Re: Trade Talk (Part Eleven): 2022 Offseason Edition

[NebWolvesFan]

What do you guys think is more likely….

Minnesota trades D’Angelo Russell and whatever at the deadline
Minnesota trades a package of some combination of Nowell, Reid, Knight, Forbes, Rivers, Moore, and Minott (think a 3 for 1 type deal to get into the ~$8mil range)
Minnesota sits on their hands and makes their move in the buyout market (they still have the BAE)
Minnesota only uses the Vando TPE

I don't think Minnesota moves Dlo. Unfortunately his shooting and playmaking are too important and we can't get an upgrade without including major value.

A "consolidation" trade to add another ball-handler makes a lot of sense.

Utilizing the BAE and Vando TPE make sense but both are small.

My first guess/prediction is Beverley gets moved, bought out, and re-signs with us.

Otherwise the 76ers could swap House for Knight or Forbes to get out of the Tax while sending us a 2nd. House could find a spot in our rotation.

If you don't trade Russell at the deadline then there are only two outcomes.
1. You way overpay him to stay
2. He leaves and we are left with Wolfson saying that Minnesota had a better offer on the table and everyone at Target Center is shocked he left. As if lowballing him or not even offering him a deal for a year wouldn't piss him off.

Those are two horrible scenarios. If you're a Wolves fan, you have to pray that DLo keeps playing well and someone overpays for him in Feb. It's the only "great option" left.

[minimus]

Which player who plays overseas might help us? Quinn Cook?

[Neeva]

Trade DLO now, I don’t want the wolves stuck with his inconsistency and a gross 30 million + a year contract

[IceManBK1]

So far I see tor, knicks, Lal and Nets as good trade partners. Whether we trade dlo/Gobert combo or towns alone.
Too bad AD so injury prone. Westbrook and AD for Dlo, Gobert, prince or McDaniels would be pretty fair.

[minimus]

So far I see tor, knicks, Lal and Nets as good trade partners. Whether we trade dlo/Gobert combo or towns alone.
Too bad AD so injury prone. Westbrook and AD for Dlo, Gobert, prince or McDaniels would be pretty fair.

Dude, you are not MIN fan... Why you have been posting all these horrible trade ideas?

[shangrila]

An idea I was mulling the other day (ironically before something similar got posted on the Trade board) was a deal with Washington based around Morris+Wright+Barton for DLo and I was throwing Nowell in too.

Reason is fairly simple; we need actual guard play. Both Morris and Wright are solid, if unspectacular, rotation players. Wright is having a down year but I'd bet on him turning it around and Morris is a similar style of low mistake player to McLaughlin...only bigger and currently hitting his 3s. But they're both better defenders than DLo and, while worse individual players, are arguably better fits. Barton is filler and I'll get into him a bit later.

The issues are as follows;

1. According to Fanspo Washington is currently in the lux by about 1.8mil and this deal pushes them up to roughly 4mil. Probably not something their ownership is interested in but there's not a ton of recourse here unless they want to give up one of their recent lottery picks (Avdija, Rui, Davis).

2. This relies on Washington wanting to go "all in" with Beal (and I guess Porzingis). Not sure how they feel about that, although historically they seem content being an average team.

3. Nowell. I can't place his value. Personally I think his inconsistency combined with his impending UFA kills his value as there isn't great value either long or short term. That said, he can be valuable when he's hot. So...I don't know.

Now Barton is interesting, because we would have no need of him. But he is a decent sized expiring that we could move elsewhere for a smaller contract or something else.

Dunno, just thought this was interesting.

[minimus]

According to Fanspo Washington is currently in the lux by about 1.8mil

I wonder whether we can use our Vando TPE and remain under luxury tax.

[Klomp]

Would you turn D'Angelo Russell into Zach LaVine if you could?

[wolves_89]

According to Fanspo Washington is currently in the lux by about 1.8mil

I wonder whether we can use our Vando TPE and remain under luxury tax.

I believe the Wolves are currently $3M below the luxury tax line, so as long as the incoming salary is $3M or less they would be fine. If they could find someone to trade for Forbes, they could take back $4.8M and stay out of the luxury tax.

[shangrila]

According to Fanspo Washington is currently in the lux by about 1.8mil

I wonder whether we can use our Vando TPE and remain under luxury tax.

I believe the Wolves are currently $3M below the luxury tax line, so as long as the incoming salary is $3M or less they would be fine. If they could find someone to trade for Forbes, they could take back $4.8M and stay out of the luxury tax.

Can't combine TPEs and salaries. Nor could you take a higher salary than the TPE as they don't have the same 125% matching rule

[wolves_89]

I wonder whether we can use our Vando TPE and remain under luxury tax.

I believe the Wolves are currently $3M below the luxury tax line, so as long as the incoming salary is $3M or less they would be fine. If they could find someone to trade for Forbes, they could take back $4.8M and stay out of the luxury tax.

Can't combine TPEs and salaries. Nor could you take a higher salary than the TPE as they don't have the same 125% matching rule

Good point. Assuming that Forbes is the player losing his roster spot, some options for staying under the luxury tax would be:
1) waiving Forbes and using the TPE to trade for a player making up to $3M
2) they can trade Forbes in a 1-for-1 deal and take back a player making up to $3.3M (175% of Forbes salary plus $100k, no TPE needed)
3) they can trade Forbes to a third team while basically getting nothing back (no need to salary match for players on minimum contract) and then use the full $4.4M of the TPE to trade for a player in a separate deal.

My guess is that the Vando TPE isn't used during the season. The most obvious move at this point would be to waive Forbes (or trade him with no player coming back) and sign PJ Dozier to a minimum contract.

[minimus]

I wonder whether we can use our Vando TPE and remain under luxury tax.

I believe the Wolves are currently $3M below the luxury tax line, so as long as the incoming salary is $3M or less they would be fine. If they could find someone to trade for Forbes, they could take back $4.8M and stay out of the luxury tax.

Can't combine TPEs and salaries. Nor could you take a higher salary than the TPE as they don't have the same 125% matching rule

It means we can acquire someone like Immanuel Quickley into TPE, without going into lux tax.

[Guest84]

Would you turn D'Angelo Russell into Zach LaVine if you could?

I don't think I would Klomp. I was in the "trade Wiggins for Butler instead of Zach" camp but at this point, I wouldn't. Zach's body language didn't look good to me and I was surprised by that. Idk if it's just the Chi issues or what. When the wolves trade for players they previously had or should've had to begin with, it doesn't work out. (Roy, Rubio, old KG)

I think if you trade Russell, we have to acquire another ballhandler/playmaker to help Ant. Whether it's a pg or point forward. After watching this team for some time now and thinking about it without homer goggles the following players are who I feel should be considered for a trade if we're trying to improve and not just for the sake of a trade:

D'Lo
Nowell
Jaden
Rudy
Kat

I'm not saying I want all of the players traded but the only untouchable right now is Ant to me, strictly due to his age and potential. I also don't think Jaden is untouchable anymore either. His defense is solid but he's too up and down with everything else currently. This could be due to a lack of consistent opportunities to define his skills in the game.

Kat and Rudy is more of a playstyle issue. Their game doesn't really complement Ant or D'Lo, where after watching D'Lo and Ant in person, they appear to always be communicating and genuinely seem to like playing with each other.

I think we need taller (6'9"+), athletic, skilled, HIGH IQ players. We're too small and slow. Pair that with the low IQ and you get the season we're having now.

[Klomp]

An idea I was mulling the other day (ironically before something similar got posted on the Trade board) was a deal with Washington based around Morris+Wright+Barton for DLo and I was throwing Nowell in too.

Reason is fairly simple; we need actual guard play. Both Morris and Wright are solid, if unspectacular, rotation players. Wright is having a down year but I'd bet on him turning it around and Morris is a similar style of low mistake player to McLaughlin...only bigger and currently hitting his 3s. But they're both better defenders than DLo and, while worse individual players, are arguably better fits. Barton is filler and I'll get into him a bit later.

I've had this framework idea for a long time. Keep in mind, Tim Connelly had both Morris and Barton in Denver.

But with the new DLo, I don't know if I settle for this.

[Neeva]

Would you turn D'Angelo Russell into Zach LaVine if you could?

I don't think I would Klomp. I was in the "trade Wiggins for Butler instead of Zach" camp but at this point, I wouldn't. Zach's body language didn't look good to me and I was surprised by that. Idk if it's just the Chi issues or what. When the wolves trade for players they previously had or should've had to begin with, it doesn't work out. (Roy, Rubio, old KG)

I think if you trade Russell, we have to acquire another ballhandler/playmaker to help Ant. Whether it's a pg or point forward. After watching this team for some time now and thinking about it without homer goggles the following players are who I feel should be considered for a trade if we're trying to improve and not just for the sake of a trade:

D'Lo
Nowell
Jaden
Rudy
Kat

I'm not saying I want all of the players traded but the only untouchable right now is Ant to me, strictly due to his age and potential. I also don't think Jaden is untouchable anymore either. His defense is solid but he's too up and down with everything else currently. This could be due to a lack of consistent opportunities to define his skills in the game.

Kat and Rudy is more of a playstyle issue. Their game doesn't really complement Ant or D'Lo, where after watching D'Lo and Ant in person, they appear to always be communicating and genuinely seem to like playing with each other.

I think we need taller (6'9"+), athletic, skilled, HIGH IQ players. We're too small and slow. Pair that with the low IQ and you get the season we're having now.

I would no offense to DLo, Zach just looks miserable in Chicago and he was a joy for the wolves.

Then pick up Bev and trade Kat to atlanta for Collins/Murray and picks.

This looks good to me
Murray/Beverly/Jmac
Ant/Lavine/Nowell
McDaniels/Moore
Collins/Anderson
Gobert/Reid/Garza

Lets go!

[shangrila]

I think the combination of DLo focusing solely on playmaking and KAT's attempts to be a point forward were what was holding Ant back.

Now that both he and DLo have seemingly embraced being combo guards the offence looks smoother. I'm interested to see how KAT integrates back into that.

[minimus]

I think the combination of DLo focusing solely on playmaking and KAT's attempts to be a point forward were what was holding Ant back.

Now that both he and DLo have seemingly embraced being combo guards the offence looks smoother. I'm interested to see how KAT integrates back into that.

I think a huge factor here was that all three Ant, Gobert and Towns were out of shape. Ant had overweight, Towns was after infection, Rudy had full Eurobasket including Finals + COVID.

[SO_MONEY]

I think the combination of DLo focusing solely on playmaking and KAT's attempts to be a point forward were what was holding Ant back.

Now that both he and DLo have seemingly embraced being combo guards the offence looks smoother. I'm interested to see how KAT integrates back into that.

I think a huge factor here was that all three Ant, Gobert and Towns were out of shape. Ant had overweight, Towns was after infection, Rudy had full Eurobasket including Finals + COVID.

Ant came into the season probably in the best shape of his life. Just saying... the guy put in the work. Kat and his jabs over Popeyes only drive a wedge when he is clearly wrong and needs to shut his trap. This isn't Kat's team he is not a leader, he is a soft oversensitive cry baby and mental midget. What I find surprising is that Kat's comments even resonate with fans, but apparently I am wrong to be surprised...?

[minimus]

I think the combination of DLo focusing solely on playmaking and KAT's attempts to be a point forward were what was holding Ant back.

Now that both he and DLo have seemingly embraced being combo guards the offence looks smoother. I'm interested to see how KAT integrates back into that.

I think a huge factor here was that all three Ant, Gobert and Towns were out of shape. Ant had overweight, Towns was after infection, Rudy had full Eurobasket including Finals + COVID.

Ant came into the season probably in the best shape of his life. Just saying... the guy put in the work. Kat and his jabs over Popeyes only drive a wedge when he is clearly wrong and needs to shut his trap. This isn't Kat's team he is not a leader, he is a soft oversensitive cry baby and mental midget. What I find surprising is that Kat's comments even resonate with fans, but apparently I am wrong to be surprised...?

Okay, it seems like you have missed whole story about Ant being out of shape. It was reported outside of organization. Just think for a minute why Ant has being running up the stairs after games? Why Towns said that thing about fast food?

Instead you bringing here again this scapegoating thing about Towns.

[BlacJacMac]

I think the combination of DLo focusing solely on playmaking and KAT's attempts to be a point forward were what was holding Ant back.

Now that both he and DLo have seemingly embraced being combo guards the offence looks smoother. I'm interested to see how KAT integrates back into that.

I think a huge factor here was that all three Ant, Gobert and Towns were out of shape. Ant had overweight, Towns was after infection, Rudy had full Eurobasket including Finals + COVID.

Ant came into the season probably in the best shape of his life. Just saying... the guy put in the work. Kat and his jabs over Popeyes only drive a wedge when he is clearly wrong and needs to shut his trap. This isn't Kat's team he is not a leader, he is a soft oversensitive cry baby and mental midget. What I find surprising is that Kat's comments even resonate with fans, but apparently I am wrong to be surprised...?

I don't buy it. Ant gaining 10+ pounds of muscle smells like a cover story to explain why he was noticeably bigger to start the year.

He looks like he's clearly lost some of that "muscle weight" since the start of the season and he's moving so much better.