OT: Russia-Ukraine War

[Clyde_Style]

Very lopsided trade. And only reason Biden did it was the popularity.

The ONLY reason? My god you're FOS

I would say that I'm stunned at how callous a lot of people are towards her, but then again, she's Black, a woman, and super duper uber gay so why should I be surprised? That's three strikes against her. Therefore, her life doesn't matter, right?

You know things are bad when Joe Scarborough of all people had to get on TV this morning and call out conservatives and others for their gross response to her being freed over a white man. We know why this is considered a 'bad trade'. Maybe Putin should have thrown in some future 1st rounders as well?

I doubt it is because Stannis is bigoted in that way. They're just a chit poster who throws out casual comments with very little thought. They're lazy and irresponsible and totally random in their logic. They're virtue signaling by using a symbol of solidarity with the Uyghurs as their avatar yet they voted Republican which is a party that doesn't give two cents about human rights. That's how little sense they make.

[robillionaire]

Very lopsided trade. And only reason Biden did it was the popularity.

The ONLY reason? My god you're FOS

I would say that I'm stunned at how callous a lot of people are towards her, but then again, she's Black, a woman, and super duper uber gay so why should I be surprised? That's three strikes against her. Therefore, her life doesn't matter, right?

You know things are bad when Joe Scarborough of all people had to get on TV this morning and call out conservatives and others for their gross response to her being freed over a white man. We know why this is considered a 'bad trade'. Maybe Putin should have thrown in some future 1st rounders as well?

I'm 100% not surprised by the response in the least. A certain subset of the population have been jerking off at the idea of her in a russian prison all year long because they love to see someone who "hates america" (aka someone who protested police brutality) get tortured by their russian buddies. Now she is home and they are mad. It's not just the 3 identity stikes here. They think anyone who protested the police brutality of black americans deserves to die, which is why they tried to legalize running over protesters and treat kyle rittenhouse like a celebrity, so they are extremely disappointed to see griner back. They don't care about the marine or the guy they traded either, those mostly are just whataboutisms and fake concerns because they hate griner and wanted her tortured

[MrDollarBills]

A certain subset of the population have been jerking off at the idea of her in a russian prison all year long because they love to see someone who "hates america" (aka someone who protested police brutality) get tortured by their russian buddies. Now she is home and they are mad. It's not just the 3 identity stikes here. They think anyone who protested the police brutality of black americans deserves to die

Wait, the same subset of the population that believes that the January 6th insurrectionists, whose actions caused one cop to die from injuries sustained during hand to hand combat and led to four other cops committing suicide afterwards, did nothing wrong?

Interesting how this works.

[MrDollarBills]

The ONLY reason? My god you're FOS

I would say that I'm stunned at how callous a lot of people are towards her, but then again, she's Black, a woman, and super duper uber gay so why should I be surprised? That's three strikes against her. Therefore, her life doesn't matter, right?

You know things are bad when Joe Scarborough of all people had to get on TV this morning and call out conservatives and others for their gross response to her being freed over a white man. We know why this is considered a 'bad trade'. Maybe Putin should have thrown in some future 1st rounders as well?

I doubt it is because Stannis is bigoted in that way. They're just a chit poster who throws out casual comments with very little thought. They're lazy and irresponsible and totally random in their logic. They're virtue signaling by using a symbol of solidarity with the Uyghurs as their avatar yet they voted Republican which is a party that doesn't give two cents about human rights. That's how little sense they make.

I'm not making accusations because I don't know this person that well. However in general, my point still stands about how much certain people wanted to see this woman suffer and die at the hands of the Russians

[Stannis]

I would say that I'm stunned at how callous a lot of people are towards her, but then again, she's Black, a woman, and super duper uber gay so why should I be surprised? That's three strikes against her. Therefore, her life doesn't matter, right?

You know things are bad when Joe Scarborough of all people had to get on TV this morning and call out conservatives and others for their gross response to her being freed over a white man. We know why this is considered a 'bad trade'. Maybe Putin should have thrown in some future 1st rounders as well?

It's unfortunate what happened to her. But this is war time. The release of this arm dealer will just mean more deaths and captives as this war continues.

And yes, I stand by my comment. If she wasn't a WNBA star, she wouldn't be released. Russia used that to their advantage. Why is she more important than the other prisoners? Because she's more popular? Last I checked, there's between 40 and 50 Americans wrongfully detained in Russia. Are we sure she's the only gay and black person detained?

I would have held out for a better deal.

EDIT: Wouldn't be surprised if Russian bots pumped up Griner stuff to eventually result in a lopsided prisoner swap.

[Oscirus]

Whelan ain't it either. All these conservatives whining about leaving the disgraced marine behind are funny to me. I just don't support releasing terrorists in prison exchanges

[Stannis]

Whelan ain't it either. All these conservatives whining about leaving the disgraced marine behind are funny to me. I just don't support releasing terrorists in prison exchanges

Yeah, that's why I said would have held off for a better deal. All US prisoners released. And from that point forward, I'd make it illegal for US citizens to step foot in Russia (if it already isn't). I know it likely won't happen. But that's where I would start.

This current deal strengthens Russia and terrorists. Nothing in this deal screams potential peace.

EDITED

[Capn'O]

I'm not sure how to feel about this. I'm grateful that Griner is home. The person going back to Russia seems... not good. Very concerning.

I doubt it is because Stannis is bigoted in that way. They're just a chit poster...

Please don't do this.

[Clyde_Style]

I'm not sure how to feel about this. I'm grateful that Griner is home. The person going back to Russia seems... not good. Very concerning.

I doubt it is because Stannis is bigoted in that way. They're just a chit poster...

Please don't do this.

OK

[8516knicks]

Sobering thought. The war is likely in neutral till Spring. Around 93,000 dead Russians now. At roughly 400/day that means around 143,000 dead Russians BEFORE the war starts up again in earnest.

Peter Zeihan on youtube knows his geopolitical stuff. Ukraine will have armament superiority then [they've captured from the Russians and are repairing something like TWO TIMES even what we've given them] but Russia will have 500k more bodies to throw into the pot. And there civilian shelling is aimed at making mere life in Ukraine hardly tenable.

Russia apparently usually fights wars where they get creamed at first and then just flood the battlefield till the other side is overwhelmed. He doesn't know who will win but by the following Spring 2024 it should all be over one way or another.

[MrDollarBills]

Whelan ain't it either. All these conservatives whining about leaving the disgraced marine behind are funny to me. I just don't support releasing terrorists in prison exchanges

I can understand your position.

I'll be 100 with you, seeing someone who could be my younger sister or cousin in that position isn't going to draw objectivity out of me, i can admit that plays a huge part in my stance. Like the relief i felt for her being freed hit me hard, and i don't even personally know her, I was so glad to see her on her way home.

[Clyde_Style]

Sobering thought. The war is likely in neutral till Spring. Around 93,000 dead Russians now. At roughly 400/day that means around 143,000 dead Russians BEFORE the war starts up again in earnest.

Peter Zeihan on youtube knows his geopolitical stuff. Ukraine will have armament superiority then [they've captured from the Russians and are repairing something like TWO TIMES even what we've given them] but Russia will have 500k more bodies to throw into the pot. And there civilian shelling is aimed at making mere life in Ukraine hardly tenable.

Russia apparently usually fights wars where they get creamed at first and then just flood the battlefield till the other side is overwhelmed. He doesn't know who will win but by the following Spring 2024 it should all be over one way or another.

Man, a year and a half is a lot of warring left to go if their timeline is correct. That's a long time for Putin since he's possibly ill. I don't know what kind of Russian leadership would replace him if he falters, but that could be one thing that happens in that time frame.

My bet is on Ukraine prevailing

[Capn'O]

Whelan ain't it either. All these conservatives whining about leaving the disgraced marine behind are funny to me. I just don't support releasing terrorists in prison exchanges

I can understand your position.

I'll be 100 with you, seeing someone who could be my younger sister or cousin in that position isn't going to draw objectivity out of me, i can admit that plays a huge part in my stance. Like the relief i felt for her being freed hit me hard, and i don't even personally know her, I was so glad to see her on her way home.

Hundreds of thousands of people followed her story. It became a story of national significance and the value of that resolution cannot be understated. Also, apparently Whelan's case is still in the balance so the Russians were unwilling to negotiate it. The Whelan family themselves have spoken about how grateful they are that Griner is able to come home.

“As the family member of a Russian hostage, I can literally only imagine the joy she will have, being reunited with her loved ones, and in time for the holidays,” David Whelan, Paul's brother, said in a statement. “There is no greater success than for a wrongful detainee to be freed and for them to go home."

David Whelan said the family was warned in advance of Griner's release, a decision he said softened the blow of knowing his brother would stay jailed in Russia. Pressure to include Paul Whelan in any trade for Griner increased after an April trade for Marine veteran Trevor Reed did not include him.

But, David Whelan said, the Biden administration "made the right decision to bring Ms. Griner home, and to make the deal that was possible, rather than waiting for one that wasn’t going to happen.”

Many could benefit from finding their grace.

[MrDollarBills]

Sobering thought. The war is likely in neutral till Spring. Around 93,000 dead Russians now. At roughly 400/day that means around 143,000 dead Russians BEFORE the war starts up again in earnest.

Peter Zeihan on youtube knows his geopolitical stuff. Ukraine will have armament superiority then [they've captured from the Russians and are repairing something like TWO TIMES even what we've given them] but Russia will have 500k more bodies to throw into the pot. And there civilian shelling is aimed at making mere life in Ukraine hardly tenable.

Russia apparently usually fights wars where they get creamed at first and then just flood the battlefield till the other side is overwhelmed. He doesn't know who will win but by the following Spring 2024 it should all be over one way or another.

Man, a year and a half is a lot of warring left to go if their timeline is correct. That's a long time for Putin since he's possibly ill. I don't know what kind of Russian leadership would replace him if he falters, but that could be one thing that happens in that time frame.

My bet is on Ukraine prevailing

It really f*cking irks me to see Putin bombing civilian soft targets with impunity. That's the act of a real true coward. A small, weak man.

I really hope his final days on this earth are full of pain and fear of the unknown.

Or, in true Russian style, he ends up taking a 'accidental' fall out of a 10 story window with a hard, sudden stop at the end.

[HarthorneWingo]

Whelan ain't it either. All these conservatives whining about leaving the disgraced marine behind are funny to me. I just don't support releasing terrorists in prison exchanges

I can understand your position.

I'll be 100 with you, seeing someone who could be my younger sister or cousin in that position isn't going to draw objectivity out of me, i can admit that plays a huge part in my stance. Like the relief i felt for her being freed hit me hard, and i don't even personally know her, I was so glad to see her on her way home.

Hundreds of thousands of people followed her story. It became a story of national significance and the value of that resolution cannot be understated. Also, apparently Whelan's case is still in the balance so the Russians were unwilling to negotiate it. The Whelan family themselves have spoken about how grateful they are that Griner is able to come home.

“As the family member of a Russian hostage, I can literally only imagine the joy she will have, being reunited with her loved ones, and in time for the holidays,” David Whelan, Paul's brother, said in a statement. “There is no greater success than for a wrongful detainee to be freed and for them to go home."

David Whelan said the family was warned in advance of Griner's release, a decision he said softened the blow of knowing his brother would stay jailed in Russia. Pressure to include Paul Whelan in any trade for Griner increased after an April trade for Marine veteran Trevor Reed did not include him.

But, David Whelan said, the Biden administration "made the right decision to bring Ms. Griner home, and to make the deal that was possible, rather than waiting for one that wasn’t going to happen.”

Many could benefit from finding their grace.

I just saw a tweet from Whalen’s brother criticizing the Biden administration for showing “zero” interest and not caring about his case. I think he was just striking while the iron is hot. I’m sure the Whalen family is frustrated as well.

[MrDollarBills]

Whelan ain't it either. All these conservatives whining about leaving the disgraced marine behind are funny to me. I just don't support releasing terrorists in prison exchanges

I can understand your position.

I'll be 100 with you, seeing someone who could be my younger sister or cousin in that position isn't going to draw objectivity out of me, i can admit that plays a huge part in my stance. Like the relief i felt for her being freed hit me hard, and i don't even personally know her, I was so glad to see her on her way home.

Hundreds of thousands of people followed her story. It became a story of national significance and the value of that resolution cannot be understated. Also, apparently Whelan's case is still in the balance so the Russians were unwilling to negotiate it. The Whelan family themselves have spoken about how grateful they are that Griner is able to come home.

“As the family member of a Russian hostage, I can literally only imagine the joy she will have, being reunited with her loved ones, and in time for the holidays,” David Whelan, Paul's brother, said in a statement. “There is no greater success than for a wrongful detainee to be freed and for them to go home."

David Whelan said the family was warned in advance of Griner's release, a decision he said softened the blow of knowing his brother would stay jailed in Russia. Pressure to include Paul Whelan in any trade for Griner increased after an April trade for Marine veteran Trevor Reed did not include him.

But, David Whelan said, the Biden administration "made the right decision to bring Ms. Griner home, and to make the deal that was possible, rather than waiting for one that wasn’t going to happen.”

Many could benefit from finding their grace.

For real. For them to feel that way says a lot about what kind of people they are. I hope that a resolution can be found for their loved one.

[Clyde_Style]

Sobering thought. The war is likely in neutral till Spring. Around 93,000 dead Russians now. At roughly 400/day that means around 143,000 dead Russians BEFORE the war starts up again in earnest.

Peter Zeihan on youtube knows his geopolitical stuff. Ukraine will have armament superiority then [they've captured from the Russians and are repairing something like TWO TIMES even what we've given them] but Russia will have 500k more bodies to throw into the pot. And there civilian shelling is aimed at making mere life in Ukraine hardly tenable.

Russia apparently usually fights wars where they get creamed at first and then just flood the battlefield till the other side is overwhelmed. He doesn't know who will win but by the following Spring 2024 it should all be over one way or another.

Man, a year and a half is a lot of warring left to go if their timeline is correct. That's a long time for Putin since he's possibly ill. I don't know what kind of Russian leadership would replace him if he falters, but that could be one thing that happens in that time frame.

My bet is on Ukraine prevailing

It really f*cking irks me to see Putin bombing civilian soft targets with impunity. That's the act of a real true coward. A small, weak man.

I really hope his final days on this earth are full of pain and fear of the unknown.

Or, in true Russian style, he ends up taking a 'accidental' fall out of a 10 story window with a hard, sudden stop at the end.

My fantasy is where Putin believes he has flushed out all possible enemies from within his inner circle and his daily meals that are vetted for him by the king's taster slowly poison him into a state of delerium that ends in a prolonged and fatal illness. The Russian's love balcony falls and poisonings so he should suffer the same fate. He reportedly tumbled down the stairs recently so perhaps someone is doing the deed.

[HarthorneWingo]

Man, a year and a half is a lot of warring left to go if their timeline is correct. That's a long time for Putin since he's possibly ill. I don't know what kind of Russian leadership would replace him if he falters, but that could be one thing that happens in that time frame.

My bet is on Ukraine prevailing

It really f*cking irks me to see Putin bombing civilian soft targets with impunity. That's the act of a real true coward. A small, weak man.

I really hope his final days on this earth are full of pain and fear of the unknown.

Or, in true Russian style, he ends up taking a 'accidental' fall out of a 10 story window with a hard, sudden stop at the end.

My fantasy is where Putin believes he has flushed out all possible enemies from within his inner circle and his daily meals that are vetted for him by the king's taster slowly poison him into a state of delerium that ends in a prolonged and fatal illness. The Russian's love balcony falls and poisonings so he should suffer the same fate. He reportedly tumbled down the stairs recently so perhaps someone is doing the deed.

I think that we can stretch this out a little more. What about the flaying of the penis?

[Capn'O]

I can understand your position.

I'll be 100 with you, seeing someone who could be my younger sister or cousin in that position isn't going to draw objectivity out of me, i can admit that plays a huge part in my stance. Like the relief i felt for her being freed hit me hard, and i don't even personally know her, I was so glad to see her on her way home.

Hundreds of thousands of people followed her story. It became a story of national significance and the value of that resolution cannot be understated. Also, apparently Whelan's case is still in the balance so the Russians were unwilling to negotiate it. The Whelan family themselves have spoken about how grateful they are that Griner is able to come home.

“As the family member of a Russian hostage, I can literally only imagine the joy she will have, being reunited with her loved ones, and in time for the holidays,” David Whelan, Paul's brother, said in a statement. “There is no greater success than for a wrongful detainee to be freed and for them to go home."

David Whelan said the family was warned in advance of Griner's release, a decision he said softened the blow of knowing his brother would stay jailed in Russia. Pressure to include Paul Whelan in any trade for Griner increased after an April trade for Marine veteran Trevor Reed did not include him.

But, David Whelan said, the Biden administration "made the right decision to bring Ms. Griner home, and to make the deal that was possible, rather than waiting for one that wasn’t going to happen.”

Many could benefit from finding their grace.

I just saw a tweet from Whalen’s brother criticizing the Biden administration for showing “zero” interest and not caring about his case. I think he was just striking while the iron is hot. I’m sure the Whalen family is frustrated as well.

I'm sure they're hella frustrated and who wouldn't be. Even in the statement I quoted you can see by omission a wistfulness that their family member isn't the one coming home. But, unless I see otherwise, they're not making it a pissing match about Griner and support the move to bring her home.

[MrDollarBills]

Man, a year and a half is a lot of warring left to go if their timeline is correct. That's a long time for Putin since he's possibly ill. I don't know what kind of Russian leadership would replace him if he falters, but that could be one thing that happens in that time frame.

My bet is on Ukraine prevailing

It really f*cking irks me to see Putin bombing civilian soft targets with impunity. That's the act of a real true coward. A small, weak man.

I really hope his final days on this earth are full of pain and fear of the unknown.

Or, in true Russian style, he ends up taking a 'accidental' fall out of a 10 story window with a hard, sudden stop at the end.

My fantasy is where Putin believes he has flushed out all possible enemies from within his inner circle and his daily meals that are vetted for him by the king's taster slowly poison him into a state of delerium that ends in a prolonged and fatal illness. The Russian's love balcony falls and poisonings so he should suffer the same fate. He reportedly tumbled down the stairs recently so perhaps someone is doing the deed.

I've read that his health is rumored to be failing so i wouldn't be shocked if he just fell due to age.

A poisoning that causes prolonged suffering would suit him well. God knows how many people he has had bludgeoned, poisoned, defenestrated, etc on top of the ppl he killed in Ukraine.