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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#321 » by pcbothwel » Thu Dec 8, 2022 12:45 am

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Assuming things stay where they are for the both Kuz and the Wiz, if they don’t sell off assets and double down by signing Kuz. I’m done.
I’ve taken time away from following the team, and I don’t watch their games like used to. But that would be the nail in the coffin.


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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#322 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Dec 8, 2022 12:51 am

pcbothwel, you already know how this ends. They’re double downing. The double bottom. Their moves are guaranteed to be less than satisfactory. I know they do the opposite of what I want…

“I wish I knew how to quit you.”



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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#323 » by pcbothwel » Thu Dec 8, 2022 12:55 am

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pcbothwel wrote:...Kuz is having his best year ....

Just a side comment -- Kuz is certainly NOT having his best year. & it's not even close. He isn't nearly as good as he was last year. & last year he wasn't quite as good as he was his last year in LA.

Kuz is a well-below average scorer for a 4. This year, his TS% is a little bit up from last year -- from .546 to .551. That's on @ a 15% jump in usage.

Before you respond, "that's good," please recall that the average this year for an NBA 4 is .587. That's average, not good.

Good only starts when you're better than average. & when a guy who is below average shoots more, he is hurting your team's chances to win game. Hurting not helping. Compared to an average player at his position, he lowers the teams chance of turning a possession into points.

Then there is the other half -- actually getting possessions & taking them to the point where you actually get a chance to score (i.e. take a shot).

In this too, Kuz is way worse than an average 4. Add up his steals & offensive boards & subtract his turnovers. The result per 40 minutes is -1.33. The average 40 minute result for an NBA PF this year is +.75.

In both these areas, Kuz was better last year than this.

Man. You really honed in on a throw away line, when my post was about me wanting to trade Kuz.
Fact is, Kuz has had an increase in minutes, usage and role from his days in LAL. You can’t point to efficiency numbers all you like, but it’s clear Kuz has expanded his game across the board offensively in an era that values versatility.
Again, my post was simply to convey that there is no time like the present to move him. That’s all


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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#324 » by Benjammin » Thu Dec 8, 2022 12:27 pm

Kuz is good enough to just lose with, but he looks good doing it and seems like a nice guy. That's good enough for the Wizards to re-sign him to a big deal and keep their "big 3" together.
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Post#325 » by TGW » Thu Dec 8, 2022 12:48 pm

Just when you thought this franchise couldn't get even more embarassing than it already is. Wow.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#326 » by Wizardspride » Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:38 pm

Kuz is my guy but if he genuinely wants out, we should oblige him.

At one point I would have been satisfied with a 1st rd pick but I think we should get greedy and ask for more. :dontknow:

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#328 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:12 pm

"Hunting shots" is accurate. But I wouldn't say "he is not passing". I think Kuzma is a willing passer, albeit a turnover-prone one.

Kuzma's issue isn't really selfishness. It's recklessness. He tries to force the issue every time he gets the ball. Sometimes, the smart play is just to swing the ball to the next guy who might be in better position to attack. But with Kuzma, when the ball swings to him, he is going to attack. That said, his attacks don't always mean he will shoot. He's a willing passer if he sees a guy wide open (or even if he isn't really wide open, lol).

In a way, it's kinda like Westbrook. Westbrook has led the league in assists, so it's pretty hard to accuse him of being a bad passer. But at the same time, he wants to always be the guy who is making the play, which made him predictable and therefore turnover prone.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#329 » by doclinkin » Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:04 pm

That Mazzulla assessment on the Wiz is mostly backwards anyway.

Avidja: "47% from 3. Mostly other players make plays for him".
Troy Brown Jr was assessed as a "Good 3pt shooter. Shoots 3 and lay-ups".
And calls Rui a "great cutter from the corners".
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#330 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Dec 16, 2022 6:40 pm

Benjammin wrote:Kuz is good enough to just lose with, but he looks good doing it and seems like a nice guy. That's good enough for the Wizards to re-sign him to a big deal and keep their "big 3" together.


Kuz is ALSO good enough to win with. Rip Hamilton was a Wizard.

I posted a lot. Don’t want to waste energy in comparison explaining Kuz similar talent level to WIZARDS Rip.

Pistons Rip expanded his shooting range, got more FTAs, and thanks to Tayshaun Prince and both Ben and Rasheed Wallace, Hamilton wasn’t a slouch defender any longer.

Kuz, LIKE OTTO PORTER, I value MORE than Beal.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#331 » by FAH1223 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:45 am

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Kuz says he isn’t asking out and that asking for trades is very immature. Says he knows the Wizards highly value him and that him opting out is the smart business decision as he is worth more than $15M per season on the market.

Wes says he wants to keep Kuz, obviously.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#332 » by gambitx777 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 4:20 am

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Kuz says he isn’t asking out and that asking for trades is very immature. Says he knows the Wizards highly value him and that him opting out is the smart business decision as he is worth more than $15M per season on the market.

Wes says he wants to keep Kuz, obviously.
The smart thing to do would be to trade him. IMO I like him but if he doesn't want an extension then move on.

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#333 » by FAH1223 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:04 am

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Kuz says he isn’t asking out and that asking for trades is very immature. Says he knows the Wizards highly value him and that him opting out is the smart business decision as he is worth more than $15M per season on the market.

Wes says he wants to keep Kuz, obviously.
The smart thing to do would be to trade him. IMO I like him but if he doesn't want an extension then move on.

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Signing an extension doesn’t make sense for him as he knows he can get more opting out and going to free agency.

Indeed, the rules for veteran-player contract extensions set forth in the collective bargaining agreement along with Kuzma’s current salary make it wholly unrealistic for the sides to reach an extension.

The collective bargaining agreement allows a team to extend a veteran player’s contract, of course, but it also places limits on the starting salary in the first year of the extension. In Kuzma’s case, the highest beginning salary in the first season of an extension would be 120 percent of his salary in the final year of his current contract.

Since Kuzma’s contract calls for him to earn $13 million this season and includes a player option worth $13 million for the 2023-24 season, the highest beginning salary Kuzma could receive in the first season of a Wizards extension would be $15.6 million.

Kuzma then would be allowed to receive annual raises of up to 8 percent of his first-year salary (in his case, raises of approximately $1.25 million per year). That would mean the most money he could earn in a four-year extension would be a total of $69.9 million, as outlined below.

What a Kuzma extension would look like
SEASON SALARY
2023-24
$15,600,000

2024-25
$16,848,000

2025-26
$18,096,000

2026-27
$19,344,000

Total
$69,888,000

If Kuzma declines his player option for 2023-24 — as he almost certainly will — he would enter unrestricted free agency and would be able to sign a new deal in which his first-year salary could be worth up to 25 percent of the salary cap.

Some rival executives believe Kuzma would command between $20 million to $25 million per season in a new free-agent deal, The Athletic reported early last week. If those estimates are accurate, a new four-year deal for Kuzma could be worth between $80 million and $100 million — much higher dollar amounts than an extension.


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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#334 » by FAH1223 » Sat Dec 17, 2022 8:03 pm

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#336 » by nate33 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:12 am

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I'd be really happy if Kuzma would sign a 4-year $78M deal as described in the article. But I think that's a pretty low estimate. I expect something closer to 4 years $100M.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#337 » by leswizards » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:43 am

Last year, the wizards were 35-47, and Kyle Kuzma was 2nd in mpg and total minutes played. This year, they are 12-20, and he is first in mpg, and total minutes played. What anybody sees in this guy to justify their belief that he is good is beyond me. In fact, Wes jr’s obsession with keeping this guy on the court is the single biggest reason that the Wizards don’t have a better record the past 2 seasons.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#338 » by Dolevi » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:50 am

leswizards wrote:Last year, the wizards were 35-47, and Kyle Kuzma was 2nd in mpg and total minutes played. This year, they are 12-20, and he is first in mpg, and total minutes played. What anybody sees in this guy to justify their belief that he is good is beyond me. In fact, Wes jr’s obsession with keeping this guy on the court is the single biggest reason that the Wizards don’t have a better record the past 2 seasons.

Very good offensive talent. Bad decision maker. Can't play and lead us as a PG. Still he knows how to score, not sure about his defense. Reckless and has a tendency for stupid TO. I'd make a trade on him and bringing some PG. Someone who can play defense, create for himself and also pass the ball if needed. Especially now when his value is up.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#339 » by nate33 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:58 pm

leswizards wrote:Last year, the wizards were 35-47, and Kyle Kuzma was 2nd in mpg and total minutes played. This year, they are 12-20, and he is first in mpg, and total minutes played. What anybody sees in this guy to justify their belief that he is good is beyond me. In fact, Wes jr’s obsession with keeping this guy on the court is the single biggest reason that the Wizards don’t have a better record the past 2 seasons.

Kuzma has the best on/off differential on the team. It's pretty difficult to argue that he is the reason why the record is so lousy. When Kuzma is on the court, the Wizards have a -0.3 point differential - basically a .500 team. When Kuzma is off the court, the Wizards have a -7.3 point differential, which would rank 29th, ahead of only the hapless San Antonio Spurs.

I recognize that Kuzma has flaws as a player and that his counting stats probably overrate his impact, but this notion that he is the problem with the team is silly.
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Re: The Official Kyle Kuzma Thread 

Post#340 » by nate33 » Wed Dec 21, 2022 2:03 pm

Over the last 15 games, Kuzma is averaging 24.8 points, 7.2 rebounds, 3.9 assists and 2.8 turnovers in 37 minutes a game with a TS% of .572 and a 3P% of .378. If that TS% climbed to .600 or so, that would be All-Star caliber production.

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