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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#321 » by Capn'O » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:21 pm

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Look how much that annoying bald f*ck Caruso helps them


we would all love that dude if he was on the knicks


Every team needs Caruso. He's the guy you sign instead of Fournier at almost half the price.


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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#322 » by robillionaire » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:24 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:The Bulls really miss Lonzo. Similarly, the Knicks have taken off with Grimes and Deuce. No doubt stars are the more important, but it is still vastly important to have the right complimentary players. The right glue guys make a difference.


who would of thought good defenders matter???


I know we have Grimes and all but Lonzo would also be a great fit with Brunson
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#323 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:30 pm

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Deeeez Knicks wrote:The Bulls really miss Lonzo. Similarly, the Knicks have taken off with Grimes and Deuce. No doubt stars are the more important, but it is still vastly important to have the right complimentary players. The right glue guys make a difference.


who would of thought good defenders matter???


I know we have Grimes and all but Lonzo would also be a great fit with Brunson



Brunson is a fit with just about any big guard, he and Haliburton would have songs being sung about them right now.


The Bulls need Lonzo, but they'd still have a glaring problem even if he were there, which is they don't have anyone that can reliably get to the rim. DeMar will get you the middies, and LaVine will get you the 3s, they don't have anyone putting a ton of pressure on the rim. Like Jalen is living in the paint and puts so much pressure on a defense, they are missing that.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#324 » by sol537 » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:36 pm

If CHI has a fire sale, the guy I would target is Caruso.

I would do IQ and Hart for Caruso, which saves them salary and gives them depth. They prob love Caruso though but they may go into sell mode in a month or so...
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#325 » by E-Balla » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:36 pm

KnicksGadfly wrote:I'll say this...Bulls are a crap team. We're supposed to beat their ass if we try hard. No different than beating the Hornets imo

To be fair they are missing their PG and have a horrible coach. Talent wise they should be top 6 in the East easily. Hell their point differential is still very good.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#326 » by E-Balla » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:39 pm

sol537 wrote:If CHI has a fire sale, the guy I would target is Caruso.

I would do IQ and Hart for Caruso, which saves them salary and gives them depth. They prob love Caruso though but they may go into sell mode in a month or so...

IQ for Caruso straight up would be one of the absolute dumbest moves we could ever make. Its nothing Caruso does better than him on the court and I love me some Caruso. IQ is on his level defensively with way better offensive abilities.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#327 » by KnicksGadfly » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:44 pm

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KnicksGadfly wrote:I'll say this...Bulls are a crap team. We're supposed to beat their ass if we try hard. No different than beating the Hornets imo

To be fair they are missing their PG and have a horrible coach. Talent wise they should be top 6 in the East easily. Hell their point differential is still very good.


I get the PG thing, but should a team be this bad while missing their third or fourth best player? Why are they paying their "big three" again? The big issue is that they have an Isiah Thomas team...get a bunch of "talented" scorers together who can't do anything else, and try to cram them together. They talked a lot about how Isiah Thomas collected talent too, but in my opinion, if your talent can't complement other players' talent, it's not that much of a talent because it caps your ceiling. Finally, their team has a history of choking in big moments, especially in the playoffs. Vuc and DeRozan are the classic examples of this.

I've been beating this drum for several years now. I have never been let down by the Bulls' ability to suck. Crap team.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#328 » by KnicksGadfly » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:48 pm

This gotta be controversial but I find the Brunson move on Caruso way better than what Harden did on Wes. Harden had the stare, but I've always felt like he pushed off.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#329 » by K_ick_God » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:49 pm

Thibs saving his career at the last minute by going young and defensive is a good story.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#330 » by E-Balla » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:50 pm

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KnicksGadfly wrote:I'll say this...Bulls are a crap team. We're supposed to beat their ass if we try hard. No different than beating the Hornets imo

To be fair they are missing their PG and have a horrible coach. Talent wise they should be top 6 in the East easily. Hell their point differential is still very good.


I get the PG thing, but should a team be this bad while missing their third or fourth best player? Why are they paying their "big three" again? The big issue is that they have an Isiah Thomas team...get a bunch of "talented" scorers together who can't do anything else, and try to cram them together. They talked a lot about how Isiah Thomas collected talent too, but in my opinion, if your talent can't complement other players' talent, it's not that much of a talent because it caps your ceiling. Finally, their team has a history of choking in big moments, especially in the playoffs. Vuc and DeRozan are the classic examples of this.

I've been beating this drum for several years now. I have never been let down by the Bulls' ability to suck. Crap team.

This is where you messed up at. Lonzo is their 2nd best player. He's their 4th best scorer. Zach LaVine has NEVER been a winning player, anyone paying him is paying a lot of money for someone that's not helping them move into contention.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#332 » by j4remi » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:14 pm

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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#333 » by mpharris36 » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:15 pm

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its crazy just building an identity has done for a lot of us and the outlook for the team/season.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#334 » by spree2kawhi » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:17 pm

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That's a prediction you can't make if he doesn't have a good team around him.

I've never seen a GOAT who didn't play a lick of defense.

Nowitzki and Curry come to mind quickly.

Time is still on his side and these takes will age poorly. I do think there will be some move to help him break through. Hardaway, Dinwiddie and Powell aren’t resl playoff caliber players.


But Brunson and KP were. So who will he fit with?

They aren’t real difference maker either.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#335 » by Capn'O » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:18 pm

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E-Balla wrote:To be fair they are missing their PG and have a horrible coach. Talent wise they should be top 6 in the East easily. Hell their point differential is still very good.


I get the PG thing, but should a team be this bad while missing their third or fourth best player? Why are they paying their "big three" again? The big issue is that they have an Isiah Thomas team...get a bunch of "talented" scorers together who can't do anything else, and try to cram them together. They talked a lot about how Isiah Thomas collected talent too, but in my opinion, if your talent can't complement other players' talent, it's not that much of a talent because it caps your ceiling. Finally, their team has a history of choking in big moments, especially in the playoffs. Vuc and DeRozan are the classic examples of this.

I've been beating this drum for several years now. I have never been let down by the Bulls' ability to suck. Crap team.

This is where you messed up at. Lonzo is their 2nd best player. He's their 4th best scorer. Zach LaVine has NEVER been a winning player, anyone paying him is paying a lot of money for someone that's not helping them move into contention.


He might be their most _important_ player. I.e. it falls apart if he's out moreso than anyone else. If one of DeRozan/Lavine/Vuc is out but Lonzo is in they still have scorers.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#336 » by Clyde_Style » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:41 pm

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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#337 » by j4remi » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:53 pm

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It really does give a sudden sense of direction in an otherwise aimless season. There's suddenly a clear sense of where they can improve and what they need to maintain for success.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#338 » by mpharris36 » Thu Dec 15, 2022 6:59 pm

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its crazy just building an identity has done for a lot of us and the outlook for the team/season.


It really does give a sudden sense of direction in an otherwise aimless season. There's suddenly a clear sense of where they can improve and what they need to maintain for success.


correct even if they shoot bad or lose a game they are playing core guys that are complimentary pieces that defend.

I know its small moves but this is what happens when you play guys like McBride and Grimes over Rose and Fournier.

You can see the defensive intensity pick up and we have that to fall back on. So ideally if we end up making a trade you add a offense hub type piece already surrounded with an identity starting with defense. That makes the outlooks so much more bright then just trying to outgun teams when we didn't have the horses to do so and were compromising too much on the defensive end.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#339 » by GONYK » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:00 pm

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its crazy just building an identity has done for a lot of us and the outlook for the team/season.


It really does give a sudden sense of direction in an otherwise aimless season. There's suddenly a clear sense of where they can improve and what they need to maintain for success.


It's finally a framework to evaluate through. We can now say whether Player X fits or not and have a clear sense of what we have vs. what we're missing.
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Re: PG: Knicks Outrebound The Refs 

Post#340 » by mpharris36 » Thu Dec 15, 2022 7:21 pm

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its crazy just building an identity has done for a lot of us and the outlook for the team/season.


It really does give a sudden sense of direction in an otherwise aimless season. There's suddenly a clear sense of where they can improve and what they need to maintain for success.


It's finally a framework to evaluate through. We can now say whether Player X fits or not and have a clear sense of what we have vs. what we're missing.



yup, we always knew we needed another star...but now we can properly evaluate the other guys in what will in theory be there role when the team hopefully does find that next piece...whenever that is. Before it just seemed like we were trying to skip that step and putting together a poorly constructed roster with no vision and waiting for a trade. You can still evaluate while you wait for a trade.
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