over the years so I don't think it's any one or group of people to point at and say "you're the problem."

then its a organization thing. because this continues to happen

[VFX]

If I had to choose one of the two I'd say scouts.

Fultz had injury concerns before Orlando acquired him.
Just looking at JI's frame and skillset you knew it was a possibility.
Gary Harris was cooked before coming to Orlando.
Okeke was drafted with a major injury.
Bol Bol had an ankle injury in Oregon before being drafted and had surgery in Denver.

Outside of injuries the FO simply hasn't done a great job at drafting. Bamba, Okeke, and Cole have been pretty suspect.

[tooler]

then its a organization thing. because this continues to happen

This sums up everything about this team. Just pick a problem and this is the right response.

[Knightro]

I have a sneaking suspicion if the Magic had a team capable of competing for a deep playoff run, magically you'd see some of these "injury prone" players missing far less time than they've missed.

There's no rush to bring anyone back from injuries in any sort of reasonable time frame because there's no desire to win right now.

The two things go hand-in-hand.

[OrlChamps2030]

If I had to choose one of the two I'd say scouts.

Fultz had injury concerns before Orlando acquired him.
Just looking at JI's frame and skillset you knew it was a possibility.
Gary Harris was cooked before coming to Orlando.
Okeke was drafted with a major injury.
Bol Bol had an ankle injury in Oregon before being drafted and had surgery in Denver.

Outside of injuries the FO simply hasn't done a great job at drafting. Bamba, Okeke, and Cole have been pretty suspect.

WCJ was also a bit injury-prone in Chicago

It may be a tank strategy.. but regardless, the FO has rolled the dice on quite a few injury prone guys.

[pepe1991]

Fultz played 33 games when Magic traded him, he didn't even suit up for them that season. For condition that couldn't get better , nor worst, he just didn't play
Wendell Carter to this date plays around only 50-55 games a year.
Cole got hurt during college season.
Okeke had ACL tear at college.
Bol was injuried for ages and failed to pass medical exam less than a year ago...


I've been saying that for ages. People use injuries as excuse when in reality it's front office that collects and resigns injury prone players. Most notable injury prone resigns - Gary Harris, Jonathan Isaac.

Ofc Magic are never in full strenght, majority of their players were injury prone before even comming to Orlando. They just continued on same tragjectory.

I'm just waiting until guys return so we can move away from notion that "team is good but unlucky with injuries".
We saw more than enough combinations on the floor of those guys to make healthy assumption that roster simply lacks talent.

[Magic_Kingdom]

WCJ, Suggs, G. Harris, Okeke, and Isaac all ruled out -- already -- for tomorrow night's game vs. Toronto. In case anyone had hope that ANY of these players had at least progressed to questionable. Nope.

[fendilim]

Scout? No. They’ve done pretty well except for Bamba.

Medical team? Evaluate when we’re already competing.

We’ve got vets voicing out that they can already play but being held out.

Isaac did say he can play even just 10mpg. Then lo and behold, a few weeks later, he is already being sent to g-league to show he is making progress.

Fultz was held out last yr for 3 months practicing in the gleague before suiting up.

Tross, after voicing out in his podcast about injuries… next thing you know… he is injured. Lol

[j_n]

WCJ, Suggs, G. Harris, Okeke, and Isaac all ruled out -- already -- for tomorrow night's game vs. Toronto. In case anyone had hope that ANY of these players had at least progressed to questionable. Nope.

This FO is going to drag this until the all star weekend , one returns, two get sidelined, all strategic and planned, Kevon Harris, RJ and Admiral have been Iron men but not the guys we rely on.
they're not going to give this team a real chance to compete until its too late.

Later in the year when a bottom 5 record has been secured we're suddenly going to be healthy and show potential in order to raise trade value for some of the guys.

[dsg2021]

Scout? No. They’ve done pretty well except for Bamba.

Medical team? Evaluate when we’re already competing.

We’ve got vets voicing out that they can already play but being held out.

Isaac did say he can play even just 10mpg. Then lo and behold, a few weeks later, he is already being sent to g-league to show he is making progress.

Fultz was held out last yr for 3 months practicing in the gleague before suiting up.

Tross, after voicing out in his podcast about injuries… next thing you know… he is injured. Lol

The FO Mafia silenced him

[drsd]

Ofc Magic are never in full strenght, majority of their players were injury prone before even comming to Orlando. They just continued on same tragjectory.

Looking at the thread title;

Do we need entire new medical team or new scouts?

I think the reverse is true: is Orlando becoming an NBA rehab centre? The team has AVERAGED 5+ players missed per game for more than 100 straight games. This is not on the trainers.

But I do wonder, how many of these rehabs will lead to players returning to an NBA capacity. If the Magic find 2 or 3 players from this reclamation project, then it was all worth it.

BUT: soon some of these rehab-projects need to be let go. This can't continue much longer.


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[fendilim]

Scout? No. They’ve done pretty well except for Bamba.

Medical team? Evaluate when we’re already competing.

We’ve got vets voicing out that they can already play but being held out.

Isaac did say he can play even just 10mpg. Then lo and behold, a few weeks later, he is already being sent to g-league to show he is making progress.

Fultz was held out last yr for 3 months practicing in the gleague before suiting up.

Tross, after voicing out in his podcast about injuries… next thing you know… he is injured. Lol

The FO Mafia silenced him

Hahaha no doubt. They got the WeHam special hahaha

Tbh, this whole thing is getting ridiculous. But it is a creative way to tank. Because its kinda harsh to say we’re tanking when everyone is “injured”. Its like adding insult to injury. Haha

[fendilim]

WCJ, Suggs, G. Harris, Okeke, and Isaac all ruled out -- already -- for tomorrow night's game vs. Toronto. In case anyone had hope that ANY of these players had at least progressed to questionable. Nope.

This FO is going to drag this until the all star weekend , one returns, two get sidelined, all strategic and planned, Kevon Harris, RJ and Admiral have been Iron men but not the guys we rely on.
they're not going to give this team a real chance to compete until its too late.

Later in the year when a bottom 5 record has been secured we're suddenly going to be healthy and show potential in order to raise trade value for some of the guys.

Tbh, having “injured” guys is like load management-ing them.

It also helps get our younger guys the minutes to play and grow from their mistakes. With those 5 guys, these are rotational player. They’ll eat up minutes from other players.

[drsd]

WCJ, Suggs, G. Harris, Okeke, and Isaac all ruled out -- already -- for tomorrow night's game vs. Toronto. In case anyone had hope that ANY of these players had at least progressed to questionable. Nope.

This FO is going to drag this until the all star weekend , one returns, two get sidelined, all strategic and planned, Kevon Harris, RJ and Admiral have been Iron men but not the guys we rely on.
they're not going to give this team a real chance to compete until its too late.

Later in the year when a bottom 5 record has been secured we're suddenly going to be healthy and show potential in order to raise trade value for some of the guys.

Tbh, having “injured” guys is like load management-ing them.

It also helps get our younger guys the minutes to play and grow from their mistakes. With those 5 guys, these are rotational player. They’ll eat up minutes from other players.

There is no way management expected Fultz and Harris to have the injuries they have had this season. BUT: both are injury prone players. So .....


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[MoMM]

Tross, after voicing out in his podcast about injuries… next thing you know… he is injured. Lol

What did he say?

[j_n]

Tross, after voicing out in his podcast about injuries… next thing you know… he is injured. Lol

What did he say?

Basically confirmed what we already knew.

He said the front office doesn't tell them anything regarding injuries, he had no idea that Fultz was about to return and guessed that regardless of his situation they will put him on minutes restriction and load manage him, the implication from his words is that the front office is acting shady and excessively sits out players due to "injuries".

[Magic#1]

If I had to choose one of the two I'd say scouts.

Fultz had injury concerns before Orlando acquired him.
Just looking at JI's frame and skillset you knew it was a possibility.
Gary Harris was cooked before coming to Orlando.
Okeke was drafted with a major injury.
Bol Bol had an ankle injury in Oregon before being drafted and had surgery in Denver.

Outside of injuries the FO simply hasn't done a great job at drafting. Bamba, Okeke, and Cole have been pretty suspect.

I'm sorry, but what? They just fooled pretty much the entire league and took Paolo and we know look like geniuses for doing it. Last year we took Wagner at 8 and hit a home run. Suggs at 5 is TBA, but he's clearly improved. Then we get Cole at 15 who has shown to be a quality player. Yes, Maxey, Bane and maybe Bey have been better, but Cole has also had a better career thus far than others drafted in front of him. That was a decent pick. In 2018 Bamba was a miss. If Isaac hadn't come back early from the first injury, he probably wouldn't have gotten hurt again.
If you objectively grade our recent drafts, it's hard to argue against.
2022: A+. Maybe this could change in the next two-three years, but Paolo is clearly a player you can build an offense and team around.
2021: A-. Also, the Vooch trade has been one of the best in team history that even got us to that point.
2020. B+. Cole probably isn't a starter for a winning team, but he can provide a big boost off the bench. Only players who were taken after him who are noticeably better are Maxey and Bane. Maybe Bey.
2019. C+. I'm not a big Chuma fan, but he's going to be in this league for awhile. Missing on Keldon, Poole, KPJ, even Brandon Clarke and maybe Thybulle hurts, but Chuma could have definitely been a lottery pick had he not been hurt.
2018: D+. With Vooch still on the roster, this was a bad pick.
2017: C+, B- TBA: JI was looking like an All-Defensive type player before his injuries happened. We took him where he was projected and people saw a lot of potential. We'll see what happens with him.

I don't know how you can look at these results and not think our front office knows how to evaluate talent fairly well. No team hits on all their prospects, and as we have gone along and, this front office has done really well. Maybe they got lucky, but when your front office hands you major building blocks (Paolo and Franz) in back-to-back years and they weren't the obvious picks, you are doing something well.

[VFX]

If I had to choose one of the two I'd say scouts.

Fultz had injury concerns before Orlando acquired him.
Just looking at JI's frame and skillset you knew it was a possibility.
Gary Harris was cooked before coming to Orlando.
Okeke was drafted with a major injury.
Bol Bol had an ankle injury in Oregon before being drafted and had surgery in Denver.

Outside of injuries the FO simply hasn't done a great job at drafting. Bamba, Okeke, and Cole have been pretty suspect.

I'm sorry, but what? They just fooled pretty much the entire league and took Paolo and we know look like geniuses for doing it. Last year we took Wagner at 8 and hit a home run. Suggs at 5 is TBA, but he's clearly improved. Then we get Cole at 15 who has shown to be a quality player. Yes, Maxey, Bane and maybe Bey have been better, but Cole has also had a better career thus far than others drafted in front of him. That was a decent pick. In 2018 Bamba was a miss. If Isaac hadn't come back early from the first injury, he probably wouldn't have gotten hurt again.
If you objectively grade our recent drafts, it's hard to argue against.
2022: A+. Maybe this could change in the next two-three years, but Paolo is clearly a player you can build an offense and team around.
2021: A-. Also, the Vooch trade has been one of the best in team history that even got us to that point.
2020. B+. Cole probably isn't a starter for a winning team, but he can provide a big boost off the bench. Only players who were taken after him who are noticeably better are Maxey and Bane. Maybe Bey.
2019. C+. I'm not a big Chuma fan, but he's going to be in this league for awhile. Missing on Keldon, Poole, KPJ, even Brandon Clarke and maybe Thybulle hurts, but Chuma could have definitely been a lottery pick had he not been hurt.
2018: D+. With Vooch still on the roster, this was a bad pick.
2017: C+, B- TBA: JI was looking like an All-Defensive type player before his injuries happened. We took him where he was projected and people saw a lot of potential. We'll see what happens with him.

I don't know how you can look at these results and not think our front office knows how to evaluate talent fairly well. No team hits on all their prospects, and as we have gone along and, this front office has done really well. Maybe they got lucky, but when your front office hands you major building blocks (Paolo and Franz) in back-to-back years and they weren't the obvious picks, you are doing something well.

So out of the 6 drafts that you yourself have rated they are averaging about a C+ to a B-. That's not even how I would rate them.

The JI draft remains to be seen. Currently I rate it a D to an F. Why? Because it doesn't matter how skilled a guy is if he's never playing. Will he even be the same when he returns? Who knows.

We agree on 2018. 2019 was botched as well. Chuma came in with an injury issue and he's basically been a role player/ bench guy during his tenure in Orlando. Sometimes he looks decent and other times he's non-existent. There are many players that can do what he does. 2020 we 100% disagree on. You went into some aspects as to why. Let's just say you are being VERY generous with a B+ on Cole.

Their best drafts were the last 2 years. It's not close. Suggs was a no-brainer. Franz is who they get credit for drafting. So that's 1/6 in terms of drafting someone off the radar that exceeds draft expectations between 2017 and 2021.

Paolo made sense for a team with zero offensive identity and injury issues. You don't get massive credit for spending the #1 pick, in a 3 player draft, to fill the massive holes to a roster YOU created.

No one is claiming that teams hit on all their prospects. However, nobody can argue that this front office is great at finding value elsewhere. Bol Bol is the first time I've seen them land this kind of prospect and Im guessing it was dumb luck. Why? Because an organization that punts every 2nd round pick obviously isn't looking for it. There is a reason why a team like Miami is in another stratosphere at landing talent compared to Orlando. The scouts have basically highlighted reclamation projects, busts, and injury prone guys every year leading up to 2021.