Silver wants a female coach in the league...

[CS707]

It’s marketing drivel by Silver. The rage nowadays is to proclaim you want gender equality in order to score points. He probably wants to appear progressive to distract from the recent Kyrie controversy and ensure the league is viewed favourably.

You could claim that part of the Jackie Robinson hire back in the day was a form of that in some aspects. He faced massive backlash from fans and opposing teams, including racial slurs in game. He was a hell of a player though and clearly deserved to be in it. Just because most woman probably would not make a good head coach doesn't mean none of them are qualified.

It's just funny seeing no one bat an eyelash at any ethnicity of man getting the job but any woman and it's a huge deal.

Because it's a mens league.

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

[ShulaDon92]

You could claim that part of the Jackie Robinson hire back in the day was a form of that in some aspects. He faced massive backlash from fans and opposing teams, including racial slurs in game. He was a hell of a player though and clearly deserved to be in it. Just because most woman probably would not make a good head coach doesn't mean none of them are qualified.

It's just funny seeing no one bat an eyelash at any ethnicity of man getting the job but any woman and it's a huge deal.

Because it's a mens league.

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

[bluemj32]

Because it's a mens league.

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

I don't know about that, there are definitely similarities. And as a minority father who has daughters who, I under the history and plight that women have had too.
Overall, I think a management role initially will probably come first, but to say it's just a man's league is much. We're not talking players

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[ShulaDon92]

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

I don't know about that, there are definitely similarities. And as a minority father who has daughters who, I under the history and plight that women have had too.
Overall, I think a management role initially will probably come first, but to say it's just a man's league is much. We're not talking players

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But this is a mens basketball league.

I studied Mary Wollstonecraft, i know feminist ideals.

Its a men's basketball league.

This is unarguable.

[CS707]

Because it's a mens league.

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

At one point black and white were completely different constructs in respect to athletics (and more, obviously) too. And look, we probably agree in a general sense. I’m skeptical about how well the female coach in a male sport dynamic will actually work and don’t particularly see the need to push the issue. But I’m also guessing that back in Jackie’s day, there were people that were just as skeptical about how racial integration was going to work too. As a cynic I expect Silver sees it as inevitable and is just trying to put himself on the right side of history.

[danvato]

lets have a female 6th man first.

[Lockdown504090]

Adam Silver wants a female head coach in the league now. How do you guys feel about that. Is Silver too woke?

There's not even enough female coaches in the WNBA why should we have one in the men's league?

Your thoughts, please...

Define woke

Good question. I think woke can be many things but at its foundation I think its just an idealistic way of thinking. A push for ideal equality and values and being woken to oppression and injustice.

Sometimes the ideal can clash with the real.

Ideal values may not fit into a practical situation.

That's the problem with idealism overall.

then, no. i think becky jenny boucek, teressa witherspoon diana turasci, kristi toliver, and sue bird are all either qualified now to coach an nba team, or will be in the next five years. many players currently have been coached by women at some point in their careers, I see many female assistant coaches on boys prep/aau teams over the last 5 years or so, all those guys are in the nba now. 3 of those women have lots of nba experience, one has been really close in becky, and bird/diana could probably do it after being assistants for a couple years.

If you want to take what silver said in the worst way, its " we just need a woman coaching a team" or you could take it as" we need to help build up women so that they can be qualified to compete for head coaching jobs" just depends on your mindset as an individual.

All the nba needs to do is scare the living hell out of men and women for workplace misconduct so that they can actually work without having josh primo, udoka, dallas mavs, or phoenix suns situations happening (regardless of whos fault each situation was) those are all within like or 3 years.

[monopoman]

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

At one point black and white were completely different constructs in respect to athletics (and more, obviously) too. And look, we probably agree in a general sense. I’m skeptical about how well the female coach in a male sport dynamic will actually work and don’t particularly see the need to push the issue. But I’m also guessing that back in Jackie’s day, there were people that were just as skeptical about how racial integration was going to work too. As a cynic I expect Silver sees it as inevitable and is just trying to put himself on the right side of history.

Most whites thought in that era that the Black man while they might have some physical attributes were not smart enough to compete in a white man's league. This was also further supported by most religious text pushing the narrative that the white race was superior because Jesus was one. While this **** is laughable and considered completely racist in the year 2022 this was a far more common thought process in 1940's America.

The parallels here are completely on point, the only difference is women are not persecuted at the level of black men were in that era. Basically it's saying that the players will never respect her, or that a man has a better framework to be a head coach it's ridiculous. It's claiming that a dick is what is required to get the respect from the players which I find beyond stupid.

[Patches Perry]

The irony is that there is a systemic bias against women in NBA coaching, but it's created mostly by the campaign or push to make people aware of the systemic bias against women in NBA coaching. It is believed that the awareness will act as a means to correct it, but it seems to be doing the opposite due to the revolving door nature of NBA coaching.

In other words, most teams want a great coach yes, and plenty of women can be that, but teams also want a disposable coach because that's just the nature of NBA coaching. You can't fire players so you fire coaches, and the PR from firing the first woman coach is a strong disincentive against hiring the that woman coach to begin with.

[CS707]

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

At one point black and white were completely different constructs in respect to athletics (and more, obviously) too. And look, we probably agree in a general sense. I’m skeptical about how well the female coach in a male sport dynamic will actually work and don’t particularly see the need to push the issue. But I’m also guessing that back in Jackie’s day, there were people that were just as skeptical about how racial integration was going to work too. As a cynic I expect Silver sees it as inevitable and is just trying to put himself on the right side of history.

Most whites thought in that era that the Black man while they might have some physical attributes were not smart enough to compete in a white man's league. This was also further supported by most religious text pushing the narrative that the white race was superior because Jesus was one. While this **** is laughable and considered completely racist in the year 2022 this was a far more common thought process in 1940's America.

The parallels here are completely on point, the only difference is women are not persecuted at the level of black men were in that era. Basically it's saying that the players will never respect her, or that a man has a better framework to be a head coach it's ridiculous. It's claiming that a dick is what is required to get the respect from the players which I find beyond stupid.

That was my point. What was unimaginable all those years ago seems like a no brainer today. You’re over simplifying with the d**k comment though. I hope you realize that.

[TinmanZBoy]

It is easy, Kerr announces she is a woman it solves all problem and disappointment … not only will they have the first female head coach, but also have LGBTQ representaion

[picc]

What he actually said:

Read on Twitter

"If I were out looking to hire a coach right now, I'd say there's a market irregularity, there's clearly a bias in the system against women," Silver said. "Now part of it is there's no shortcuts to developing a new pool of candidates, and that's what we're going through now. That's I think why you're seeing, you know, seven female assistants because still you want people to be developed, to come up the ranks, to sort of learn the profession, learn it in the assistant ranks and then work their way up.

"But so, I don't want to put a precise number on it. I'd say, I would be hugely disappointed if, certainly, in five years, we haven't seen our first female head coach in the NBA."

This is pretty ridiculous though.

What he could have said, that would have been equally as complimentary to women while not insulting the integrity of every hire in the next five years, would have been:

"NBA franchises do and should make the best decisions for their team, and so far those decisions have meant a unanimous hiring of male coaches, all of whom are qualified to the standard the team sets. If the trend continues, it will be because these teams continue to select those they deem most qualified, from a pool that is overwhelmingly filled with men.

However, it would make me happy to see a women selected for one of these positions, as it would mean more women are making themselves available for selection, and are proving that gender is not an debilitating factor to becoming qualified to coach NBA players. It would also be a momentous occasion in NBA history, and just be very, very cool to see."

That would have been great. Instead, he just diminished the integrity of every male head coach hire in the next half decade, regardless of their background or qualification, to get brownie points from god knows who.

[ShulaDon92]

If the brightest bball minds are female then so be it. Let a female head coach coach in this men's basketball league.

I want to see a dominant wnba coach be good enough to crossover to nba and vice versa even.

[ShulaDon92]

The nba is a mens basketball league and remains a mens basketball league until Griner joins the Lakers and dunks on Wembanyama.

[Ballerhogger]

Becky could of been one by now but it will come... If it fails then what?

[YogurtProducer]

Becky could of been one by now but it will come... If it fails then what?

If it fails you move on and the next time a good female candidate appears you hire her.

Seriously - a dozen men can be fired and no one askes if they were no good because of their gender. A woman could be hired and absolutely suck, but it wont be because she is a girl.

[ShulaDon92]

Becky could of been one by now but it will come... If it fails then what?

If it fails you move on and the next time a good female candidate appears you hire her.

Seriously - a dozen men can be fired and no one askes if they were no good because of their gender. A woman could be hired and absolutely suck, but it wont be because she is a girl.

Well she should be expected to be genius level if we are to hire someone that's going to break barriers. That's the kicker, right? So good she cooked the boys?

Could she be mediocre? Why her in mediocrity?

[YogurtProducer]

Becky could of been one by now but it will come... If it fails then what?

If it fails you move on and the next time a good female candidate appears you hire her.

Seriously - a dozen men can be fired and no one askes if they were no good because of their gender. A woman could be hired and absolutely suck, but it wont be because she is a girl.

Well she should be expected to be genius level if we are to hire someone that's going to break barriers. That's the kicker, right? So good she cooked the boys?

So we shouldn't ever give a female a chance unless she is a genius, whereas men can be coaches when they are not genius'?

[ShulaDon92]

If it fails you move on and the next time a good female candidate appears you hire her.

Seriously - a dozen men can be fired and no one askes if they were no good because of their gender. A woman could be hired and absolutely suck, but it wont be because she is a girl.

Well she should be expected to be genius level if we are to hire someone that's going to break barriers. That's the kicker, right? So good she cooked the boys?

So we shouldn't ever give a female a chance unless she is a genius, whereas men can be coaches when they are not genius'?

You wrote fast. I was having the same notion as i edited it.


Could she be mediocre? Why her in mediocrity?

[YogurtProducer]

Well she should be expected to be genius level if we are to hire someone that's going to break barriers. That's the kicker, right? So good she cooked the boys?

So we shouldn't ever give a female a chance unless she is a genius, whereas men can be coaches when they are not genius'?

You wrote fast. I was having the same notion as i edited it.


Could she be mediocre? Why her in mediocrity?

Well of course she could be mediocre… any coach you hire is a gamble and no guarantee they’re gonna be great. Why do we have this worry when a woman is discussed and not a man?