GT: Charlotte vs Knicks 12/9 7PM

Liver_Pooty · Post #2 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:02 am

Just posting because I don't want this to be the first GT in history without a reply

Post #3 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:27 am

Well, other than Kai with some highlight moments, that wasn't fun

This was the first game I've watched in its entirety in a bit. Wasn't worth it.

Liver_Pooty · Post #4 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:36 am

yosemiteben wrote:Well, other than Kai with some highlight moments, that wasn't fun

This was the first game I've watched in its entirety in a bit. Wasn't worth it.

I think Bryce is going to be very good.

Post #5 » by **JDR720** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:48 am

.5 games away from last in the East.

Play the 76ers next.

Post #6 » by **luciano-davidwesley** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:34 am

This team is hard to watch. Terry and Oubre don't play fun basketball commanding the tank. Hurry up and lose and bring on next season.

Post #7 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:20 pm

Maybe it's best long term, but both the Panthers and the Hornets being this bad has made for a super **** fall. I actually like watching games and I just can't bring myself to watch either. For me, tanking as a prolonged strategy would probably cause me to lose all interest in the team and just go pull for another team.

Braggins · Post #8 » by **Braggins** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:39 pm

I would be thrilled to watch if someone else was coaching and they were playing Mark Williams + giving more minutes to all the younger players. There is pretty much nothing in the NBA I have less interest in watching than Steve Clifford trying to squeeze wins out of Rozier, Oubre, and Plumlee, playing the most unwatchable brand of basketball imaginable (and still losing terribly).

Fire Clifford and trade the guys I mentioned and I'll watch damn near every game I can, otherwise I'm pretty much completely tuned out on this team and only focusing on their potential draft prospects at this point.

Braggins · Post #9 » by **Braggins** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:44 pm

JDR720 wrote:.5 games away from last in the East.

Play the 76ers next.

I might be crazy, but part of me still isn't convinced they are actually tanking. They have to go 35-21 the rest of the season to reach 42 wins (10th seed total last season), but I'm not going to be surprised if when LaMelo, Hayward, and Martin, get healthy Clifford has them playing 40 minutes with an 8 man rotation desperately trying to hit 35+ wins for some reason.

Post #10 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:30 pm

Braggins wrote:I would be thrilled to watch if someone else was coaching and they were playing Mark Williams + giving more minutes to all the younger players. There is pretty much nothing in the NBA I have less interest in watching than Steve Clifford trying to squeeze wins out of Rozier, Oubre, and Plumlee, playing the most unwatchable brand of basketball imaginable (and still losing terribly).

Fire Clifford and trade the guys I mentioned and I'll watch damn near every game I can, otherwise I'm pretty much completely tuned out on this team and only focusing on their potential draft prospects at this point.

I can understand that but that's definitely not where I'm at. I'm not going to watch a Hornets team that isn't even trying to be competitive, so if we had the same record and even same results but were playing Mark, Thor, and Bouk more minutes, that wouldn't make me think it was more fun to watch.

amcoolio · Post #11 » by **amcoolio** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:04 pm

Just imagine how bad this team will be when Pooubre makes his debut. We really should trade him before that happens.

HornetJail · Post #12 » by **HornetJail** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 3:18 pm

amcoolio wrote:Just imagine how bad this team will be when Pooubre makes his debut. We really should trade him before that happens.

to his credit, his 3-ball has been garbage for a few weeks (most of the season, really) and he's still scoring at a decent rate. This isn't last year when he was taking almost 2/3 of his shots from 3. I think it's more likely he heats up than cools off.

We should trade him though

Post #13 » by **JDR720** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:45 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:I would be thrilled to watch if someone else was coaching and they were playing Mark Williams + giving more minutes to all the younger players. There is pretty much nothing in the NBA I have less interest in watching than Steve Clifford trying to squeeze wins out of Rozier, Oubre, and Plumlee, playing the most unwatchable brand of basketball imaginable (and still losing terribly).

Fire Clifford and trade the guys I mentioned and I'll watch damn near every game I can, otherwise I'm pretty much completely tuned out on this team and only focusing on their potential draft prospects at this point.

I can understand that but that's definitely not where I'm at. I'm not going to watch a Hornets team that isn't even trying to be competitive, so if we had the same record and even same results but were playing Mark, Thor, and Bouk more minutes, that wouldn't make me think it was more fun to watch.

It would be better simply because we would (hopefully) see them grow and improve instead of being glued to the bench.

On Mark specifically, Duran is averaging 7/7 and Kessler is averaging 6/6 with 2 blocks in just 16MPG. Mark could surly do that.

Yet instead of that, we're playing Rozier 38 minutes and Oubre 33 minutes. Some of that is because of injury, and some of that is because despite being the worst team in the East, we're chasing the playoffs.

Right now, there is 0 reason to watch this team.

Liver_Pooty · Post #14 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:52 pm

Honestly don't understand the not playing young players post. Kai has been averaging 18 to 22 minutes a game. Bryce played 30 last night and has been getting minutes. Bouknight was force fed minutes despise how awful he was and can only blame himself for not getting minutes now. Rozier and Oubre are going to get minutes regardless as they are literally the only 2 players active right now that can get their own shot off.

Post #15 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:42 pm

We're not playing Rozier or Oubre over Mark Williams?

For people that would prefer to watch a lot of Mark Williams and Thor, how many Swarm games have you watched?

SWedd523 · Post #16 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:57 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:I would be thrilled to watch if someone else was coaching and they were playing Mark Williams + giving more minutes to all the younger players. There is pretty much nothing in the NBA I have less interest in watching than Steve Clifford trying to squeeze wins out of Rozier, Oubre, and Plumlee, playing the most unwatchable brand of basketball imaginable (and still losing terribly).

Fire Clifford and trade the guys I mentioned and I'll watch damn near every game I can, otherwise I'm pretty much completely tuned out on this team and only focusing on their potential draft prospects at this point.

I can understand that but that's definitely not where I'm at. I'm not going to watch a Hornets team that isn't even trying to be competitive, so if we had the same record and even same results but were playing Mark, Thor, and Bouk more minutes, that wouldn't make me think it was more fun to watch.

We are nowhere near the same sheet of music. That MJ Mentality is what has led us to eternal mediocrity. You don't get bonus points for moral victories.

SWedd523 · Post #17 » by **SWedd523** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:08 pm

yosemiteben wrote:We're not playing Rozier or Oubre over Mark Williams?

For people that would prefer to watch a lot of Mark Williams and Thor, have many Swarm games have you watched?

Every minute this season that continues going to Pumlee instead of Nick, Mark, or Kai may as well be thrown in the trash.

...just to give one example

Post #18 » by **yosemiteben** » Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:41 pm

SWedd523 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:I would be thrilled to watch if someone else was coaching and they were playing Mark Williams + giving more minutes to all the younger players. There is pretty much nothing in the NBA I have less interest in watching than Steve Clifford trying to squeeze wins out of Rozier, Oubre, and Plumlee, playing the most unwatchable brand of basketball imaginable (and still losing terribly).

Fire Clifford and trade the guys I mentioned and I'll watch damn near every game I can, otherwise I'm pretty much completely tuned out on this team and only focusing on their potential draft prospects at this point.

I can understand that but that's definitely not where I'm at. I'm not going to watch a Hornets team that isn't even trying to be competitive, so if we had the same record and even same results but were playing Mark, Thor, and Bouk more minutes, that wouldn't make me think it was more fun to watch.

We are nowhere near the same sheet of music. That MJ Mentality is what has led us to eternal mediocrity. You don't get bonus points for moral victories.

I'm not sure you understand my take. I'm not like "yay this is working, give me more of the same." I'm like "this **** sucks, I'm not watching any team that plays like this."

My point was just that I wouldn't survive a prolonged tank as a fan.