Trade deadline thread

[SuperBad]

I don’t think the warriors deal all the young guys. Wiseman I’m sure there looking. But I’m sure they want to make another star out of kuminga. Because Baldwin seems to be overachieving a little bit, I can see them maybe moving Moody.

[breezypeezy]

Noels, Bey, Cojo, Macgruder, Knox, shop all the garbage if you can land young improvements.

Eta: 2 ways that can both shoot and defend and can contribute to winning basketball.

[Kalamazoo317]

Kuzma has the mix of still being relatively young and 3 and D upside that we could use on this team longterm. The front office has a pretty good track record of only trading for upcoming free agents they're confident they can lock up. For the right price, I love it.

Overall, I like our mix of players right now and with Cade injured and being so young, we're tanking just fine with the current roster. I'm happy to sit back and build a culture and continuity unless someone wants to way overpay for one of the vets.

Would you trade for Kuzma and sent Stewart to the bench? What's your lineup look like after a Kuzma trade?

That's entirely dependent on the specifics of the trade, including when it happens, who goes out, and who all comes in.

[coolness]

I've only thought about keeping Burks and Bojan lately. And honestly about CoJo and Noel too. CoJo and Noel represent having vets on the bench and continuity. They sure won't get us 1st rounders and I'm guessing not early 2nd's either.

After the draft and depending on the draft and free agency, maybe LAC would give us Kennard, Batum, and Covington for 2nd's and save themselves $40m next year. Maybe the same package for Hayes/Livers/Bagley and save themselves $20m.

Kennard can give us elite shooting in the rotation for the next 8-10 years. He doesn't make too much either. Covington and Batum would expire after next season and maybe re-sign cheap to be versatile vets who maybe even retire here.

[SuperBad]

I really don’t think Kennard is gonna really be a rotational player for 8 more years he’s hurt too much

[LaSheed]

I'm probably the only one in this boat but I'd take a flier on Porzingis. (Random I know)

[bstein14]

I'm probably the only one in this boat but I'd take a flier on Porzingis. (Random I know)

He's a FA in a few months so I'd wait til July for sure instead of giving up assets now for him. He's putting up an efficient 23 and 9 and is still young enough he will likely get something in the neighborhood of 4 years $120 - $140 million this summer.

We would have enough money for him but I'm not sure he is worth the risk/investment on our end. I'd be more ok going after him if we didn't already have Bagley signed for a few more years... but I'd hate to go after Porzingas and then essentially push Bagley out of the rotation if Stew and Duren essentially form a 3 man big man rotation with Porzingas all getting about 30-34 MPG at the PF/C spots.

[Patrick27]

I used to hate Kuz, but he seems to have matured as a player and a person. He’s solid.

Still a chucker, tho.

Not buying the person portion. I don't know exactly what it was he did the last time he played us this year but it made me instantly think that he hadn't changed. Apologies for the weak/vagueness of this response. I remember the reaction more than the catalyst.

He hit a shot at the end of the game and did the 'go home' thing to the Detroit fans. It felt weird and especially rude because he's from here (Flint).

[ComboGuardCity]

I don’t think I’m trading Bojan unless I get a first or a current lotto rookie. He’s going to help with Cade and Ivey’s development as someone who draws attention.

I also don’t think Burks is worth a first so I’m probably not trading him either. The way he draws fouls is also valuable teaching to Ivey/Cade. Pretty much if Bojan isn’t getting offers in the range of Dyson Daniels or Aj Griffin, he’s more valuable on our team.

[zeebneeb]

I don’t think I’m trading Bojan unless I get a first or a current lotto rookie. He’s going to help with Cade and Ivey’s development as someone who draws attention.

I also don’t think Burks is worth a first so I’m probably not trading him either. The way he draws fouls is also valuable teaching to Ivey/Cade. Pretty much if Bojan isn’t getting offers in the range of Dyson Daniels or Aj Griffin, he’s more valuable on our team.

Bojan is a needle mover for a title team, without question so his value is tremendous.

I am still shocked how the Pistons landed him for so little relative value.

[bstein14]

The best draft pick that might hit the open market would be the 2023 Lakers first round pick (which the Pelicans own). They are likely a player away from being a really great team (they are really good but one more solid guy could put them over the top.

I wonder if they'd give up that pick for Bojan + something. They would trade us Hayes and Graham to make the salaries work. The tough thing is, that pick could have a small chance at VW if the Lakers don't make the playoffs, but if the Lakers play much better the 2nd half of the season it could just end up being a mid first rounder which you'd hate to give up Bojan plus another young player or asset to land a mid first... but a lottery pick with a small chance at VW is something else. Perhaps New Orleans has no interest in trading it at all because they wouldn't want to miss out on a chance to get VW.

I'm actually not sure that Weaver would want to have two rookies in the rotation next year again after having so many young guys. He honestly might not want another draft pick at all for 2023.... but any possible extra shots at VW from an unprotected pick would be hard to pass up, even if that team has LeBron and AD.

[zeebneeb]

The best draft pick that might hit the open market would be the 2023 Lakers first round pick (which the Pelicans own). They are likely a player away from being a really great team (they are really good but one more solid guy could put them over the top.

I wonder if they'd give up that pick for Bojan + something. They would trade us Hayes and Graham to make the salaries work. The tough thing is, that pick could have a small chance at VW if the Lakers don't make the playoffs, but if the Lakers play much better the 2nd half of the season it could just end up being a mid first rounder which you'd hate to give up Bojan plus another young player or asset to land a mid first... but a lottery pick with a small chance at VW is something else. Perhaps New Orleans has no interest in trading it at all because they wouldn't want to miss out on a chance to get VW.

I'm actually not sure that Weaver would want to have two rookies in the rotation next year again after having so many young guys. He honestly might not want another draft pick at all for 2023.... but any possible extra shots at VW from an unprotected pick would be hard to pass up, even if that team has LeBron and AD.

I have thought about that pick since it became obvious the team was again going to blow chunks, and injuries ravaged the team.

The Pelicans are indeed super close to being great, and having a player like Bojan, would be huge for them. Not only can he shoot the hell out of the ball, but he can create his own, and has a ton of playoff experience as well.(47 games) That kind of veteran is perfect for a young playoff team like the Pelicans.

In an ideal world, the Pelicans trade with the Pistons because they want Bojan, and the pick looks unlikely to be anything special, and then the Lakers take a nosedive, and Detroit gets two shots at VW.

It all depends on what the Pelicans are looking for.

[Canadafan]

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[Kalamazoo317]

I'm probably the only one in this boat but I'd take a flier on Porzingis. (Random I know)

My interest in Porzingis depends on where we end up in the draft lottery. If we get #1, it goes down to zero, because Victor is filling that role. Anything else, and I'm interested in free agency.

[bstein14]

Lakers have been mentioned yet again about talking a Bojan trade with Detroit.

There are really two very different trades that could play out here.

#1 Patrick Beverly + Kendrick Nunn + Pick(s) for Bojan... those guys make just enough to get the deal done.

#2 Westbrook + Pick(s) for Bojan + a few other pistons (CoJo, Diallo, Burks, Noel, Bagley, etc could be a bunch of different guys).

[Snakebites]

With Bojan and the Lakers it really depends on the protections on the pick.

That's a very deferred payoff- a payoff that will come to play after many of our current young guys are already either extended or off the team- they can't trade us any pick until 2027. It's totally possible they're still a bad team at that time, but depending on the protections it might not be worth it. If it's deferred for 5 years I'd want a better pick than I'd otherwise expect fro them.

[bstein14]

With Bojan and the Lakers it really depends on the protections on the pick.

That's a very deferred payoff- they can't trade us any pick until 2027. It's totally possible they're still a bad team at that time, but depending on the protections it might not be worth it.

And because of them already seeing the possible downside of letting picks like that go for AD to New Orleans, I think at best we get a top 4 protected 2027 1st from them and then likely unprotected 2028 1st if the 2027 doesn't pay off.

That said, it's still a very intriguing future asset to own, but in reality I can't see us having the patience for that kind of long term down the road pick versus say a #13 - #19 pick in 2023 for Bojan from a team in the 5th, 6th, 7th range that might end up losing the play-in games towards the end of the season. Teams like Atlanta, New York, Miami, Toronto, Sacrmento, Dallas, etc have intriging picks for me because they all might end up giving us another late lottery pick if things don't work out well for them.

The downside of course is, that in theory Bojan will make any of those teams trading for him better which makes it less likely they lose in the play-in games.

[FloridaMan78]

With Bojan and the Lakers it really depends on the protections on the pick.

That's a very deferred payoff- they can't trade us any pick until 2027. It's totally possible they're still a bad team at that time, but depending on the protections it might not be worth it.

And because of them already seeing the possible downside of letting picks like that go for AD to New Orleans, I think at best we get a top 4 protected 2027 1st from them and then likely unprotected 2028 1st if the 2027 doesn't pay off.

That said, it's still a very intriguing future asset to own, but in reality I can't see us having the patience for that kind of long term down the road pick versus say a #13 - #19 pick in 2023 for Bojan from a team in the 5th, 6th, 7th range that might end up losing the play-in games towards the end of the season. Teams like Atlanta, New York, Miami, Toronto, Sacrmento, Dallas, etc have intriging picks for me because they all might end up giving us another late lottery pick if things don't work out well for them.

The downside of course is, that in theory Bojan will make any of those teams trading for him better which makes it less likely they lose in the play-in games.

Weaver seems to be always thinking ahead. He also usually has specific players in mind, like how Grant eventually became Duren.

I would view a possible Bojan trade for a Lakers future pick as a piece he would use to trade for a player he already has in mind.

[Snakebites]

With Bojan and the Lakers it really depends on the protections on the pick.

That's a very deferred payoff- they can't trade us any pick until 2027. It's totally possible they're still a bad team at that time, but depending on the protections it might not be worth it.

And because of them already seeing the possible downside of letting picks like that go for AD to New Orleans, I think at best we get a top 4 protected 2027 1st from them and then likely unprotected 2028 1st if the 2027 doesn't pay off.

I think that is probably optimistic. Not that we shouldn’t demand that from the Lakers but I’m not sure we get that.

[Kilo]

A pick so far out I'd want zero protection lottery ticket firs rounder.