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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#961 » by jbk1234 » Wed Oct 5, 2022 10:52 pm

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I know the Hornets aren't the most well run organization, but there's zero chance, like none that they allowed that offer to expire without doing their due diligence first. He shattered her ear drum. Those pictures are awful. That's before you get into the other issues.


Now that I think about it more, *allowing* the Q.O. to expire is just PR. Miles allowed the Q.O. to expire and he's still a restricted free agent by operation of rule. At this point, the only reason for him not to sign it, and become unrestricted at the end of the year, is if no other team is currently interested anyway.


Is that the nuance?

Because if they rescinded it (or never offered it) he should be unrestricted - there's even an option where both sides can agree to extend it.

Maybe this is the same as him not accepting the QO, which would leave him still restricted.


I'm guessing the Hornets had zero interest in a long-term contract, or paying him not to be there, and Miles isn't in a position where he can commit to being there.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#962 » by TheLand13 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:12 am

If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.
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Post#963 » by jbk1234 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:33 am

TheLand13 wrote:If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.


Can't guard the 3 and a very meh shooter from 3.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#964 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:54 pm

TheLand13 wrote:If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.
Cavs have no first rounders besides a 2024 swap to sweeten any deal, feels unrealistic to acquire Kuzma or any player his level or above.

Be better off trying to grab Melo, Lamb, Snell, or Hood off the scrap heap for vet min.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#965 » by jbk1234 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:10 pm

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TheLand13 wrote:If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.
Cavs have no first rounders besides a 2024 swap to sweeten any deal, feels unrealistic to acquire Kuzma or any player his level or above.

Be better off trying to grab Melo, Lamb, Snell, or Hood off the scrap heap for vet min.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't know what a player of Kuzma's level is suppose to mean here. His career average from 3 is below league average. He's shot above league average from 3 in two out of the six seasons he's been in the NBA (and one of those seasons was his rookie year). Every team that's had him has ended up moving him to PF because he can't defend the wing. He's got a P.O. next season which he'll surely decline due to how next summer's F.A. market is shaping up. He's the very definition of a replacement level player looking to get paid.

Thad Young returned a first so anything is possible, but I had that as rare bad trade for Masai.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#966 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:33 pm

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TheLand13 wrote:If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.
Cavs have no first rounders besides a 2024 swap to sweeten any deal, feels unrealistic to acquire Kuzma or any player his level or above.

Be better off trying to grab Melo, Lamb, Snell, or Hood off the scrap heap for vet min.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't know what a player of Kuzma's level is suppose to mean here. His career average from 3 is below league average. He's shot above league average from 3 in two out of the six seasons he's been in the NBA (and one of those seasons was his rookie year). Every team that's had him has ended up moving him to PF because he can't defend the wing. He's got a P.O. next season which he'll surely decline due to how next summer's F.A. market is shaping up. He's the very definition of a replacement level player looking to get paid.

Thad Young returned a first so anything is possible, but I had that as rare bad trade for Masai.
ijs, the Cavs do not have the assets to acquire a 20+ ppg player in their prime on a bargain deal, that level of player.

Hence, they're better off going for someone out of the league for vet min in the 15th spot.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#967 » by jbk1234 » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:48 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Cavs have no first rounders besides a 2024 swap to sweeten any deal, feels unrealistic to acquire Kuzma or any player his level or above.

Be better off trying to grab Melo, Lamb, Snell, or Hood off the scrap heap for vet min.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't know what a player of Kuzma's level is suppose to mean here. His career average from 3 is below league average. He's shot above league average from 3 in two out of the six seasons he's been in the NBA (and one of those seasons was his rookie year). Every team that's had him has ended up moving him to PF because he can't defend the wing. He's got a P.O. next season which he'll surely decline due to how next summer's F.A. market is shaping up. He's the very definition of a replacement level player looking to get paid.

Thad Young returned a first so anything is possible, but I had that as rare bad trade for Masai.
ijs, the Cavs do not have the assets to acquire a 20+ ppg player in their prime on a bargain deal, that level of player.

Hence, they're better off going for someone out of the league for vet min in the 15th spot.


He's on a bargain deal for a couple of more months and he's scoring those points on almost 18 FGA per game. He's not getting all those shots starting on a good team. He's shooting 46% from the field and 34% from 3 (rounding up).
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#968 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Dec 18, 2022 6:55 pm

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't know what a player of Kuzma's level is suppose to mean here. His career average from 3 is below league average. He's shot above league average from 3 in two out of the six seasons he's been in the NBA (and one of those seasons was his rookie year). Every team that's had him has ended up moving him to PF because he can't defend the wing. He's got a P.O. next season which he'll surely decline due to how next summer's F.A. market is shaping up. He's the very definition of a replacement level player looking to get paid.

Thad Young returned a first so anything is possible, but I had that as rare bad trade for Masai.
ijs, the Cavs do not have the assets to acquire a 20+ ppg player in their prime on a bargain deal, that level of player.

Hence, they're better off going for someone out of the league for vet min in the 15th spot.


He's on a bargain deal for a couple of more months and he's scoring those points on almost 18 FGA per game. He's not getting all those shots starting on a good team. He's shooting 46% from the field and 34% from 3 (rounding up).
It's all relative man, the Cavs couldn't acquire him even if his game fit like a glove.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#969 » by JonFromVA » Mon Dec 19, 2022 3:42 pm

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TheLand13 wrote:If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.


Can't guard the 3 and a very meh shooter from 3.


Kuzma can shoot 3's in volume, has decent length/wingspan, and can fill the box score - which is often a problem for us at the spot.

So, on paper he might very well work as a Lauri replacement; just not sure we want to pay more than $20M/year for that or that he'd want to sign with us as a 4th option. I also wonder about attitude/chemistry.

Not to mention a 2024 swap probably isn't worth much to the Wiz, so, unless they were just enamored with LeVert or we could flip him elsewhere; we lack what a team would traditionally want for a rental.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#970 » by jbk1234 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:15 pm

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TheLand13 wrote:If I’m Cleveland, I’m seeing what my options are in regards to acquiring Kuzma. If it’s a realistic possibility and you can keep your big four (and somehow Love), I’d say go for it. He would be perfect to insert at the SF spot.


Can't guard the 3 and a very meh shooter from 3.


Kuzma can shoot 3's in volume, has decent length/wingspan, and can fill the box score - which is often a problem for us at the spot.

So, on paper he might very well work as a Lauri replacement; just not sure we want to pay more than $20M/year for that or that he'd want to sign with us as a 4th option. I also wonder about attitude/chemistry.

Not to mention a 2024 swap probably isn't worth much to the Wiz, so, unless they were just enamored with LeVert or we could flip him elsewhere; we lack what a team would traditionally want for a rental.


Anyone can *shoot* 3s in volume, it's converting them that's the trick. Look, he's not getting 18 FGAs/game here. He's not getting 18 FGA/game with any good team because he's simply not efficient enough to warrant the opportunity costs associated with taking all those shots. Frankly, I'd be a little concerned about trading for him in a contract year for that reason.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#971 » by KuruptedCav » Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:46 pm

Has TJ Warren played himself past the MLE? Or does the injury history hold him back?


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Post#972 » by jbk1234 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:02 pm

KuruptedCav wrote:Has TJ Warren played himself past the MLE? Or does the injury history hold him back?


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There's a lot of basketball left to be played, and as you note, he could get hurt again, but I was shocked that he signed with the Nets for the league minimum (plus, you know, whatever a Manhattan apartment for his girlfriend costs off the books). Hard to see him not getting more than the MLE, but it's possible if you maxed out the number of years and guaranteed it all, you could get his attention.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#973 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:08 pm

KuruptedCav wrote:Has TJ Warren played himself past the MLE? Or does the injury history hold him back?


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I wouldn't trust giving the guy any guaranteed long term money. He played 0 games last season, 4 games the season before, and already missed 24 games this season.

I'd offer him the BAE, at most.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#974 » by jbk1234 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 7:09 pm

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KuruptedCav wrote:Has TJ Warren played himself past the MLE? Or does the injury history hold him back?


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I wouldn't trust giving the guy any guaranteed long term money. He played 0 games last season, 4 games the season before, and already missed 24 games this season.

I'd offer him the BAE, at most.


Welcome to the reality of not having a bunch of good options in terms of acquiring good shooters.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#975 » by NYG » Mon Jan 2, 2023 10:24 pm

What players do the Cavs have as salary filler? What positive value could they add to a trade?

We have a couple big expiring deals, Cedi has a T.O. for next season., and Okoro is likely available in the right trade. We can offer future cap savings and a better fit for the right team.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#976 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jan 2, 2023 11:56 pm

NYG wrote:What players do the Cavs have as salary filler? What positive value could they add to a trade?
Love: $28.9 million expiring
LeVert: $18.79 million expiring
Cedi: $7.4 million essentially expiring
Windler: $4 million expiring

As far as positive value, slim to none, the only 1st rounder Cavs can trade is 2024 and it has to be a swap due to the Stepien rule. They have some future 2nds but those are pretty worthless and have the draft rights to some overseas guys but none worth mentioning.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#977 » by KuruptedCav » Tue Jan 3, 2023 4:15 am

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NYG wrote:What players do the Cavs have as salary filler? What positive value could they add to a trade?
Love: $28.9 million expiring
LeVert: $18.79 million expiring
Cedi: $7.4 million essentially expiring
Windler: $4 million expiring

As far as positive value, slim to none, the only 1st rounder Cavs can trade is 2024 and it has to be a swap due to the Stepien rule. They have some future 2nds but those are pretty worthless and have the draft rights to some overseas guys but none worth mentioning.


Not a great slate because the teams are good, but, there’s some value
2023 Best of CLE/GSW
2024 phantom GSW
2025 CLE & MIL
2026 LAL & CLE
2027 CLE & DEN
2028 CLE
2029 CLE


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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#978 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Jan 3, 2023 5:00 am

KuruptedCav wrote:
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NYG wrote:What players do the Cavs have as salary filler? What positive value could they add to a trade?
Love: $28.9 million expiring
LeVert: $18.79 million expiring
Cedi: $7.4 million essentially expiring
Windler: $4 million expiring

As far as positive value, slim to none, the only 1st rounder Cavs can trade is 2024 and it has to be a swap due to the Stepien rule. They have some future 2nds but those are pretty worthless and have the draft rights to some overseas guys but none worth mentioning.


Not a great slate because the teams are good, but, there’s some value
2023 Best of CLE/GSW
2024 phantom GSW
2025 CLE & MIL
2026 LAL & CLE
2027 CLE & DEN
2028 CLE
2029 CLE


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I'm not sure what you even posted, because I know that's not the picks the Cavs have.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#979 » by TorontoBarneys » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:04 pm

Is Mobley still untouchable for you guys?

If both sides were willing and Raps decided to rebuild, Siakam/OG or both would make you guys potentially the best team in the league.
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Re: Trade ideas 

Post#980 » by ijspeelman » Tue Jan 3, 2023 2:36 pm

TorontoBarneys wrote:Is Mobley still untouchable for you guys?

If both sides were willing and Raps decided to rebuild, Siakam/OG or both would make you guys potentially the best team in the league.


Yeah, I would do an Isaiah Mobley for Siakam and OG swap.

In all seriousness, pretty sure EMo is still untouchable.

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