Pistons seeking an unprotected 1st rounder for Bey

[bstein14]

From the RealGM wiretap.... Sounds like Weaver might want another shot at VW, even if its a long shot from a team in the late lottery (or play-in game area) if he's specifically wanting only an unprotected 1st for Bey (as opposed to something like a top 4 protected).

The Detroit Pistons are known to be open to making trades. The Pistons have engaged in trade talks for veterans Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel. One surprising player Detroit is open to trading is Saddiq Bey.

However, the Pistons have a big ask in return for Bey. Detroit wants an unprotected first-round pick for the third-year forward.

Bey's role for the Pistons has been in some flux this season. He opened the year as a starter but was moved to the bench when Detroit went to two-big lineups to open games.

Bey has the remainder of this season and next season left on his rookie scale contract. He'll be extension-eligible this summer.

Also from this yahoo report, it seems like the Lakers have likely offered Patrick Beverly, Kendrick Nunn, and a protected 2027 1st round pick for Bojan and it mentions the sticking point on that deal is the protections on the pick. Sounds like Weaver wants it unprotected.

The more we see the young guys rise, the more likely it seems that we'll end up moving Bojan IMO. If we see guys like Stew, Duren, Ivey, Hayes gain more confidence in what they're doing and become more capable players as the season moves forward the need for the safety valve in Bojan becomes a bit less.

[zeebneeb]

Weaver is in the cat birds seat on this one. He has no mandate to win, or trade anyone right now, so he can sit back, state his terms, and teams can take it, or leave it.

Bey, Bojan, and Burks are all pieces with real value that a bunch of teams would love to have. Charlotte lost Miles Bridges, they can replace him with Bey, for the right price. The Lakers window is this year. They can go for it acquiring Bojan&Burks, for the right price.

Same goes for the Pelicans. If they cough up the right things, they as well could add one or more of these pieces, and unlike other teams, they have the assets to land one or more.

GM's know how hard it is to win a title in the NBA, so as the season goes on, the value of this trio will only go up. If I'm the Pelicans, I do whatever it takes to land Bojan, and maybe even the addition of Bey/Burks. They have the means to do so. You add a 20ppg, dead-eye shooter to your bench, who can also play 30+minutes and close games to that roster, well, your looking great.

This is what I'm hopeful for.

[NYPiston]

Weaver isn't getting an unprotected 1st, that's laughable, so it's clear that he doesn't want to trade Bojan which is fine by me.

Hell, I think it might be a longshot to get an unprotected 1st for Bey tbh especially considering that he's on the tail end of his rookie deal.

[buzzkilloton]

Weaver is just postering to drive up price in negotiations.

[Snakebites]

If that’s really his asking price he’s not actually ready to deal him. He’s not getting that and he probably knows it.

Most likely just posturing.

[bstein14]

Weaver isn't getting an unprotected 1st, that's laughable, so it's clear that he doesn't want to trade Bojan which is fine by me.

Hell, I think it might be a longshot to get an unprotected 1st for Bey tbh especially considering that he's on the tail end of his rookie deal.

There are several teams that would not hesitate to give up unprotected firsts for Bey and/or Bojan.... some of them are just the best teams in the league right now so there's no chance its a lottery pick.

[bstein14]

Ok, here's a fun game.... which of these teams would you trade with for their 2023 unprotected first round pick for Bey?

Toronto (playing worse than expected right now)
Atlanta
Indiana (playing better than expected right now)
Miami (playing wosre than expected right now)
New York
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If any of those teams are giving up an unprotected pick for Bey are you rolling the Dice?

[NYPiston]

There are several teams that would not hesitate to give up unprotected firsts for Bey and/or Bojan.... some of them are just the best teams in the league right now so there's no chance its a lottery pick.

If there were several teams offering an unprotected 1st for Bojan, he'd likely be gone by now. Also, we're talking about the 2027 Lakers 1st which is post-Lebron and likely AD too sp that's why they're so hesitant to give it up.

[LSV]

Viewing the regular players on the roster:

Hayes / ... (Cade out for the entire season)
Ivey/Burks
Bojan / Bey
Stewart/Livers (Knox temporarily due to Livers' injury)
Duren/Bagley

Regulars for Casey are 6 Pistons draftees (+ Cade, which looks like a promising future), 2 veteran signings (Bojan and Burks) and 1 still young signing (Bagley), who aren't getting too many wins, and yet they are giving a lot of minutes to the players of the future, so I really believe that Troy does not want to sell anyone, continue like this with this team for this season, and depending on the DRAFT and the FA, try to improve as much as possible to be able to give a jump to PLAY-IN or even PLAY-OFFS next year. It doesn't look like a few more wins are going to sway the overall options over VW, which looks set to be a 4-5 team fight.

Currently Bojan and Burks seem to be helping a lot as veteran players, and the young players are loving them, so only a scandalous offer seems like they would get them out of the team.

Another thing is for players like Noel, Diallo, ..., who don't seem to count for Casey except for temporary injuries to other players. A trade, or a second-round pick could do the trick, although with Diallo I would try a trade with the Knicks for Cam Reddish, even if we have to offer a second-round pick on our part as well, and try it this year to see if he can be part of the future of the team.

And with Bey I have many doubts, it is clear that he will not accept any offer, but he does not seem to fit 100% in the team due to his non-defense, and if he's not ok with the 3, it gets even more complicated. I would like to get a player like Andrew Wiggins, like Cameron Johnson for example, very good 3&D. I say all this thinking that I think we all knew that Bey was going to be a starting player on this team, and that seems to have not worked.

[whitehops]

If that’s really his asking price he’s not actually ready to deal him. He’s not getting that and he probably knows it.

Most likely just posturing.

there's the slight chance that he's trying to pick up a couple extra lottery balls from a cash-strapped team for wembanyama but yeah most likely just posturing. i also have a hard time believing that weaver wants the team to get even younger.

[MotownMadness]

Hes just letting teams know he's starting high in negotiations. No way in hell he thinks hes actually getting that

[Kalamazoo317]

An unprotected first may be what it takes to convince us to actually move Bey (and that's fine by me) but objectively speaking he's not playing well enough to be worth that.

[Billl]

meh. Any pick from a playoff bound team for this year could be unprotected. That doesn't mean it's a big ask. Also, I assume Weaver is looking for picks that will actually convey this year, not ones that have a decent chance of being bumped out a few years. I'm sure he's not delusional enough to think bey is bringing back a high lotto pick this year.

[bstein14]

meh. Any pick from a playoff bound team for this year could be unprotected. That doesn't mean it's a big ask. Also, I assume Weaver is looking for picks that will actually convey this year, not ones that have a decent chance of being bumped out a few years. I'm sure he's not delusional enough to think bey is bringing back a high lotto pick this year.

Yes, I think the hope would be to get an unprotected pick from a team in the play-in range, where you hope they lose the play-in games and then have an every so slight chance at moving up to the top 4 but most likely a pick in the 12-14 range even if they miss the play-in games.

It makes zero sense to move bey for something like the 20th pick in the draft, even though a play-in team could get Bey and go on a winning steak and end up there... you've got to also get the potential of a lottery pick if things go south for that team.

[MortSahlfan]

If Weaver gets an unprotected 1st-rounder for Bey, it's going to be the about the same # Bey was picked at. I really wish he'd get the best defender available, and the rest will develop.

[Mr Peanut]

Wouldn't be surprised if he gets an unprotected first offer from a team which very clearly isn't missing the playoffs. But is a pick somewhere between 20-30 in the first round worth it? Bearing in mind our own second round pick will likely be between 31-34.

[bstein14]

Hayes - Burks - Livers - Bey - Bagley has a chance to be a really solid bench unit next year. All already under contract.

Cade - Ivey - Bojan - Stewart - Duren also already all under contract for next season as starters... even Knox is already under contract and in many instances has looked as good as Bey this season.

The hard part is, you need to make room for another lottery pick and a FA in that rotation so something has got to give we can't just run back the same 10 to 11 guys in the rotation.... Which is why I think one of Bey/Bojan likely will be traded away. One of Burks/Bagley/Livers also potentially on the move before next season because no one is that group is going to be happy being out of the rotation.

[Snakebites]

meh. Any pick from a playoff bound team for this year could be unprotected. That doesn't mean it's a big ask. Also, I assume Weaver is looking for picks that will actually convey this year, not ones that have a decent chance of being bumped out a few years. I'm sure he's not delusional enough to think bey is bringing back a high lotto pick this year.

I always take “unprotected pick” to mean a pick from a team that isn’t a lock to make the playoffs- or else you’re talking about a pick that isn’t this season.

It’s meaningless in the short term for a contending team, but I would assume that’s not what’s being referred to here.

[SuperBad]

I wonder if Washington would do Bey,Burke, and Joseph for Kuzma and Johnny Davis. I don’t think Beys trade value gets any higher than it currently is.

[breezypeezy]

Sweep out any garbage you can Weaver.

Bey never was too special to come off the bench, add in Cojo, Knox, Diallo, Noels, MacGruder to make more room for next years draftees and free agent.

Most of those players are addition by subtraction types. Cumulatively Josh Smith, sweep em out.

All the garbage out for one solid addition or pick, our own picks and a free agent or two and we have a chance to strengthen the roster decently next season.
We cannot stand pat from the lottery level were at.