2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[_NoMas]

If Giannis plays enough games he's a runaway winner.

Nearly top of the East with their second best player out all season till the last week.

There's no other player that dominates both ends of the floor and simultaneously puts fear into opponents, also on both ends.

He plays in pretty good team too, 4:1 without him.

It does feel like Giannis gets some favourable treatment on this forum. Tatum or Embiid has a bad game or two and they get written off. Giannis has lost 2 of his last 3, averaging just under 21 a game in that stretch and shooting 37.5% from the field (small sample size, granted). Meanwhile, whilst he continues to load manage, his team is now 4-1 without him… and the narrative is still that he’s dominating in a really poor/injured team, and should be the MVP front runner??

[eyeatoma]

If Giannis plays enough games he's a runaway winner.

Nearly top of the East with their second best player out all season till the last week.

There's no other player that dominates both ends of the floor and simultaneously puts fear into opponents, also on both ends.

He plays in pretty good team too, 4:1 without him.

It does feel like Giannis gets some favourable treatment on this forum. Tatum or Embiid has a bad game or two and they get written off. Giannis has lost 2 of his last 3, averaging just under 21 a game in that stretch and shooting 37.5% from the field (small sample size, granted). Meanwhile, whilst he continues to load manage, his team is now 4-1 without him… and the narrative is still that he’s dominating in a really poor/injured team, and should be the MVP front runner??

Thank you, this!

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[Infinite Llamas]

As I said earlier, Giannis is having his worst year since 2017 and his efficiency has plummeted. His defense has been subpar too. I was watching the Memphis game and he was ball watching and just looked disinterested.

People are blinded by that 9-0 start but he hasn’t really been that great since then and it boggles my mind why people still think he’s the favorite? Maybe they think he’ll figure it out…I’m convinced his knee is really bothering him and playing basketball all summer long only made the issue worse. Regardless, I doubt he reaches 70 games played and that’s usually a prerequisite.

[eyeatoma]

As I said earlier, Giannis is having his worst year since 2017 and his efficiency has plummeted. His defense has been subpar too. I was watching the Memphis game and he was ball watching and just looked disinterested.

People are blinded by that 9-0 start but he hasn’t really been that great since then and it boggles my mind why people still think he’s the favorite? Maybe they think he’ll figure it out…I’m convinced his knee is really bothering him and playing basketball all summer long only made the issue worse. Regardless, I doubt he reaches 70 games played and that’s usually a prerequisite.

Yeah he does seem to be having issues with the knee. Bucks seemed to have staved it off the last few years but I recall it being the reason he's rested in past seasons.

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[Sharkboy242]

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This is an awesome and insightful list. If Luka gets the Mavs to a respectable racord/seed… he’s clearly the MVP.

[eyeatoma]

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This is an awesome and insightful list. If Luka gets the Mavs to a respectable racord/seed… he’s clearly the MVP.

Straw poll has Tatum, what is interesting is that he's no where near the top.

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[BmanInBigD]

Shoutout to Booker dropping 58 on 21/35 FG and 10/15 FT. (Could have gotten 60 if he didn’t miss so many FTs)

And he could have only had 20 if he hadn't made so many of those other shots. Either way, he doesn't belong in the MVP conversation IMO.

[Sharkboy242]

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This is an awesome and insightful list. If Luka gets the Mavs to a respectable racord/seed… he’s clearly the MVP.

Straw poll has Tatum, what is interesting is the he's no where near the top.

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I think at this point there’s too much emphasis placed on narrative. There’s no denying that Tatum is being bolstered by the strong play of the Celtics. I wouldn’t get too worked up about what the perception is now though, there’s still a long way to go. The rankings will continue to shift, embiid will get his credit.

[Exp0sed]

Shoutout to Booker dropping 58 on 21/35 FG and 10/15 FT. (Could have gotten 60 if he didn’t miss so many FTs)

And he could have only had 20 if he hadn't made so many of those other shots. Either way, he doesn't belong in the MVP conversation IMO.

broke Embiid's and Trae young's record for chucking this season
they both attempted 32 FGA once, which was the highest - Booker chucked 35!

21/35 just like Embiid's 20-32 is nice but nothing to write home about

just alot of shots

[eyeatoma]

Shoutout to Booker dropping 58 on 21/35 FG and 10/15 FT. (Could have gotten 60 if he didn’t miss so many FTs)

And he could have only had 20 if he hadn't made so many of those other shots. Either way, he doesn't belong in the MVP conversation IMO.

broke Embiid's and Trae young's record for chucking this season
they both attempted 32 FGA once, which was the highest - Booker chucked 35!

21/35 just like Embiid's 20-32 is nice but nothing to write home about

just alot of shots

To get nearly 60, you need a lot of shots. That's how it works. Lol, it's either that or free throws. Or just a bunch of 3s. That's how scoring works.

Are you trolling at this point?

[Exp0sed]

And he could have only had 20 if he hadn't made so many of those other shots. Either way, he doesn't belong in the MVP conversation IMO.

broke Embiid's and Trae young's record for chucking this season
they both attempted 32 FGA once, which was the highest - Booker chucked 35!

21/35 just like Embiid's 20-32 is nice but nothing to write home about

just alot of shots

To get nearly 60, you need a lot of shots. That's how it works. Lol, it's either that or free throws. Or just a bunch of 3s. That's how scoring works.

Are you trolling at this point?

seems like we are 100% in agreement
to get nearly 60, you need a lot of shots

[_NoMas]

So Celtics are an unstoppable juggernaut and we have to question Tatums value to the Celtics? Got it…

[greekbuck34]

So Celtics are an unstoppable juggernaut and we have to question Tatums value to the Celtics? Got it…

They lost easier than that with Tatum against the same team in the previous game. They are too depended on 3s. If it's not a turnover and a dunk/layup in the transition it will always be a 3 pointer except a few highly contested midrange fadeaways from Brown that somehow he always hits this season. No matter what they play the same basketball with or without Tatum. Drive and kick for a 3pt.

[grumpysaddle]

broke Embiid's and Trae young's record for chucking this season
they both attempted 32 FGA once, which was the highest - Booker chucked 35!

21/35 just like Embiid's 20-32 is nice but nothing to write home about

just alot of shots

To get nearly 60, you need a lot of shots. That's how it works. Lol, it's either that or free throws. Or just a bunch of 3s. That's how scoring works.

Are you trolling at this point?

seems like we are 100% in agreement
to get nearly 60, you need a lot of shots

The only reason Booker shot that many times is because the rest of his team was struggling and behind by 24 in the 3rd quarter. He put the team on his back and singlehandedly brought them back into the game. He needs the consistency, but if he can find it, he absolutely belongs in the MVP discussion. Stop trolling.

[Decipher]

Nets needed KD to go nuclear to beat the Pistons

Not surprising when your next best player is ranked a lowly 66

Get this man some help

[bradybunch]

Jokic.

Close the thread.

[ty 4191]

Jokic 40/27/10 tonight. And, yes, you read that correctly.

Last time someone put up that line like that was March 18th, 1968!!!!!!!!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196803180PHI.html?__hstc=205977932.871511d19b8460d2730f92f4ce0b3d20.1663627401282.1671410277991.1671419761889.157&__hssc=205977932.3.1671419761889&__hsfp=3295102214

[eyeatoma]

Amazing game, very young season. If he can get them to the first seed he has a chance to 3 peat. It'll be hard though. LeBron didn't 3 peat and he deserved it.

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[scrabbarista]

Jokic 40/27/10 tonight. And, yes, you read that correctly.

Last time someone put up that line like that was March 18th, 1968!!!!!!!!

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196803180PHI.html?__hstc=205977932.871511d19b8460d2730f92f4ce0b3d20.1663627401282.1671410277991.1671419761889.157&__hssc=205977932.3.1671419761889&__hsfp=3295102214

Two games ago he had 43/14/8/5. That's never been done, but no one made a peep about it.

And tonight he was +20 in 40 minutes while the team was -16 in the eight minutes he sat.

[rocketsfan100]

If Denver finishes top 3 in the west( likely) Jokic keeps his current play I say he should be at worst co favorites with Tatum. At worst….I fear there will be voter fatigue and they will screw him