Beal or Lillard ?

[VFX]

I think we should trade our pick (Sabonis) for Ibaka.

Some of you have learned nothing.

Nobody wanted that trade nor Ibaka. That was one of the worst trades of this franchise history, but not because of trading the pick. It was weird because the choice of Fournier over Oladipo and Ibaka's contract situation. Thon Maker was selected one pick before Sabonis, where is he now? China. I would did that trade Sabonis for Ibaka that time without hesitation if no other players involved. (And if Tobias stayed, instead of the other dumb trade for Jennings.)

The point is that you don't trade valuable assets, like top lotto picks in a win-now move, unless you are 100% confident the rest of the roster is set by capping your ceiling. Thats exactly what Hennigan did and what people are now advocating for as one of the worst teams in the league. No thanks. This roster is nowhere near complete and people want to make huge deals that possibly lead to a treadmill.

It's simple... You keep collecting talent/assets until you don't have to anymore. Trading for a 31+ year old on a max deal defeats the purpose of that if the rest of your roster is suspect.

[eyriq]

I think we should trade our pick (Sabonis) for Ibaka.

Some of you have learned nothing.

Nobody wanted that trade nor Ibaka. That was one of the worst trades of this franchise history, but not because of trading the pick. It was weird because the choice of Fournier over Oladipo and Ibaka's contract situation. Thon Maker was selected one pick before Sabonis, where is he now? China. I would did that trade Sabonis for Ibaka that time without hesitation if no other players involved. (And if Tobias stayed, instead of the other dumb trade for Jennings.)

The point is that you don't trade valuable assets, like top lotto picks in a win-now move, unless you are 100% confident the rest of the roster is set by capping your ceiling. Thats exactly what Hennigan did and what people are now advocating for as one of the worst teams in the league. No thanks. This roster is nowhere near complete and people want to make huge deals that possibly lead to a treadmill.

It's simple... You keep collecting talent/assets until you don't have to anymore. Trading for a 31+ year old on a max deal defeats the purpose of that if the rest of your roster is suspect.

For all the crap we gave Otis Smith he played the Howard build quite well. Grabbing a stretch four in Rashard Lewis turned out to be a great compliment to Howard. Over-paying for a borderline allstar guard would be a similar play for this rebuild.

[VFX]

Nobody wanted that trade nor Ibaka. That was one of the worst trades of this franchise history, but not because of trading the pick. It was weird because the choice of Fournier over Oladipo and Ibaka's contract situation. Thon Maker was selected one pick before Sabonis, where is he now? China. I would did that trade Sabonis for Ibaka that time without hesitation if no other players involved. (And if Tobias stayed, instead of the other dumb trade for Jennings.)

The point is that you don't trade valuable assets, like top lotto picks in a win-now move, unless you are 100% confident the rest of the roster is set by capping your ceiling. Thats exactly what Hennigan did and what people are now advocating for as one of the worst teams in the league. No thanks. This roster is nowhere near complete and people want to make huge deals that possibly lead to a treadmill.

It's simple... You keep collecting talent/assets until you don't have to anymore. Trading for a 31+ year old on a max deal defeats the purpose of that if the rest of your roster is suspect.

For all the crap we gave Otis Smith he played the Howard build quite well. Grabbing a stretch four in Rashard Lewis turned out to be a great compliment to Howard. Over-paying for a borderline allstar guard would be a similar play for this rebuild.

Rashard was 27 and in his prime when he was acquired by Orlando, so you are about 5 years off.

[eyriq]

But that said I think the timing is wrong... I mean I'm as confident that Banchero is all NBA talent and Franz is an allstar talent as I could be but I'd expect our Rashard Lewis acquisition to come after next season. Give Suggs another two seasons of evaluation and our upcoming lottery picks a season and then go big. Not sure what our cap space window looks like though.

[eyriq]

The point is that you don't trade valuable assets, like top lotto picks in a win-now move, unless you are 100% confident the rest of the roster is set by capping your ceiling. Thats exactly what Hennigan did and what people are now advocating for as one of the worst teams in the league. No thanks. This roster is nowhere near complete and people want to make huge deals that possibly lead to a treadmill.

It's simple... You keep collecting talent/assets until you don't have to anymore. Trading for a 31+ year old on a max deal defeats the purpose of that if the rest of your roster is suspect.

For all the crap we gave Otis Smith he played the Howard build quite well. Grabbing a stretch four in Rashard Lewis turned out to be a great compliment to Howard. Over-paying for a borderline allstar guard would be a similar play for this rebuild.

Rashard was 27 and in his prime when he was acquired by Orlando, so you are about 5 years off.

Yeah, I was just considering that flaw in my logic. Paolo makes me want to start winning now haha

[VFX]

For all the crap we gave Otis Smith he played the Howard build quite well. Grabbing a stretch four in Rashard Lewis turned out to be a great compliment to Howard. Over-paying for a borderline allstar guard would be a similar play for this rebuild.

Rashard was 27 and in his prime when he was acquired by Orlando, so you are about 5 years off.

Yeah, I was just considering that flaw in my logic. Paolo makes me want to start winning now haha

I think everyone is tired of losing. The core is shaping up to be potentially great after this draft should they nail one or both of these picks.

[Knightro]

If the Magic do look to make a trade during this season, I don't think it will come until right around the deadline, if not on deadline day itself.

I think they're going to try and minimize the impact whatever deal they may potentially explore has on this year's tank.

And make no mistake, they're going to finish in the bottom 4 regardless of how it happens. They want maximum odds at Wemby and Scoot.

[eyriq]

If the Magic do look to make a trade during this season, I don't think it will come until right around the deadline, if not on deadline day itself.

I think they're going to try and minimize the impact whatever deal they may potentially explore has on this year's tank.

And make no mistake, they're going to finish in the bottom 4 regardless of how it happens. They want maximum odds at Wemby and Scoot.

It does look like the smart money is on us being in the bottom four.

[tooler]

More interesting question is would you rather overpay in dollars or trade assets? I think I’d rather give Gary Trent Jr $100M and make an equal value consolidation trade, rather than go for some washed up star.

Any contract is tradeable in the NBA, but once those assets are gone, they’re gone.

[Rainwater]

I just don't get this. The magic are clearly rebuilding and are in no place to compete. Why would you trade your assets for two 30 year olds who don't fit your timeline? SGA would be a likely target but I recommend don't rush the process and trade when you are ready to win.

With Beal, the Magic might be a 50 win team next year. And could sneak in to the play-ins this year (maybe).

Additionally, I doubt that Dame or Beal would want to be here.

Beal is on record that he i) wants to get paid and then ii) win. So: #i is finalised so its all about #ii.

Suggs/Fultz
Beal/some-dude
F-Wagner/Bol
Banchero/Isaac
Carter/M-Wagner

I see a lot of wins in a proposed 2023/24 rotational depth chart. It has talent AND is deep.


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I don't think Beal necessarily makes the magic a 50 win squad. And Beal said something along the lines that the only reason he signed such a big contract with the wizards is because none of the contenders could offer it. So since he is already paid I am pretty certain, if traded, he is looking for a team that could contend immediately. It just makes no sense for Beal or Lillard to want to go from one losing situation to another with no vet superstars.

And with the going rate on superstars the scrapes the magic can offer will not be enough. Superstars like Gobert and Mitchell are going for 3 to 4 draft plus young prospects. Maybe with exception of maybe Bol and Suggs, I don't think other teams will value the guys that the magic are willing to give up like Fultz and JI. And there is no why the magic are giving up draft picks.

[Rainwater]

If the Magic do look to make a trade during this season, I don't think it will come until right around the deadline, if not on deadline day itself.

I think they're going to try and minimize the impact whatever deal they may potentially explore has on this year's tank.

And make no mistake, they're going to finish in the bottom 4 regardless of how it happens. They want maximum odds at Wemby and Scoot.

Completely agree.

[drsd]

I don't think Beal necessarily makes the magic a 50 win squad.

This is the core question. If the Magic is not a contender with him, then trading for him is a terrible mistake.

And Beal said something along the lines that the only reason he signed such a big contract with the wizards is because none of the contenders could offer it. So since he is already paid I am pretty certain, if traded, he is looking for a team that could contend immediately. It just makes no sense for Beal or Lillard to want to go from one losing situation to another with no vet superstars.

And with the going rate on superstars the scrapes the magic can offer will not be enough. Superstars like Gobert and Mitchell are going for 3 to 4 draft plus young prospects. Maybe with exception of maybe Bol and Suggs, I don't think other teams will value the guys that the magic are willing to give up like Fultz and JI. And there is no why the magic are giving up draft picks.

If the Wizards trade Beal, the team is in full reset mode. That means the team wants young players and LOADS of draft picks. It is actually a team like Orlando that can make that happen.

My prediction: Orlando will move deck chairs and not make a major trade. I expect Bamba and Ross to be traded for a decent backup SG. Only something like that.

The problem is that Suggs and Fultz injuries have not provided enough evaluation time before the trade window closes this mid-season.

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[paperboymafia]

neither

[zaymon]

While i agree it is propably too soon lets not forget Phoenix traded for 35 years old Chris Paul and Tatum started his carrier surrounded by Irving and Hayward. Pelicans traded for 31 McCollum. I doubt they are regreting it.
Beal is 29, he should still be very good when his contract expires. Some of you say he is worth nothing on his contract and some of you think we will have to trade half of our young core. I think the truth is somewhere in between. Wizards are going nowhere how many teams can construct better offer than we can ?
Wagner and Banchero are extremely young, but they also showed they can win with competent roster. Are we really sure we should wait with reinforcements until they sign max extensions ? Are we sure there will be good guards available for trades when we finally settle we are ready to compete ?

[basketballRob]

While i agree it is propably too soon lets not forget Phoenix traded for 35 years old Chris Paul and Tatum started his carrier surrounded by Irving and Hayward. Pelicans traded for 31 McCollum. I doubt they are regreting it.
Beal is 29, he should still be very good when his contract expires. Some of you say he is worth nothing on his contract and some of you think we will have to trade half of our young core. I think the truth is somewhere in between. Wizards are going nowhere how many teams can construct better offer than we can ?
Wagner and Banchero are extremely young, but they also showed they can win with competent roster. Are we really sure we should wait with reinforcements until they sign max extensions ? Are we sure there will be good guards available for trades when we finally settle we are ready to compete ?

Beal at his peak was a borderline all-star, kind of like Vuc. It wouldn't be worth the asking price for him.

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