Jaylen Brown Discussion Thread - New and Improved!

[sam_I_am]

Jaylen suffers from the direct and most visible comparison to Jason. Watching the Knicks-Hawks game last night and seeing god awful play from small forwards on both sides…..and watching similar terrible small forward play on Suns…..it’s clear we under-rate JB. He has his warts no doubt but he is just an elite player despite his handle, his stubbornness, his vision etc. The Celtics just have an enormous advantage over every team in the NBA …. unless Kawhi/George can somehow miraculously turn back the clock….because they have 2 great 2 way wings. Most NBA teams don’t even have 1.

[Feed Your Head]

Everyone try to put a ceiling on Jaylen fails.

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Even his contractor?

[Feed Your Head]

In the past I felt Jaylen was kind of safe, more of a take what the defense gives rather than force the issue and put pressure on them.

That’s not the case anymore, and I hope y’all can see the difference between the two. Even in a super inefficient game like last night, he put a ton of pressure on their defense, and that forces them to react and scramble.

I love to see it.

[ryan in Maine]

In the past I felt Jaylen was kind of safe, more of a take what the defense gives rather than force the issue and put pressure on them.

That’s not the case anymore, and I hope y’all can see the difference between the two. Even in a super inefficient game like last night, he put a ton of pressure on their defense, and that forces them to react and scramble.

I love to see it.

Nobody wants to get put on a poster either lol.

[tlee324]

Just caught up on the Suns game; he bullied poor Devin, lol

[Celts17Pride]

In the past I felt Jaylen was kind of safe, more of a take what the defense gives rather than force the issue and put pressure on them.

That’s not the case anymore, and I hope y’all can see the difference between the two. Even in a super inefficient game like last night, he put a ton of pressure on their defense, and that forces them to react and scramble.

I love to see it.

Just has to continue to make good decisions in the paint when he gets there. Jaylen has made great strides but still needs to improve. You know I have said it before but Jaylen Brown putting pressure on the D with his drives is a critical element to the Celtics offense in my opinion because it opens things up for everyone else. Again, now he has to make the right decision once he is in the paint.

[Wes-J]

Jaylen has made considerable improvement in the playmaking department. I don't know what more you can ask for.

[zoyathedestroya]

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They're doing this JB as initiator more when JT and Smart are off the floor. Usually around late in the 3rd, early 4th.

[JaMarco]

Jaylen has made considerable improvement in the playmaking department. I don't know what more you can ask for.

He had a turnover last game.

[BostonCouchGM]

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They're doing this JB as initiator more when JT and Smart are off the floor. Usually around late in the 3rd, early 4th.

Awful result. The less of that the better

[zoyathedestroya]

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They're doing this JB as initiator more when JT and Smart are off the floor. Usually around late in the 3rd, early 4th.

Awful result. The less of that the better

I'm still not an advocate of it since Brogdon and White share the floor with him. But it's clear Cs coaching staff feel differently. They still want him to grow in that regard. No better time to do it than when you're up 30+ in the 3rd or 4th in the regular season.

[keevsnick1]

So it seems to me, with no math to back this up, that Jaylen has been remarkably consistent this year. He had one 12 point game, but besides that he's been between 16-37 points every other game he's played at between 15-26 shots every game as well. That's a pretty narrow scoring band for a 27ppg guy. I checked and 17 of the 18 other guys averaging 23 or more PPG have at least one 39 point game high. The only other with a lower 'game high" than Jaylen is actually is Zion at who has a high of 35 points.

I'm not sure what or anything that means, other than it being a semi cool statistical oddity.

[BK_2020]

So it seems to me, with no math to back this up, that Jaylen has been remarkably consistent this year. He had one 12 point game, but besides that he's been between 16-37 points every other game he's played at between 15-26 shots every game as well. That's a pretty narrow scoring band for a 27ppg guy. I checked and 17 of the 18 other guys averaging 23 or more PPG have at least one 39 point game high. The only other with a lower 'game high" than Jaylen is actually is Zion at who has a high of 35 points.

I'm not sure what or anything that means, other than it being a semi cool statistical oddity.

I'm not sure if not having high scoring games is "consistency." I wouldn't define consistency that way. For me it would be more about meeting a certain threshold on the lower end.
Kevin Durant has scored fewer than 26 three times this season. The variance on his game to game scoring output is much higher than Jaylen's (which is higher than Zion's). I wouldn't take that data and conclude that Kevin Durant is inconsistent. I would say Kevin Durant is amazing.

[keevsnick1]

So it seems to me, with no math to back this up, that Jaylen has been remarkably consistent this year. He had one 12 point game, but besides that he's been between 16-37 points every other game he's played at between 15-26 shots every game as well. That's a pretty narrow scoring band for a 27ppg guy. I checked and 17 of the 18 other guys averaging 23 or more PPG have at least one 39 point game high. The only other with a lower 'game high" than Jaylen is actually is Zion at who has a high of 35 points.

I'm not sure what or anything that means, other than it being a semi cool statistical oddity.

I'm not sure if not having high scoring games is "consistency." I wouldn't define consistency that way. For me it would be more about meeting a certain threshold on the lower end.
Kevin Durant has scored fewer than 26 three times this season. The variance on his game to game scoring output is much higher than Jaylen's (which is higher than Zion's). I wouldn't take that data and conclude that Kevin Durant is inconsistent. I would say Kevin Durant is amazing.

Actually, achieving the same result or close to it over and over is literally consistency. It's the dictionary definition. But I get what you're saying. Anyway Jaylen does the same thing on the lower end. He has two games all year under 21 points.

What I'm saying is that to be averaging 27 ppg while really not having a handful, or even one truly monsters game, means that Jaylen is pretty much giving you 21-33 every night.

But if your point is KD is equally consistent at scoring 30 ppg then ya, he's Kevin freakin Durant.

[BK_2020]

So it seems to me, with no math to back this up, that Jaylen has been remarkably consistent this year. He had one 12 point game, but besides that he's been between 16-37 points every other game he's played at between 15-26 shots every game as well. That's a pretty narrow scoring band for a 27ppg guy. I checked and 17 of the 18 other guys averaging 23 or more PPG have at least one 39 point game high. The only other with a lower 'game high" than Jaylen is actually is Zion at who has a high of 35 points.

I'm not sure what or anything that means, other than it being a semi cool statistical oddity.

I'm not sure if not having high scoring games is "consistency." I wouldn't define consistency that way. For me it would be more about meeting a certain threshold on the lower end.
Kevin Durant has scored fewer than 26 three times this season. The variance on his game to game scoring output is much higher than Jaylen's (which is higher than Zion's). I wouldn't take that data and conclude that Kevin Durant is inconsistent. I would say Kevin Durant is amazing.

Actually, achieving the same result or close to it over and over is literally consistency. It's the dictionary definition. But I get what you're saying. anyway Jaylen does the same thing on the lower end. He has two games all year under 21 points.

What I'm saying is that to be averaging 27 ppg while really not having a handful, or even one truly monsters game, means that Jaylen is pretty much giving you 21-33 every night.

I see your point but if you look at the actual scoring outputs you'll see that defining consistency is really just a matter of where you set the threshold because most high scorers rarely have truly bad scoring nights and we are looking at a fairly small range of outcomes as candidates for that threshold.
For example the worst five games for Ja, Spida and Jaylen are
Ja (12, 15, 19, 20, 20)
Spida (8, 13, 14, 23, 23)
Jaylen (12, 16, 21, 21, 22)
If the threshold for a good scoring game is 21 as you put it, then Jaylen is consistent. But if it's 22, then he's suddenly not so consistent. Consistency is just not very helpful as a descriptor if a single point can have such an impact.
That said, in this small set, Jaylen does seem to have a higher average on his worst 5 five scoring games compared to Ja and Mitchell, but I don't know how much that matters in the long run.
Also it should be noted that Jaylen does have a stat-seeking mentality which may modulate his lows.

[keevsnick1]

I'm not sure if not having high scoring games is "consistency." I wouldn't define consistency that way. For me it would be more about meeting a certain threshold on the lower end.
Kevin Durant has scored fewer than 26 three times this season. The variance on his game to game scoring output is much higher than Jaylen's (which is higher than Zion's). I wouldn't take that data and conclude that Kevin Durant is inconsistent. I would say Kevin Durant is amazing.

Actually, achieving the same result or close to it over and over is literally consistency. It's the dictionary definition. But I get what you're saying. anyway Jaylen does the same thing on the lower end. He has two games all year under 21 points.

What I'm saying is that to be averaging 27 ppg while really not having a handful, or even one truly monsters game, means that Jaylen is pretty much giving you 21-33 every night.

I see your point but if you look at the actual scoring outputs you'll see that defining consistency is really just a matter of where you set the threshold because most high scorers rarely have truly bad scoring nights and we are looking at a fairly small range of outcomes as candidates for that threshold.
For example the worst five games for Ja, Spida and Jaylen are
Ja (12, 15, 19, 20, 20)
Spida (8, 13, 14, 23, 23)
Jaylen (12, 16, 21, 21, 22)
If the threshold for a good scoring game is 21 as you put it, then Jaylen is consistent. But if it's 22, then he's suddenly not so consistent. Consistency is just not very helpful as a descriptor if a single point can have such an impact.
That said, in this small set, Jaylen does seem to have a higher average on his worst 5 five scoring games compared to Ja and Mitchell, but I don't know how much that matters in the long run.
Also it should be noted that Jaylen does have a stat-seeking mentality which may modulate his lows.

Wait, he does? Based off what? I don't get that feeling watching him at all.

That said maybe the takeaway from this is consistency is kind of baked into good scorers? Like if they score enough to average 25 plus you just aren't going to have many low scoring games.

But like i said in the first point, its really just a statistical oddity that probably doesn't mean anything. I don't know, it would take a deeper statistical dive than its probably worth.

[big-shot-ROB]

Actually, achieving the same result or close to it over and over is literally consistency. It's the dictionary definition. But I get what you're saying. anyway Jaylen does the same thing on the lower end. He has two games all year under 21 points.

What I'm saying is that to be averaging 27 ppg while really not having a handful, or even one truly monsters game, means that Jaylen is pretty much giving you 21-33 every night.

I see your point but if you look at the actual scoring outputs you'll see that defining consistency is really just a matter of where you set the threshold because most high scorers rarely have truly bad scoring nights and we are looking at a fairly small range of outcomes as candidates for that threshold.
For example the worst five games for Ja, Spida and Jaylen are
Ja (12, 15, 19, 20, 20)
Spida (8, 13, 14, 23, 23)
Jaylen (12, 16, 21, 21, 22)
If the threshold for a good scoring game is 21 as you put it, then Jaylen is consistent. But if it's 22, then he's suddenly not so consistent. Consistency is just not very helpful as a descriptor if a single point can have such an impact.
That said, in this small set, Jaylen does seem to have a higher average on his worst 5 five scoring games compared to Ja and Mitchell, but I don't know how much that matters in the long run.
Also it should be noted that Jaylen does have a stat-seeking mentality which may modulate his lows.

Wait, he does? Based off what? I don't get that feeling watching him at all.

That said maybe the takeaway from this is consistency is kind of baked into good scorers? Like if they score enough to average 25 plus you just aren't going to have many low scoring games.

But like i said in the first point, its really just a statistical oddity that probably doesn't mean anything. I don't know, it would take a deeper statistical dive than its probably worth.

There's an actual metric called Standard Deviation that would tell you how consistent a player is, forget about thresholds

[zoyathedestroya]

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[BK_2020]

I see your point but if you look at the actual scoring outputs you'll see that defining consistency is really just a matter of where you set the threshold because most high scorers rarely have truly bad scoring nights and we are looking at a fairly small range of outcomes as candidates for that threshold.
For example the worst five games for Ja, Spida and Jaylen are
Ja (12, 15, 19, 20, 20)
Spida (8, 13, 14, 23, 23)
Jaylen (12, 16, 21, 21, 22)
If the threshold for a good scoring game is 21 as you put it, then Jaylen is consistent. But if it's 22, then he's suddenly not so consistent. Consistency is just not very helpful as a descriptor if a single point can have such an impact.
That said, in this small set, Jaylen does seem to have a higher average on his worst 5 five scoring games compared to Ja and Mitchell, but I don't know how much that matters in the long run.
Also it should be noted that Jaylen does have a stat-seeking mentality which may modulate his lows.

Wait, he does? Based off what? I don't get that feeling watching him at all.

That said maybe the takeaway from this is consistency is kind of baked into good scorers? Like if they score enough to average 25 plus you just aren't going to have many low scoring games.

But like i said in the first point, its really just a statistical oddity that probably doesn't mean anything. I don't know, it would take a deeper statistical dive than its probably worth.

There's an actual metric called Standard Deviation that would tell you how consistent a player is, forget about thresholds

You are missing the point of the discussion but carry on.
No need to be pedantic when the idea of consistency has already been briefed on earlier.

[big-shot-ROB]

Wait, he does? Based off what? I don't get that feeling watching him at all.

That said maybe the takeaway from this is consistency is kind of baked into good scorers? Like if they score enough to average 25 plus you just aren't going to have many low scoring games.

But like i said in the first point, its really just a statistical oddity that probably doesn't mean anything. I don't know, it would take a deeper statistical dive than its probably worth.

There's an actual metric called Standard Deviation that would tell you how consistent a player is, forget about thresholds

You are missing the point of the discussion but carry on.
No need to be pedantic when the idea of consistency has already been briefed on earlier.

I'm just giving you the mathematical way to calculate consistency. If you feel attacked or think that's pedantic then that's some inner checking you need to do