Justin Champagnie: "Free me"

[KillerBee]

Kind of off topic but there are quite a handful of guys which we brought in, and all of a sudden they cannot shoot or play like garbage. As much as you all **** on Dragic, I m slowly leaning towards its our system that lead these guys to failure

[kj_]

No one on the bench even celebrates. They're all upset. When they see a guy having 4/20 shooting nights on a consistent basis and still gets played 40+ minutes by the coach, they have every right to be pissed.

Nurse truly is Thibs 2.0

I’m surprised Malachi is still so positive and encouraging on the bench, while continually being done dirty by Nurse.

I'd be sick if I was him because he might very well not be in the league after this contract is over.

He can point to Nurse and Raps and say they ruined my career by not ever giving me a true shot.

He can say that but it won’t be true. He just hasn’t proved he can play yet. That may change but if it doesn’t it’s on him not the raps.


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[C_Money]

Kind of off topic but there are quite a handful of guys which we brought in, and all of a sudden they cannot shoot or play like garbage. As much as you all **** on Dragic, I m slowly leaning towards its our system that lead these guys to failure

Another example is Watanabe shooting the light out in Brooklyn.

[Ell Curry]

Childish, but I can understand it. He could be playing real minutes for a team with no wing/forward depth like the Lakers, Pacers, Pistons, 76ers or Kings.

[KL78192020]

The Raptors will probably cut him at some point this season and then he'll end up on a different gleague team.

Or maybe he will turn it around and help another teams bench like Yuta and Davis.

[HumbleRen]

Kind of off topic but there are quite a handful of guys which we brought in, and all of a sudden they cannot shoot or play like garbage. As much as you all **** on Dragic, I m slowly leaning towards its our system that lead these guys to failure

Iso heavy system.

Role players won’t do well here unless Nurse changes his philosophy.

[KL78192020]

I like Justin but he missed all of camp, has only been back a handful of games and has really shown out the last few.

This is a silly look for a guy that was going to battle for an 11-15th slot from the start.

Well maybe they should just cut him then, doesn't look like its a good match he wants to either play or wants out.

[KO7]

No one on the bench even celebrates. They're all upset. When they see a guy having 4/20 shooting nights on a consistent basis and still gets played 40+ minutes by the coach, they have every right to be pissed.

Nurse truly is Thibs 2.0

I’m surprised Malachi is still so positive and encouraging on the bench, while continually being done dirty by Nurse.

I'd be sick if I was him because he might very well not be in the league after this contract is over.

He can point to Nurse and Raps and say they ruined my career by not ever giving me a true shot.

For real man, I would fantasize about chokeslamming Nurse through a table if I were Malachi… or Eric Flynn. I hope he gets a fair shot elsewhere soon.

[ConSarnit]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Exactly. Casey utilized his young guys, which led to the formation of the Bench Mob, and all of those guys turned out to be good/great players. If Nurse was the coach for Pascal's rookie year, there's no chance he would've played Pascal 15mpg like Casey did.

For sure. I’m mean it’s not like Koloko, an early 2nd rd pick is playing 15mpg already having started 16 games a third of the way through the season.

But no, Nurse definitely wouldn’t have played Siakam, a late 1st rd pick as a rookie.

Let’s all praise Casey for playing Siakam 15min a game as a rookie!!!!!!

Booooo Nick Nurse for playing Koloko, *checks notes*, 16min a game as a rookie?

Feel free to chime in anytime you want to do even 1 second of research before you post something dumb.

[Kevin Willis]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Exactly. Casey utilized his young guys, which led to the formation of the Bench Mob, and all of those guys turned out to be good/great players. If Nurse was the coach for Pascal's rookie year, there's no chance he would've played Pascal 15mpg like Casey did.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/nurse-still-trying-to-find-ways-to-get-raptors-bench-more-involved/

But Nurse caught lightning in a bottle and helped solidify his credentials as an NBA head coaching candidate in 2017-18 on a Raptors team that won a franchise-record 59 games.

A big part of the team's success that season was the work Nurse did cultivating what was likely the best bench unit in Raptors franchise history -- known as the 'bench mob.'

You might remember them: Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, Jakob Poeltl, Delon Wright and the ‘bench dad’ -- veteran shooter CJ Miles. They would routinely change games and occasionally finish them.

When the Cleveland Cavaliers swept the Raptors in the second round leading to Casey’s eventual dismissal, one of the factors that helped Nurse his first NBA head coaching job was the work he’d done bringing along what was then a devastating second unit.

The Raptors would almost run two daily practices that season -- the first a light walkthrough that included the veteran starters, then another high-tempo workout where Nurse would have the youngsters hone their games and an up-tempo, defensively aggressive style that proved to be the harbinger for how the Raptors have played under their current head coach in their post-championship years.

Champagnie is a good player and he will get his chance. He just needs to get his stints, get in proper game shape and be patient. The fact that they kept him over others shows their faith in his development. He needs to be humble, it was only one game.

[ConSarnit]

Kind of off topic but there are quite a handful of guys which we brought in, and all of a sudden they cannot shoot or play like garbage. As much as you all **** on Dragic, I m slowly leaning towards its our system that lead these guys to failure

Iso heavy system.

Role players won’t do well here unless Nurse changes his philosophy.

We run 3 more isos per game than league average. Those possessions are also not going to these mysterious players who forgot how to shoot.

Who forgot how to shoot? Dragic? He played 5 games here. Svi? The guy who has only had 1 season shooting above league average from 3?

Seems like Danny Green, Norm, Trent, OG, Precious and Boucher have done fine here as role players.

Nurse has 1 philosophy: play defense of don’t play.

McCaw: extremely mediocre but would play defense and thus get minutes

Dragic: terrible defensively, got benched right away

Flynn: bad defensively, Nurse won’t play him

Banton: gets occasional run but is one of the worst half court players offensively in the league making him near unplayable. If Banton couldn’t defend he’d be nailed to the bench worse than Flynn

Nurse sets a precedent of “play defense or don’t play”. It sets a tone for this team. Maybe it hurts us but the guys who it has effected (Banton and Flynn) are not good enough elsewhere to have Nurse cut them slack (Banton on O, Flynn on D and being mediocre on O at best). We’ve never had anyone who can test the limits of Nurse (like a prime Lou Will) who is bad defensively but obviously very useful on offense.

[Badonkadonk]

I like Justin but he missed all of camp, has only been back a handful of games and has really shown out the last few.

This is a silly look for a guy that was going to battle for an 11-15th slot from the start.

Well maybe they should just cut him then, doesn't look like its a good match he wants to either play or wants out.

Why would you cut a 21yr prospect with real promise? He's doing exactly what he should be doing, playing heavy minutes and getting an opportunity every game to work on his craft. Better than rotting on the bench with the Raps. He literally improved his shot because of game reps with the 905.

Frankly Koloko should be down there too.

[KL78192020]

I like Justin but he missed all of camp, has only been back a handful of games and has really shown out the last few.

This is a silly look for a guy that was going to battle for an 11-15th slot from the start.

Well maybe they should just cut him then, doesn't look like its a good match he wants to either play or wants out.

Why would you cut a 21yr prospect with real promise? He's doing exactly what he should be doing, playing heavy minutes and getting an opportunity every game to work on his craft. Better than rotting on the bench with the Raps. He literally improved his shot because of game reps with the 905.

Frankly Koloko should be down there too.

Well clearly he's not happy and wants out maybe another team will pick him up. The team is racking up losses and still no giving the youngins a chance.

[Tor_Raps]

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”




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How many guys have developed under Nurse? Fred/Siakam/OG were all given minutes early in their careers when they weren't even that good under Casey.

If Nurse was the coach then, these guys probably wouldn't have even gotten a chance to play through their early career struggles. He needs to be better in this aspect or we need to point out that Masai has failed with half of the roster not being nba calibre. Which is it?

It can be neither. It can be a team that is working on a rebuild. Your expectations are the failure.


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My expectations of a team that won 48 games last year who is practically all young guys getting better was not this, nor was it anyone else's lol.

Now I definitely didn't think we were getting out of the 1st round but didn't expect us to be below .500 at this stage

[DelAbbot]

We should free him

onto the waivers

[WhatsaTDot]

Scrubs gonna scrub.

[Green Backpack]

Release em'

[WaltFrazier]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”

"are seen as" is some sort of vague reputation, but what is the reality of our development since the 2019 title?

[Los_29]

Justin is a guy I do like. I think he can carve out a career in this league because he rebounds at an exceptional rate for his size. He's only shooting 27% from three but his shot doesn't seem broken and he should be able to improve on that.

One of the biggest assets a player can have is health though and Justin has not been able to stay healthy.

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”

"are seen as" is some sort of vague reputation, but what is the reality of our development since the 2019 title?

We have the reigning ROTY.

[ItsDanger]

Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys. It is what it is

Super short leash for young players while Fred pounds the rock and shoots bricks on his way to 40 minutes

Raptors are seen as one the best development teams in the league.

“Nick is not a great coach for developing young guys.”

"are seen as" is some sort of vague reputation, but what is the reality of our development since the 2019 title?

The reality is failure.