Trade deadline thread

[kierkegaard]

The main reason you don't trade for a future Lakers draft pick is that the league will never let them be bad that long. They represent too big of a market; their brand is too big.

Add in the fact that LA will always be an attractive FA destination and I just don't see the Lakers being bad for very long.

[SuperBad]

I’d wait for a really good offer for him, we have him two more years, no need to rush.

[LaSheed]

My bad. Definitely meant Porzingis in FA not trading if he opts out. Obviously that thought changes if we get the #1 pick.

I really don't wanna see Bog go. He's been so fun to watch. But I also would like to see him win on a contender. Depends on what he wants.

Not trading him for the price we acquired him for though.

Burks has some value but 2nd round picks no longer interest me.

[NYPiston]

Yeah, nobody will take Diallo.

Burks and Bojan I could easily see having small value.

Bojan will be one of the best scorers/shooters on the market and he's signed for another year at reasonable dollars, I highly doubt that his value is "small".

With that said, I don't see him going anywhere if it's a team like the Lakers that can only offer a protected 1st in the very distant future. Another thing that complicates a potential Bojan trade is that the other team will have to send out a salary to match, as most contenders don't have enough cap to take on his contract.

I could see Burks going for a couple of 2nds, don't see much more than that happening with the Pistons. Maybe Weaver shocks the world and trades Bey but that would definitely fall in the "shock" category.

[zeebneeb]

If history is anything to go by, whatever trade Weaver makes, it will be something weird, and no one will either understand it, or won't make sense until later.

Also, Bojan is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. Good contract, insane shooter, can create his own, and is having a career season. I firmly believe Weaver is getting some good offers, but is holding out for a big one.

A report I read is that over a dozen teams have made overtures regarding Bojan.

[bstein14]

If history is anything to go by, whatever trade Weaver makes, it will be something weird, and no one will either understand it, or won't make sense until later.

Also, Bojan is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. Good contract, insane shooter, can create his own, and is having a career season. I firmly believe Weaver is getting some good offers, but is holding out for a big one.

A report I read is that over a dozen teams have made overtures regarding Bojan.

Lots of people saw Jerami Grant to Portland trade coming.

The Bojan trade was certainly out of left field.

The Knicks trades at the draft were pretty known as well as Detroit was rumored to be willing to absorb a contract to take on another lottery pick. (one deal discussed in the rumor was with Charlotte which we eventually got their pick).

The Bol Bol and Bagley trades both made sense as we were trading away just 2nds for a young player with upside.

We were rumored to try and trade Rose for a while and getting Dennis Smith Jr and a 2nd made a ton of sense.

Really only the trade for Bojan was an out of left field type of trade from Weaver.... partly because Bojan was likely since as a piece to add to a playoff team not one of the worst teams in the league.... but we had to give up so little to get Bojan that it was a no brainer on our end.

[Snakebites]

It doesn't appear that we're all that eager to deal Bojan.

I think there is some "get serious and gimme your best offer" posturing in that fact getting out there- Weaver definitely wants to see how high the bidding is able to go. But I do think that we're very comfortable keeping him around and that it's a strong possibility that's what happens- teams like Bojan but I don't really see anyone going all-in on him.

Saddiq they seem more than eager to talk to teams about. I do wonder what happens there, since I don't see him as having more than mildly positive value at this point.

[SuperBad]

Bey & Noel for Bollucks, Hardy, & protected 1st rd pick

[Invictus88]

It doesn't appear that we're all that eager to deal Bojan.

I think there is some "get serious and gimme your best offer" posturing in that fact getting out there- Weaver definitely wants to see how high the bidding is able to go. But I do think that we're very comfortable keeping him around and that it's a strong possibility that's what happens- teams like Bojan but I don't really see anyone going all-in on him.

Saddiq they seem more than eager to talk to teams about. I do wonder what happens there, since I don't see him as having more than mildly positive value at this point.

If Bojan keeps dropping 30-burgers on teams then an aging team nearing the end of their window might bite. If the Lakers had anything resembling trade collateral the Bojan makes too much sense not to get. But that's the most obvious need/fit match out there.

I honestly think it would be a shame if we kept him; both for him and our franchise. He's playing great basketball and time is waning for him to get rings. It's also very unlikely his performances will translate to anything meaningful w/regards to playoff progression here. So it really makes sense for both parties to ship him at peak value.

I do find it interesting both Saddiq and Bojan are in play though. Instinctually I would have thought it would be an either/or proposition in terms of need; with Saddiq the choice to keep because of age. But maybe we've seen enough to have decided to move on?

I just want to see him keep making 3 balls. If he shows he is returning to 1st-year form there will be a market for him.

[Snakebites]

It doesn't appear that we're all that eager to deal Bojan.

I think there is some "get serious and gimme your best offer" posturing in that fact getting out there- Weaver definitely wants to see how high the bidding is able to go. But I do think that we're very comfortable keeping him around and that it's a strong possibility that's what happens- teams like Bojan but I don't really see anyone going all-in on him.

Saddiq they seem more than eager to talk to teams about. I do wonder what happens there, since I don't see him as having more than mildly positive value at this point.

If Bojan keeps dropping 30-burgers on teams then an aging team nearing the end of their window might bite. If the Lakers had anything resembling trade collateral the Bojan makes too much sense not to get. But that's the most obvious need/fit match out there.

I honestly think it would be a shame if we kept him; both for him and our franchise. He's playing great basketball and time is waning for him to get rings. It's also very unlikely his performances will translate to anything meaningful w/regards to playoff progression here. So it really makes sense for both parties to ship him at peak value.

I do find it interesting both Saddiq and Bojan are in play though. Instinctually I would have thought it would be an either/or proposition in terms of need; with Saddiq the choice to keep because of age. But maybe we've seen enough to have decided to move on?

I just want to see him keep making 3 balls. If he shows he is returning to 1st-year form there will be a market for him.

It would be cool to see him go to a winning team, but if that was his priority would he have signed an extension with us

I feel like that amount of money would probably be waiting for him in the offseason, whether from us or someone else.

[bstein14]

I think there is a benefit of holding onto Bojan right up until the deadline (assuming he doesn't get hurt) and then perhaps a team will be a bit more desperate... It also gives us til February 9th with him which is another 28 games with him this season to help be that relief valve for our young guys out there and help with player development.... Then, at that point at the trade deadline, i think you strongly consider moving him for the best deal out there and let the team play without him for those last 25 games of the season getting more shots for everyone including Hayes, Ivey, Livers, Duren, etc.

[Invictus88]

I think there is a benefit of holding onto Bojan right up until the deadline (assuming he doesn't get hurt) and then perhaps a team will be a bit more desperate... It also gives us til February 9th with him which is another 28 games with him this season to help be that relief valve for our young guys out there and help with player development.... Then, at that point at the trade deadline, i think you strongly consider moving him for the best deal out there and let the team play without him for those last 25 games of the season getting more shots for everyone including Hayes, Ivey, Livers, Duren, etc.

The risk here is twofold: Injury and Bojan going on a cold streak.

I think you nicely outlined the pluses and minuses of having Bojan on your team in terms of the relief valve vs opportunities for others. I think that the two are a wash to a certain extent; meaning that my aversion to added risk would win out if I were a GM.

The other thing to consider is that if we currently have a lineup of teams giving offers now then eventually those teams are going to start looking elsewhere as the deadline looms. I think that waiting right up until the deadline would be a mistake or is very likely flirting with not executing a deal at all.

It breaks my heart in a way. It is so much fun watching a pure shooter just splash shot after shot. But I know that trying to hold onto that gratification with him long term is not in the best interests of our franchise during that same span. C'est la vie...

[Invictus88]

It doesn't appear that we're all that eager to deal Bojan.

I think there is some "get serious and gimme your best offer" posturing in that fact getting out there- Weaver definitely wants to see how high the bidding is able to go. But I do think that we're very comfortable keeping him around and that it's a strong possibility that's what happens- teams like Bojan but I don't really see anyone going all-in on him.

Saddiq they seem more than eager to talk to teams about. I do wonder what happens there, since I don't see him as having more than mildly positive value at this point.

If Bojan keeps dropping 30-burgers on teams then an aging team nearing the end of their window might bite. If the Lakers had anything resembling trade collateral the Bojan makes too much sense not to get. But that's the most obvious need/fit match out there.

I honestly think it would be a shame if we kept him; both for him and our franchise. He's playing great basketball and time is waning for him to get rings. It's also very unlikely his performances will translate to anything meaningful w/regards to playoff progression here. So it really makes sense for both parties to ship him at peak value.

I do find it interesting both Saddiq and Bojan are in play though. Instinctually I would have thought it would be an either/or proposition in terms of need; with Saddiq the choice to keep because of age. But maybe we've seen enough to have decided to move on?

I just want to see him keep making 3 balls. If he shows he is returning to 1st-year form there will be a market for him.

It would be cool to see him go to a winning team, but if that was his priority would he have signed an extension with us

I feel like that amount of money would probably be waiting for him in the offseason, whether from us or someone else.

At 33 years of age it's definitely a risk for him (waiting until the offseason). Do you take the money in hand or risk something dumb happening injury-wise where you potentially lose out on at least a chunk of 40 million dollars?

I went back and looked at the timing of the extension and it was signed October 30th which he's basically averaging 23 points a game while shooting 50% from deep. I don't know if his success in those 7-8 games had bearing on his willingness to extend but it definitely couldn't have hurt.

Thins couldn't have turned out any better for him in terms of fit (excluding competitiveness). He is basically the man on offense and has plenty of players willing to do all sorts of crazy things to get him the ball in places where he can take shots.

So you're right. There's definitely area for him to say: "I like the fit here so I'd like to stay". But I can't believe he also wouldn't be happy if a more competitive team wanted to feature him similarly where he could rack up more wins as well...

[bstein14]

The league also feels very wide open this year. No one is really a heavy favorite to win the title (unlike the many LeBron Heat and GSW teams where over and over again those teams were heavy favorites). The Celtics are slight favorites in Vegas but it does feel like this year its pretty open. I wouldn't be surprised at all if one of 7 or 8 different teams won.

[Snakebites]

If Bojan keeps dropping 30-burgers on teams then an aging team nearing the end of their window might bite. If the Lakers had anything resembling trade collateral the Bojan makes too much sense not to get. But that's the most obvious need/fit match out there.

I honestly think it would be a shame if we kept him; both for him and our franchise. He's playing great basketball and time is waning for him to get rings. It's also very unlikely his performances will translate to anything meaningful w/regards to playoff progression here. So it really makes sense for both parties to ship him at peak value.

I do find it interesting both Saddiq and Bojan are in play though. Instinctually I would have thought it would be an either/or proposition in terms of need; with Saddiq the choice to keep because of age. But maybe we've seen enough to have decided to move on?

I just want to see him keep making 3 balls. If he shows he is returning to 1st-year form there will be a market for him.

It would be cool to see him go to a winning team, but if that was his priority would he have signed an extension with us

I feel like that amount of money would probably be waiting for him in the offseason, whether from us or someone else.

At 33 years of age it's definitely a risk for him (waiting until the offseason). Do you take the money in hand or risk something dumb happening injury-wise where you potentially lose out on at least a chunk of 40 million dollars?

I went back and looked at the timing of the extension and it was signed October 30th which he's basically averaging 23 points a game while shooting 50% from deep. I don't know if his success in those 7-8 games had bearing on his willingness to extend but it definitely couldn't have hurt.

Thins couldn't have turned out any better for him in terms of fit (excluding competitiveness). He is basically the man on offense and has plenty of players willing to do all sorts of crazy things to get him the ball in places where he can take shots.

So you're right. There's definitely area for him to say: "I like the fit here so I'd like to stay". But I can't believe he also wouldn't be happy if a more competitive team wanted to feature him similarly where he could rack up more wins as well...

Yeah my point was that securing that bag was a priority for him.

I’m sure he’d enjoy going to a contender but I’m not going to go as far as to say it’s “too bad” for him if he isn’t traded.

[zeebneeb]

If history is anything to go by, whatever trade Weaver makes, it will be something weird, and no one will either understand it, or won't make sense until later.

Also, Bojan is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. Good contract, insane shooter, can create his own, and is having a career season. I firmly believe Weaver is getting some good offers, but is holding out for a big one.

A report I read is that over a dozen teams have made overtures regarding Bojan.

Lots of people saw Jerami Grant to Portland trade coming.

The Bojan trade was certainly out of left field.

The Knicks trades at the draft were pretty known as well as Detroit was rumored to be willing to absorb a contract to take on another lottery pick. (one deal discussed in the rumor was with Charlotte which we eventually got their pick).

The Bol Bol and Bagley trades both made sense as we were trading away just 2nds for a young player with upside.

We were rumored to try and trade Rose for a while and getting Dennis Smith Jr and a 2nd made a ton of sense.

Really only the trade for Bojan was an out of left field type of trade from Weaver.... partly because Bojan was likely since as a piece to add to a playoff team not one of the worst teams in the league.... but we had to give up so little to get Bojan that it was a no brainer on our end.

The return for Grant puzzled people, and thought they would get more, but it ended up landing the team Duren, via NY. No one saw that coming, and is absolutely left feild territory.

[bstein14]

If history is anything to go by, whatever trade Weaver makes, it will be something weird, and no one will either understand it, or won't make sense until later.

Also, Bojan is one of the most valuable assets in the league right now. Good contract, insane shooter, can create his own, and is having a career season. I firmly believe Weaver is getting some good offers, but is holding out for a big one.

A report I read is that over a dozen teams have made overtures regarding Bojan.

Lots of people saw Jerami Grant to Portland trade coming.

The Bojan trade was certainly out of left field.

The Knicks trades at the draft were pretty known as well as Detroit was rumored to be willing to absorb a contract to take on another lottery pick. (one deal discussed in the rumor was with Charlotte which we eventually got their pick).

The Bol Bol and Bagley trades both made sense as we were trading away just 2nds for a young player with upside.

We were rumored to try and trade Rose for a while and getting Dennis Smith Jr and a 2nd made a ton of sense.

Really only the trade for Bojan was an out of left field type of trade from Weaver.... partly because Bojan was likely since as a piece to add to a playoff team not one of the worst teams in the league.... but we had to give up so little to get Bojan that it was a no brainer on our end.

The return for Grant puzzled people, and thought they would get more, but it ended up landing the team Duren, via NY. No one saw that coming, and is absolutely left feild territory.

There were literally reports ahead of time that we were looking to take on salary to get another pick. Charlotte was mentioned that if JALEN DUREN was still there at #13 look for Detroit to make a move. https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/6/23/23180781/nba-draft-trade-rumors-detroit-pistons-gordon-hayward-charlotte-hornets-jalen-duren

[zeebneeb]

Lots of people saw Jerami Grant to Portland trade coming.

The Bojan trade was certainly out of left field.

The Knicks trades at the draft were pretty known as well as Detroit was rumored to be willing to absorb a contract to take on another lottery pick. (one deal discussed in the rumor was with Charlotte which we eventually got their pick).

The Bol Bol and Bagley trades both made sense as we were trading away just 2nds for a young player with upside.

We were rumored to try and trade Rose for a while and getting Dennis Smith Jr and a 2nd made a ton of sense.

Really only the trade for Bojan was an out of left field type of trade from Weaver.... partly because Bojan was likely since as a piece to add to a playoff team not one of the worst teams in the league.... but we had to give up so little to get Bojan that it was a no brainer on our end.

The return for Grant puzzled people, and thought they would get more, but it ended up landing the team Duren, via NY. No one saw that coming, and is absolutely left feild territory.

There were literally reports ahead of time that we were looking to take on salary to get another pick. Charlotte was mentioned that if JALEN DUREN was still there at #13 look for Detroit to make a move. https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/6/23/23180781/nba-draft-trade-rumors-detroit-pistons-gordon-hayward-charlotte-hornets-jalen-duren

Forget it. Tired of arguing with anyone anymore concerning anything.

If you think no one was upset at getting that pick for Grant, I won't argue.

It was all obvious from the jump.

[whitehops]

The main reason you don't trade for a future Lakers draft pick is that the league will never let them be bad that long. They represent too big of a market; their brand is too big.

Add in the fact that LA will always be an attractive FA destination and I just don't see the Lakers being bad for very long.

this might be a hot take but i think they could be the "new knicks" after lebron retires/leaves because they'll be completely depleted of prospects, picks (for 2/3 of the next three drafts) and veteran talent.

they do have some cap space (~$36M) this off season but only have four players under contract so that money will go very quickly and lebron and AD alone make $100M in 2025.

[bstein14]

The return for Grant puzzled people, and thought they would get more, but it ended up landing the team Duren, via NY. No one saw that coming, and is absolutely left feild territory.

There were literally reports ahead of time that we were looking to take on salary to get another pick. Charlotte was mentioned that if JALEN DUREN was still there at #13 look for Detroit to make a move. https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2022/6/23/23180781/nba-draft-trade-rumors-detroit-pistons-gordon-hayward-charlotte-hornets-jalen-duren

Forget it. Tired of arguing with anyone anymore concerning anything.

If you think no one was upset at getting that pick for Grant, I won't argue.

It was all obvious from the jump.

Of course some people were upset with the return. Some people are upset with the return of every trade we do it seems. But Grant to Portland was a long rumored constantly discussed thing around here going back to the trade deadline and knowing it would have to be done before the draft because Portland's trade exception would only fit Grant's contract size before Grant got a raise the following season.