2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[mpoo_sin]

Back to back sub par performances by Tatum. He is not able to dominate if the defense can focus on him. That is the main reason i do not have him as a front runner for MVP this year. Doncic and Antetokounmpo are clearly ahead.

[Exp0sed]

Back to back sub par performances by Tatum. He is not able to dominate if the defense can focus on him. That is the main reason i do not have him as a front runner for MVP this year. Doncic and Antetokounmpo are clearly ahead.

that's the same reason I didn't (and still don't) have him up top or close to it, coupled with the fact that playing alongside prime Jaylen Brown whose arguably a top 20 player averging 26/7 on 58.4 ts% with good defence, is also hurting his individual case

you can't hand out MVP's to a guy whose basically in a 1a-1b situation, even if I agree that Tatum has been better and its certainly evident in their +- (which is far from an end all be all anyways and has limitations in itself)

Idk what to think about Giannis, his defense hasn't been that good and neither has has efficiency and his usage is sky high I need to watch more Bucks games
Doncic ain't getting it unless the Mavs turn it around as a team which seems unlikely to me

best positioned rn are probably Curry, Zion and Durant
if we ignore the start under Nash and assume this win % for the Nets the rest of the way, with Durant really stepping it up on D
he'd be in a good position

i think the Warriors will be fine record wise, not sure if Curry can keep up this insanity for an entire season but if he does..he'll be a very good candidate and Zion..is just balling, even without BI, when Bi comes back they have a really good shot to be 1st in the West health permitting and who knows, maybe even 1st overall with the Celtics finding out lately that kings of the East is one thing, but life out West is tough

[mpoo_sin]

Back to back sub par performances by Tatum. He is not able to dominate if the defense can focus on him. That is the main reason i do not have him as a front runner for MVP this year. Doncic and Antetokounmpo are clearly ahead.

that's the same reason I didn't (and still don't) have him up top or close to it, coupled with the fact that playing alongside prime Jaylen Brown whose arguably a top 20 player averging 26/7 on 58.4 ts% with good defence, is also hurting his individual case

you can't hand out MVP's to a guy whose basically in a 1a-1b situation, even if I agree that Tatum has been better and its certainly evident in their +- (which is far from an end all be all anyways and has limitations in itself)

Idk what to think about Giannis, his defense hasn't been that good and neither has has efficiency and his usage is sky high I need to watch more Bucks games
Doncic ain't getting it unless the Mavs turn it around as a team which seems unlikely to me

best positioned rn are probably Curry, Zion and Durant
if we ignore the start under Nash and assume this win % for the Nets the rest of the way, with Durant really stepping it up on D
he'd be in a good position

i think the Warriors will be fine record wise, not sure if Curry can keep up this insanity for an entire season but if he does..he'll be a very good candidate and Zion..is just balling, even without BI, when Bi comes back they have a really good shot to be 1st in the West health permitting and who knows, maybe even 1st overall with the Celtics finding out lately that kings of the East is one thing, but life out West is tough

I still think it is Doncics award to lose. Granted i expect that the Mavericks stabilize. Individually i do not think it is close. And it is not only Doncics PPG, it is his effekt on the whole offense. And he is also playing defense decently.
He is one of the best pure scorers in the game, i d argue he is the best passer right now.
If Doncic does not win it this year it will only because his team underperforms.

[duppyy]

Back to back sub par performances by Tatum. He is not able to dominate if the defense can focus on him. That is the main reason i do not have him as a front runner for MVP this year. Doncic and Antetokounmpo are clearly ahead.

that's the same reason I didn't (and still don't) have him up top or close to it, coupled with the fact that playing alongside prime Jaylen Brown whose arguably a top 20 player averging 26/7 on 58.4 ts% with good defence, is also hurting his individual case

you can't hand out MVP's to a guy whose basically in a 1a-1b situation, even if I agree that Tatum has been better and its certainly evident in their +- (which is far from an end all be all anyways and has limitations in itself)

Idk what to think about Giannis, his defense hasn't been that good and neither has has efficiency and his usage is sky high I need to watch more Bucks games
Doncic ain't getting it unless the Mavs turn it around as a team which seems unlikely to me

best positioned rn are probably Curry, Zion and Durant
if we ignore the start under Nash and assume this win % for the Nets the rest of the way, with Durant really stepping it up on D
he'd be in a good position

i think the Warriors will be fine record wise, not sure if Curry can keep up this insanity for an entire season but if he does..he'll be a very good candidate and Zion..is just balling, even without BI, when Bi comes back they have a really good shot to be 1st in the West health permitting and who knows, maybe even 1st overall with the Celtics finding out lately that kings of the East is one thing, but life out West is tough

I still think it is Doncics award to lose. Granted i expect that the Mavericks stabilize. Individually i do not think it is close. And it is not only Doncics PPG, it is his effekt on the whole offense. And he is also playing defense decently.
He is one of the best pure scorers in the game, i d argue he is the best passer right now.
If Doncic does not win it this year it will only because his team underperforms.

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

[mpoo_sin]

that's the same reason I didn't (and still don't) have him up top or close to it, coupled with the fact that playing alongside prime Jaylen Brown whose arguably a top 20 player averging 26/7 on 58.4 ts% with good defence, is also hurting his individual case

you can't hand out MVP's to a guy whose basically in a 1a-1b situation, even if I agree that Tatum has been better and its certainly evident in their +- (which is far from an end all be all anyways and has limitations in itself)

Idk what to think about Giannis, his defense hasn't been that good and neither has has efficiency and his usage is sky high I need to watch more Bucks games
Doncic ain't getting it unless the Mavs turn it around as a team which seems unlikely to me

best positioned rn are probably Curry, Zion and Durant
if we ignore the start under Nash and assume this win % for the Nets the rest of the way, with Durant really stepping it up on D
he'd be in a good position

i think the Warriors will be fine record wise, not sure if Curry can keep up this insanity for an entire season but if he does..he'll be a very good candidate and Zion..is just balling, even without BI, when Bi comes back they have a really good shot to be 1st in the West health permitting and who knows, maybe even 1st overall with the Celtics finding out lately that kings of the East is one thing, but life out West is tough

I still think it is Doncics award to lose. Granted i expect that the Mavericks stabilize. Individually i do not think it is close. And it is not only Doncics PPG, it is his effekt on the whole offense. And he is also playing defense decently.
He is one of the best pure scorers in the game, i d argue he is the best passer right now.
If Doncic does not win it this year it will only because his team underperforms.

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

Probably 4th.

[Exp0sed]

yeah, it's probably something like 4th

When Jokic won it last year it was a combination of a monstrous season with a g-league squad AND all the other viable candidates falling short, mostly due to games played

this hasn't been the case thus far this year and there are many more viable candidates to begin with, even if some miss some time - it's unlikely that they all do

i just don't see any realistic path for Dallas to finish that high
and while Doncic has been incredible, his crazy usage and meh efficiency don't justify giving him the award when other viable candidates are rolling as well, the gap isn't big enough (if at all) to warrant giving it to him with a 6-8th seed

it's diff than last season in that respect
he'll get his MVP eventually but I doubt it'll be this season. he'll need to go supernova imo for it to be realistic

edit: after I posted I checked to see what his ts% was after tonight and it's actually a pretty stellar 60.5%
that's about where Tatum is rn (60.8) despite having considerably less help and shooting just 72% from the line

with defenses fully focused on Doncic and carry a very heavy load and on huge volume I actually think 60%+ is pretty impressive

[eyeatoma]

I still think it is Doncics award to lose. Granted i expect that the Mavericks stabilize. Individually i do not think it is close. And it is not only Doncics PPG, it is his effekt on the whole offense. And he is also playing defense decently.
He is one of the best pure scorers in the game, i d argue he is the best passer right now.
If Doncic does not win it this year it will only because his team underperforms.

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

Probably 4th.

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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[Sharkboy242]

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

Probably 4th.

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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Rent free.

[antonac]

I still think it is Doncics award to lose. Granted i expect that the Mavericks stabilize. Individually i do not think it is close. And it is not only Doncics PPG, it is his effekt on the whole offense. And he is also playing defense decently.
He is one of the best pure scorers in the game, i d argue he is the best passer right now.
If Doncic does not win it this year it will only because his team underperforms.

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

Probably 4th.

if you're in the play offs that's a successful regular season, you can still win it all, so 6th is absolutely fine.

people always say "X made the play-offs 10 years in a row" or whatever, to illustrate a level of consistency. No one remembers if those seasons involved coming 4th or 5th.

[Cubbies2120]

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

Probably 4th.

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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Is Doncic missing his 2nd and 3rd best players? Almost as if the voters can grasp the nuances of roster construction and how it plays into the record.

[Exp0sed]

Probably 4th.

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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Is Doncic missing his 2nd and 3rd best players? Almost as if the voters can grasp the nuances of roster construction and how it plays into the record.

not to mention Jokic wouldn't have won it either (i'm not saying that he shouldn't have won it, he should have anyway) but his only real competitors for the award, Giannis, Embiid even Booker etc. all just ended up playing too few games

it wasn't really about 4th or 5th or 6th.it was about missing his #2 and 3#, playing with the worst cast in the league at that, and playing at a crazy level, consistently all season long while all the other sat out..

[eyeatoma]

Probably 4th.

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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Is Doncic missing his 2nd and 3rd best players? Almost as if the voters can grasp the nuances of roster construction and how it plays into the record.

The Mavs roster is even worse than the Nuggets from last year.

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[_NoMas]

What’s the lowest seed Mavs can make for Doncic to win the award?

Probably 4th.

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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It’s not a hard and fast rule. Jokic was also lucky in that his closest challengers for the award last year (Giannis, Embiid) didn’t put enough separation in wins/ team record to make the 6th seed an issue. If Luka now finishes 6th with a pretty weak roster, and is in a similar ball park of wins to his closest challengers, then yeah, he’ll deserve it.

If say, Giannis, continues at the level he’s playing (and stays available), and the Bucks win 10+ more games then Luka (which could happen), then it’s going to be hard for Luka to get the award. It’s not as simple as ‘yeah but Jokic came 6th, good enough for him why not for X player’. Context!

[bradybunch]

I don't know, dude. Mavs look terrible without Luka. Only two game sample, but terrible losses.

Maybe Luka should get it, regardless.

He has the least help.

[CharityStripe34]

I don't know, dude. Mavs look terrible without Luka. Only two game sample, but terrible losses.

Maybe Luka should get it, regardless.

He has the least help.

The MVP award has never been about "who does a lot with a little." It's a long season, a lot can still happen.

[Infinite Llamas]

Weird that for Doncic it's 4th, but 6th is fine for Jokic?

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Is Doncic missing his 2nd and 3rd best players? Almost as if the voters can grasp the nuances of roster construction and how it plays into the record.

The Mavs roster is even worse than the Nuggets from last year.

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Dinwiddie, Wood, THJ, DFS is better than Gordon, Barton, Morris and Rivers. There isn’t a timeline where there is even a debate.

[Bob8]

Is Doncic missing his 2nd and 3rd best players? Almost as if the voters can grasp the nuances of roster construction and how it plays into the record.

The Mavs roster is even worse than the Nuggets from last year.

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Dinwiddie, Wood, THJ, DFS is better than Gordon, Barton, Morris and Rivers. There isn’t a timeline where there is even a debate.

We have to understand that last year's West and this year's West aren't comparable, many star players were injured, 6th place will be a lot harder to get this year.

[ILOVEIT]

Tatum is soft, flavor of the moment based on a regular season record.

[Chessboxer]

Back to back sub par performances by Tatum. He is not able to dominate if the defense can focus on him. That is the main reason i do not have him as a front runner for MVP this year. Doncic and Antetokounmpo are clearly ahead.

that's the same reason I didn't (and still don't) have him up top or close to it, coupled with the fact that playing alongside prime Jaylen Brown whose arguably a top 20 player averging 26/7 on 58.4 ts% with good defence, is also hurting his individual case

you can't hand out MVP's to a guy whose basically in a 1a-1b situation, even if I agree that Tatum has been better and its certainly evident in their +- (which is far from an end all be all anyways and has limitations in itself)

That's what I was thinking as well. I was trying to figure out has this happened before? Only time I can think of of a 1a/1b situation where the MVP gets awarded was Shaq/Kobe. However Tatum is no Shaq, and Brown aint Kobe.

[CobraCommander]

Time to restart the Poll as the front runners have changed -

At this point Embiid (not my pick) and Zion (legit is now top 5 in voting and climbing quick) needs to be on the poll.

Zion keeps winning with no BI and he will be right there with Giannis, jokic, Tatum and Luka -

If ESPN and fox sports are any indicator - Tatum is 1 by a mile