OKC Thunder 2022-23 Regular Season Discussion

Post #601 » by **slick_watts** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 8:05 pm

small addendum: dort has been at another level this season, drawing 2.07 non-charge offensive fouls per 100 possessions. this aligns with what i've been noticing as an increased effort to draw these on screens, abusing the screener's hips and leading leg being turned out even a little bit. is he gambling too much on these? hard to know. but if lu dort alone was an nba team this year, he'd rank 7th on non-charge offensive fouls drawn per possession. i think that's a bit insane.

Devilanche · Post #602 » by **Devilanche** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:35 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:
Devilanche wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Can you explain why Jalen is severely overrated?

I’m guessing cause he won rookie of the month ? The one we didn’t celebrate .

And Giddey won three times "The Rookie of the month" last season before beeing injured.

We did celebrate those abit more I guess ?
But honestly all we want is see the player improve pre and post all stars break .

Devilanche · Post #603 » by **Devilanche** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:39 pm

slick_watts wrote:small addendum: dort has been at another level this season, drawing 2.07 non-charge offensive fouls per 100 possessions. this aligns with what i've been noticing as an increased effort to draw these on screens, abusing the screener's hips and leading leg being turned out even a little bit. is he gambling too much on these? hard to know. but if lu dort alone was an nba team this year, he'd rank 7th on non-charge offensive fouls drawn per possession. i think that's a bit insane.

I’m wondering how much this is related to him having quite a higher usage over the years but statistically not sure if it can be explained away by teams that faced the tanking thunders just don’t give 100% but at the moment they are getting beat by dort they instinctively react and hence the foul come ?

Edit : not sure if I’m making sense

Post #604 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:42 pm

I don't think Jalen is THAT good but our team is so bad that he's already our second best scorer. He's the only one with Mann outside of Shai that can create his own shot but he's way more efficient than Mann. His 3pt% is terrible but small sample size and there's no reason to think that it won't improve (he was shooting well in college).
His ceiling isn't sky high but he will likely end up being a solid starter and a top 7-10 player from last draft so that's pretty good already.

Post #605 » by **Dadouv47** » Wed Dec 14, 2022 11:45 pm

Read on Twitter

Not good but I was worried it could be worse. JRE got really unlucky with injuries.

Post #606 » by **ThunderBolt** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:06 pm

I missed the game last night. Just looking at the box score I saw Mann was a -18 in 5 mts. Did he just get targeted or part of a bigger lineup that struggled? Giddey’s numbers look good. Did the eye test match?

Post #607 » by **slick_watts** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:39 pm

defensively, i think the main issue is how bad the team is on the perimeter when it comes to rotations and discpline. size is a problem obviously. lack of rim protection in a lot of lineups. but it's not the only issue. the team is last in defensive rebounding, but the splits here are interesting. they are dead last by a mile in opponent offensive rebound % off three point misses (30.64%), but only 21st in opponent orb% off 2pt misses. the team gives up the 3rd highest frequency of corner threes in the nba,

this all aligns with what i believe i see on the court, which is a team that is decent at contesting shots in front of them, preventing rim attempts and direct penetration towards the rim, but is terrible at defensive rotations and positioning when the ball starts moving and help defense is required anywhere away from the point of attack. if there's a help defender that has to get back out to the perimeter after the ball moves, the opponent is probably getting a quality shot some place.

as such a young team this is all expected.

Post #608 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 5:39 pm

Read on Twitter

Hope Dieng can play a decent amount of minutes.

Post #609 » by **Dadouv47** » Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:06 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hope Dieng can play a decent amount of minutes.

Read on Twitter

Post #610 » by **ThunderBolt** » Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:15 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hope Dieng can play a decent amount of minutes.

Read on Twitter

Why not?

Post #611 » by **Dadouv47** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:32 am

Refs killing us lately (at least it's good for our draft odds).

Post #612 » by **ThunderBolt** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 1:18 pm

Seeing some improvement from Giddey. I just absolutely love J Dub. Dort is really having a poor year.

Spoiler:

Mr Thunder Nick · Post #613 » by **Mr Thunder Nick** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 2:41 pm

SGA too selfish at the moment. Hopes that he will not become a stats-player like Russel W.

Post #614 » by **slick_watts** » Sat Dec 17, 2022 6:44 pm

Mr Thunder Nick wrote:SGA too selfish at the moment. Hopes that he will not become a stats-player like Russel W.

he's been at 35-38% usage and 63% ts in fourth quarters and overtimes this season. he should be initiating the offense and doing what he wants out there considering the talent around him. russell westbrook was never anywhere close to as efficient as shai, please do not compare them. shai is closer to kd in this regard.

QPR · Post #615 » by **QPR** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:40 am

Wiggins deserves more playing time than he gets.

Post #616 » by **Dadouv47** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:59 am

Mann going to the G League is ugly but needed. Hope he comes back stronger.

Post #617 » by **slick_watts** » Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:50 pm

Dadouv47 wrote:Mann going to the G League is ugly but needed. Hope he comes back stronger.

mann getting his 1st g-league assignment in the middle of his sophomore season is a bad sign.

Devilanche · Post #618 » by **Devilanche** » Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:04 pm

slick_watts wrote:
Dadouv47 wrote:Mann going to the G League is ugly but needed. Hope he comes back stronger.

mann getting his 1st g-league assignment in the middle of his sophomore season is a bad sign.

From the team perspective I don’t mind it at all.

But from the player perspective , Mann better be balling when he’s there and build on it when he’s back.

Post #619 » by **ThunderBolt** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:06 pm

Obviously Shai is the story but some of the other guys look like they could fill out our rotation nicely. I'd be very disappointed if Joe wasn't starting to be seen as a longterm piece.

Post #620 » by **slick_watts** » Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:35 pm

shai is in the midst of a historic season from the free throw line. he's at 93.3% and .491 FTr. no one has ever had that combination of % and rate before. reggie miller has the highest ft% season at a .400+ FTr in history at 91.8%. reggie miller also has the highest FTr season with 93%+ percentage in history at .373. hard to believe shai maintains this but if he does it would be one for the record books. perhaps only eclipsed by some of the super high volume ft seasons over 90% like jerry west or kd had. really wild that he's doing this.