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Lonzo Ball and The Disabled Player Exception 

Post#1 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:39 am

We haven't talked about the Disabled Player Exception (DPE) yet, because we've all been hopeful that we're going to get Lonzo Ball back but obviously things are trending towards him potentially missing the season.

So let's talk about the DPE and how it can help us:

  • We have until January 15th to apply for a DPE. We cannot apply for it beyond that date. Applying for it (or receiving it) doesn't prohibit Ball from returning if he's able to do so later.

  • If the league approves the request, we will be awarded $9.75m, or half of Ball's salary. They don't always approve it and last year they denied the one we requested after Patrick Williams' injury.

  • The Luxury Tax Apron is at $159.98m giving us room to spend about $9.34m of the DPE before we have to pay lux tax.

  • The DPE can be used to sign a player to a one-year or more accurately a "rest of the year" contract. Given the amount we have, this could potentially be advantageous in the buyout market if we haven't decided to tank by then.

  • But a lesser-known aspect of the DPEs is that they can be used to facilitate trades. We can't pair it with another player (I.E. DPE + Coby White), but we can essentially absorb a single player back in a trade. Also, that player must be on an expiring contract without any option years available. I'm not sure if we can receive assets back like draft considerations but I assume not.


Will we get a huge needle mover back in a trade? Probably not. But for a team with limited trade assets, this DPE could open up some options. Candidates for this type of trade are teams looking to unload disgruntled vets stuck on the end of the bench, teams looking to tank, and teams looking to quickly shed salary.

Some potential players that could fall into this category:

Jae Crowder
Cam Reddish
Dennis Schroeder
Mason Plumlee
Dario Saric
Torey Craig
Mattise Thybulle
Kendrick Nunn
Hamidou Diallo
George Hill
Jeff Green
Ish Smith
JayMychal Green
Trey Burke

Again, no one here is going to individually right this sinking ship but there are players that can be useful or viewed as potential reclamation projects.
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Post#2 » by BullChit » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:24 am

I'd imagine Billy would want Schroeder....

I'd take Torrey Craig
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Post#3 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:43 am

On the buyout side of things, Derrick Rose is actually a guy to watch. He could accept a very aggressive buyout from the Knicks and recover that last amount via our potential DPE.
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Post#4 » by MalagaBulls » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:44 am

BullChit wrote:I'd imagine Billy would want Schroeder....

I'd take Torrey Craig
Was just going to mention Schroeder.
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Post#5 » by Repeat 3-peat » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:57 am

Offensively it would be horrible but the thought of watching Caruso and Thybulle create havoc on defense seems entertaining.
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Post#6 » by Wingy » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:37 pm

They won’t apply if i had to bet. That puts Lonzo on the shelf and the FO is too naive thinking he might actually come back.
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Post#7 » by dougthonus » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:42 pm

Wingy wrote:They won’t apply if i had to bet. That puts Lonzo on the shelf and the FO is too naive thinking he might actually come back.


It doesn't put Lonzo on the shelf. Lonzo could still come back.

The league likely won't grant it if we apply unless new information comes forward that makes it even less likely Lonzo will come back.
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Post#8 » by dougthonus » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:56 pm

If we got a DPE and could use it to get a team out of the tax and gain a pick back, that would be my strategy.
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Post#9 » by Wingy » Fri Dec 16, 2022 12:58 pm

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Wingy wrote:They won’t apply if i had to bet. That puts Lonzo on the shelf and the FO is too naive thinking he might actually come back.


It doesn't put Lonzo on the shelf. Lonzo could still come back.

The league likely won't grant it if we apply unless new information comes forward that makes it even less likely Lonzo will come back.


Right, forgot Homo did note that in the OP. So with that you’d think we’ll at least try it considering we did for Pat in a much clearer medical situation.

The guidelines for granting or not granting seem pretty subjective. Given all we know, I’d hope the evaluators would be more lenient. Presumably top medical professionals have tried multiple surgeries and they still haven’t fixed the problem. The fact even top pros are left scratching their heads points to no clear timeline to return.
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Post#10 » by dougthonus » Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:04 pm

Wingy wrote:Right, forgot Homo did note that in the OP. So with that you’d think we’ll at least try it considering we did for Pat in a much clearer medical situation.

The guidelines for granting or not granting seem pretty subjective. Given all we know, I’d hope the evaluators would be more lenient. Presumably top medical professionals have tried multiple surgeries and they still haven’t fixed the problem. The fact even top pros are left scratching their heads points to no clear timeline to return.


I would think if he is out nearly a year and can't run, that it feels reasonable to grant it to us, but I think they have to feel pretty strongly that he's done for the year.
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Post#12 » by MikeDC » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:43 pm

Good thought, but there are two really big and obvious reasons this won't happen.

1. Using the DPE still adds to team salary. It would put the Bulls over the luxury tax. They aren't going to do that. They knew full well that Ball wasn't progressing in the summer and they didn't do anything because doing anything... even signing another minimum salary guy like Dennis Schroder, would put them over the tax. They signed Dragic, that was their move.

2. If the Bulls apply for a DPE, they cannot later apply to have Lonzo's salary removed from the salary cap if (when :( ) he retires.

CBA FAQ wrote:There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

If the player later "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful.2 If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player's salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team's last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:
  • If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
  • If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
  • A team can only apply for salary exclusion during the original term of a contract. If the player was waived and his salary stretched (see question number 64), the team must apply for the salary exclusion before the contract's original end date.
  • A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
  • If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
  • This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.


In short, the DPE is a non-starter for these two reasons. It will put them over the luxury tax and it will kill the ability to get Ball's contract off the salary cap in the (unfortunately likely) event he can't play anymore.
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Post#13 » by sco » Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:47 pm

MikeDC wrote:Good thought, but there are two really big and obvious reasons this won't happen.

1. Using the DPE still adds to team salary. It would put the Bulls over the luxury tax. They aren't going to do that. They knew full well that Ball wasn't progressing in the summer and they didn't do anything because doing anything... even signing another minimum salary guy like Dennis Schroder, would put them over the tax. They signed Dragic, that was their move.

2. If the Bulls apply for a DPE, they cannot later apply to have Lonzo's salary removed from the salary cap if (when :( ) he retires.

CBA FAQ wrote:There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

If the player later "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful.2 If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player's salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team's last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:
  • If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
  • If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
  • A team can only apply for salary exclusion during the original term of a contract. If the player was waived and his salary stretched (see question number 64), the team must apply for the salary exclusion before the contract's original end date.
  • A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
  • If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
  • This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.


In short, the DPE is a non-starter for these two reasons. It will put them over the luxury tax and it will kill the ability to get Ball's contract off the salary cap in the (unfortunately likely) event he can't play anymore.

Really good points.

So can someone clarify a situation for me. IIRC, if Ball doesn't play this AND next season, can he still exercise the player option for the following year? Is there a reason he doesn't do that if he can't play instead of retiring?
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Re: Lonzo Ball and The Disabled Player Exception 

Post#14 » by MikeDC » Fri Dec 16, 2022 3:33 pm

sco wrote:
MikeDC wrote:Good thought, but there are two really big and obvious reasons this won't happen.

1. Using the DPE still adds to team salary. It would put the Bulls over the luxury tax. They aren't going to do that. They knew full well that Ball wasn't progressing in the summer and they didn't do anything because doing anything... even signing another minimum salary guy like Dennis Schroder, would put them over the tax. They signed Dragic, that was their move.

2. If the Bulls apply for a DPE, they cannot later apply to have Lonzo's salary removed from the salary cap if (when :( ) he retires.

CBA FAQ wrote:There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The team can apply to have the player's salary excluded starting on the first anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, and not before the one-year anniversary of the first regular season game for which the player was on the team's roster under his current contract. If the player played in fewer than 10 games in the last season in which he played, the team can apply on the one-year anniversary of the player's last regular season or playoff game, or 60 days after his last game in the current season, whichever is later.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association, or by a Fitness to Play panel (see question number 62). The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

If the player later "proves the doctors wrong" and resumes his career, then his salary is returned to the team salary when he plays in his 25th game1 in any one season, for any team. This allows a player to attempt to resume his career without affecting his previous team unless his comeback is ultimately successful.2 If the 25th game was a playoff game, then the player's salary is returned to the cap effective on the date of the team's last regular season game (i.e., the returned salary counts toward the luxury tax).

There are a few additional nuances to the salary exclusion:
  • If the player resumes his career and his salary is returned to the team salary, the team can re-apply for the salary exclusion under the same rules (including the rules for the waiting period).
  • If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
  • A team can only apply for salary exclusion during the original term of a contract. If the player was waived and his salary stretched (see question number 64), the team must apply for the salary exclusion before the contract's original end date.
  • A team cannot apply for this salary exclusion if they have applied for a Disabled Player exception (see question number 25) that season, whether the exception was granted or not.
  • If this salary exclusion is granted, the team cannot re-sign or re-acquire the player at any time.
  • This salary exclusion can be used when a player dies while under contract.


In short, the DPE is a non-starter for these two reasons. It will put them over the luxury tax and it will kill the ability to get Ball's contract off the salary cap in the (unfortunately likely) event he can't play anymore.

Really good points.

So can someone clarify a situation for me. IIRC, if Ball doesn't play this AND next season, can he still exercise the player option for the following year? Is there a reason he doesn't do that if he can't play instead of retiring?


Yes and no.

Yes, he can still exercise his PO.

No, the money is guaranteed as long as he takes up the option. So unless he just decides to leave $21.4M on the table out of some sense of honor, he will get the money. There are a couple really important distinctions to make here between what Lonzo is going to be paid and how he counts on the salary cap. The key points are:

1. Lonzo is going to be paid the money his contract guarantees no matter what. The NBA has guaranteed contracts for just this situation.

2. The Career Ending Injury provision of the CBA doesn't change what Lonzo gets paid, it's just a provision to remove Lonzo's salary from the Bulls team salary computation. He would no longer count against the cap, but he will still be paid.

3. The Bulls are probably only paying 20% of his salary at this point. The standard NBA insurance contract probably applies. After missing 40 games (which Lonzo is long past), 80% of the salary he gets for missed times is covered by the insurance policy. That is, of his ~$20M salary this year, the Bulls will pay about $4M if he cannot play the whole year, while insurance will pay the other $16M. His full salary counts against the salary cap however, even though he's mostly being paid by the insurance policy.
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Post#15 » by HomoSapien » Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:47 pm

MikeDC wrote:Good thought, but there are two really big and obvious reasons this won't happen.

1. Using the DPE still adds to team salary. It would put the Bulls over the luxury tax.


Shoot, I was looking at the projected luxury tax threshold for next season. Still, if Spotract is accurate, we should have $1.7m to play around with. Not great, but it's something.

2. If the Bulls apply for a DPE, they cannot later apply to have Lonzo's salary removed from the salary cap if (when :( ) he retires.


I don't think this will come into play, even in a worst-case scenario. It seems very unlikely that he'd decide to retire this season. If it happens sometime next year (which in itself seems like a quick escalation to a retirement), he'd be a big expiring contract heading into the 2024-25 season.
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Post#16 » by dougthonus » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:15 pm

HomoSapien wrote:
MikeDC wrote:Good thought, but there are two really big and obvious reasons this won't happen.

1. Using the DPE still adds to team salary. It would put the Bulls over the luxury tax.


Shoot, I was looking at the projected luxury tax threshold for next season. Still, if Spotract is accurate, we should have $1.7m to play around with. Not great, but it's something.


Do we not already have that amount left with unused portion of the MLE?
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Post#17 » by Michael Jackson » Sat Dec 17, 2022 7:36 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:
MikeDC wrote:Good thought, but there are two really big and obvious reasons this won't happen.

1. Using the DPE still adds to team salary. It would put the Bulls over the luxury tax.


Shoot, I was looking at the projected luxury tax threshold for next season. Still, if Spotract is accurate, we should have $1.7m to play around with. Not great, but it's something.


Do we not already have that amount left with unused portion of the MLE?



We do... That all being said does Long's half salary come off the tax books? I doubt it but that would be the only way we get more for the threshold.
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Post#18 » by MikeDC » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:37 pm

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HomoSapien wrote:
Shoot, I was looking at the projected luxury tax threshold for next season. Still, if Spotract is accurate, we should have $1.7m to play around with. Not great, but it's something.


Do we not already have that amount left with unused portion of the MLE?



We do... That all being said does Long's half salary come off the tax books? I doubt it but that would be the only way we get more for the threshold.


No. That's the catch. Currently insurance pays 80% of his salary but he's fully on the books.

If the Bulls waive him and apply for the career ending medical exclusion (and it's granted), he comes completely off the books. Obviously waiving him can't be undone, so the Bulls have to have a pretty good idea of what's going to happen before they do this.
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Post#19 » by Taj FTW » Sat Jul 1, 2023 12:35 am

So is this an option during the off-season?
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Post#20 » by sco » Sat Jul 1, 2023 12:38 am

Taj FTW wrote:So is this an option during the off-season?

It is, BUT (correct me if I am wrong) I don't think it will help keep us under the tax, which may end-up negating it's value.
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