Is Kemp's 1996 finals performance the best by a PF in finals among best PFs

[migya]

Is Shawn Kemp's 1996 finals performance the best in either a conference final or final series among the best PFs, besides Duncan and Giannis? Taking into account level of opposition, in particular defensively, as Rodman was defending Kemp.

Best PFs being Malone, Barkley, Nowitzki, Garnett and Davis.

[70sFan]

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

[migya]

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

I said besides Duncan and Giannis.

In context, as I stated, Kemp was defended by Rodman and the Bulls were a great defensive team, Kemp's performance looks better than all those guys I listed in the OP.

23.3pts, 55.1fg%, 10reb, 1.3stl, 2blk

[70sFan]

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

I said besides Duncan and Giannis.

In context, as I stated, Kemp was defended by Rodman and the Bulls were a great defensive team, Kemp's performance looks better than all those guys I listed in the OP.

23.3pts, 55.1fg%, 10reb, 1.3stl, 2blk

So you created another thread to state a "fact" and ignore all different opinions, right?

[migya]

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

I said besides Duncan and Giannis.

In context, as I stated, Kemp was defended by Rodman and the Bulls were a great defensive team, Kemp's performance looks better than all those guys I listed in the OP.

23.3pts, 55.1fg%, 10reb, 1.3stl, 2blk

So you created another thread to state a "fact" and ignore all different opinions, right?

Again you're sabotaging my thread with accusations. I disagreed with what you said, do your usual numbers rebuttal if you want but go stick your pathetic crap

Warned for personal attack

[70sFan]

So what makes Kemp better than Pettit or McHale?

[No-more-rings]

I don’t see how it’s better than 2011 Dirk vs OKC. That’s just without really doing an historical dive into others either. So to answer the question, no it’s not better than any non Duncan or Giannis.

On paper, it’s definitely a great series for him but I fail to see what’s so historical about it. It’s against one of the greatest teams ever, but I don’t know how we can properly account for that against other series. Shaq and Ewing both did pretty well against them too that same year and neither of those guys were close to their peaks. The 96 Bulls didn’t exactly seem to shut down individual players or anything.

[ty 4191]

So what makes Kemp better than Pettit or McHale?

Bob Pettit is criminally underrated by most fans today. Agreed?

In any case, thank you for even mentioning him, much less, giving him his due props.

Pettit, Career, NBA Finals: 28.4/16.6/3.3 in 25 games on +5.0 rTS%.

And, the Celtics were- of course- light years ahead of every other team defensively those years.

[AEnigma]

Oooh yet another thread where “best” means “best scoring”!

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

Yeah I think you are being way too generous here, everyone in that second tier is easily clear for me, as is Garnett (even ignoring the 2004 conference finals), Pau, and 2000 conference finals Rasheed.

If we do what OP seems to prefer and solely look at scoring, Kemp looks a bit more impressive, but I would still comfortably take the top four of that “likely” group as well as Pau (64.7% efficiency against a #1 defence!!!), which puts Kemp’s ceiling for me at tenth even when looking at nothing other than scoring. Turnover economy matters too, and Kemp was his typically sloppy self for someone who had essentially no creation responsibilities (in contrast with someone like 1975 McGinnis, who had plenty of terrible turnovers but at least was acting as his team’s lead playmaker).

[ronnymac2]

Goofy premise considering Kemp didn't even have the best PF performance in that series. Rodman was getting serious consideration for FMVP. Even opposing coach George Karl thought so.

Kemp with his usual garbage 4 TOVs despite not having to create anything for teammates. His defensive rebounding was abysmal (he relied on athletic ability instead of working to box out) which led to Rodman destroying SEA on the offensive glass. Kemp's scoring also got worse as the series went on IIRC.

[70sFan]

Yeah I think you are being way too generous here, everyone in that second tier is easily clear for me, as is Garnett (even ignoring the 2004 conference finals), Pau, and 2000 conference finals Rasheed.

I didn't include CF performances, the list would be way too long.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Oooh yet another thread where “best” means “best scoring”!

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

Yeah I think you are being way too generous here, everyone in that second tier is easily clear for me, as is Garnett (even ignoring the 2004 conference finals), Pau, and 2000 conference finals Rasheed.

If we do what OP seems to prefer and solely look at scoring, Kemp looks a bit more impressive, but I would still comfortably take the top four of that “likely” group as well as Pau (64.7% efficiency against a #1 defence!!!), which puts Kemp’s ceiling for me at tenth even when looking at nothing other than scoring. Turnover economy matters too, and Kemp was his typically sloppy self for someone who had essentially no creation responsibilities (in contrast with someone like 1975 McGinnis, who had plenty of terrible turnovers but at least was acting as his team’s lead playmaker).

It’s not even the best scoring lol which is the funny part

[LukaTheGOAT]

2008 KG vs the Detroit Pistons is likely there.

Kevin Garnett in the 2008 ECF vs DET (-4.6 rDRTG ):
28 IA Pts/75
4.5 IA Ast/75
11 TRb/75
1.1 Blcks/75
+7 rTS% (58.4 TS%)
52.5 FG%
81 FT%

He had a 32.3 Net On/Off which is absurd.

He did it against a prolific defense and him being the best defender in the world really turns it in his favor over Shawn Kemp.

The Celtics produced a team rDRTG of -6.6 which is pretty dang absurd.

[ceoofkobefans]

In 2003 Tim Duncan had arguably the best finals performance ever regardless of position so I’d take him over kemp. I’m taking 22 Giannis as well

[migya]

I don’t see how it’s better than 2011 Dirk vs OKC. That’s just without really doing an historical dive into others either. So to answer the question, no it’s not better than any non Duncan or Giannis.

On paper, it’s definitely a great series for him but I fail to see what’s so historical about it. It’s against one of the greatest teams ever, but I don’t know how we can properly account for that against other series. Shaq and Ewing both did pretty well against them too that same year and neither of those guys were close to their peaks. The 96 Bulls didn’t exactly seem to shut down individual players or anything.

2011 wcf Nowitzki looks better, because of scoring only. OKC was young. Nowitzki rebounded so little for a 7fter, 5.8reb, and his defense was average as usual. He had Marion, Chandler and Kidd carry that for him. Kemp was the anchor for Seattle's elite defense.

Someone saying Rodman was better is less than conical. He got rebounds, that's what he always does, and Kemp got 10reb a game, great against Rodman. Noone among the greats at his position played an opponent (team and individual) as great as he did.

[migya]

2008 KG vs the Detroit Pistons is likely there.

Kevin Garnett in the 2008 ECF vs DET (-4.6 rDRTG ):
28 IA Pts/75
4.5 IA Ast/75
11 TRb/75
1.1 Blcks/75
+7 rTS% (58.4 TS%)
52.5 FG%
81 FT%

He had a 32.3 Net On/Off which is absurd.

He did it against a prolific defense and him being the best defender in the world really turns it in his favor over Shawn Kemp.

The Celtics produced a team rDRTG of -6.6 which is pretty dang absurd.

Ben Wallace didn't play for the Pistons that series, not a great opponent for Garnett. He had ratings of 115OR, 107DR, Kemp had 116OR, 105DR, against the legendary Bulls. That's also with his teammates providing less than Garnett's. Pierce and Allen were very good. Think Kemp is clearly little better.

[OhayoKD]

I won't mention more than one series per player to make the list shorter.

Performances definitely ahead of him:

1958 Pettit
2003 Duncan
2020 Davis
2021 Giannis

Performances likely ahead of him:

1986 McHale
1993 Barkley
1998 Malone
2011 Dirk
2016 Green

Arguable:

1970 DeBusschere
1978 Hayes
1996 Rodman
2005 Rasheed
2008 Garnett
2009 Gasol

It was a very good performance, but I definitely don't have him inside top 5 and I don't think I'd have him inside my top 10 either.

Was kemp even clearly the best player on his team that series?

[rk2023]

Is Shawn Kemp's 1996 finals performance the best in either a conference final or final series among the best PFs, besides Duncan and Giannis? Taking into account level of opposition, in particular defensively, as Rodman was defending Kemp.

Best PFs being Malone, Barkley, Nowitzki, Garnett and Davis.

"best performance by a PF" "besides Duncan and Giannis" is already filtering out some significant history. Even without those two, I would still go with 11 Nowitzki, 20 Davis quite comfortably and 1984 Bird if you classify him as such (amongst other candidates)

[migya]

Is Shawn Kemp's 1996 finals performance the best in either a conference final or final series among the best PFs, besides Duncan and Giannis? Taking into account level of opposition, in particular defensively, as Rodman was defending Kemp.

Best PFs being Malone, Barkley, Nowitzki, Garnett and Davis.

"best performance by a PF" "besides Duncan and Giannis" is already filtering out some significant history. Even without those two, I would still go with 11 Nowitzki, 20 Davis quite comfortably and 1984 Bird if you classify him as such (amongst other candidates)

2020 Davis was real good but having Lebron go off meant he didn't get all the defensive attention and he wasn't defended by anyone near Rodman's level.

[Jaivl]

Is Shawn Kemp's 1996 finals performance the best in either a conference final or final series among the best PFs, besides Duncan and Giannis? Taking into account level of opposition, in particular defensively, as Rodman was defending Kemp.

Best PFs being Malone, Barkley, Nowitzki, Garnett and Davis.

"best performance by a PF" "besides Duncan and Giannis" is already filtering out some significant history. Even without those two, I would still go with 11 Nowitzki, 20 Davis quite comfortably and 1984 Bird if you classify him as such (amongst other candidates)

2020 Davis was real good but having Lebron go off meant he didn't get all the defensive attention

Man, that series was only 2 years ago, no real excuse as to not watch it.