Around the League - Curry Out "A few weeks"

[buckboy]

Speaking of Malcolm, is this disrespect or no?

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Brogdon really is a bitch baby.

Nice to see people coming around on what has been obvious for a while.

[jute2003]

Speaking of Malcolm, is this disrespect or no?

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Brogdon really is a bitch baby.

Nice to see people coming around on what has been obvious for a while.

I enjoyed how he plays and how he handled himself while here, but it has been obvious for a while that he's pretty bitchy.

[Bmaasse]

Brogdon really is a bitch baby.

Nice to see people coming around on what has been obvious for a while.

I enjoyed how he plays and how he handled himself while here, but it has been obvious for a while that he's pretty bitchy.

Why is he bitter? Is it because we did not try harder to keep him around?

[paulpressey25]

Hard disagree with this. Making the NBA Finals has nothing to do with a regular season award.

Always think that's a fallacy in the judging of this. Think the voters do take playoff performance into consideration at some point.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Hard disagree with this. Making the NBA Finals has nothing to do with a regular season award.

Always think that's a fallacy in the judging of this. Think the voters do take playoff performance into consideration at some point.

Well yeah they absolutely do. They also take into account if the guy has won it before and penalize for that. I guess technically voters are supposed to vote in a vacuum only using performance in that current regular season as qualifiers but we all know that's not actually how it works.

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[emunney]

The face I just made when I read "Lonzo Ball progressing toward running".

This dude had a bone bruise and a small meniscus tear 11 months ago.

[raferfenix]

Looks like the Rockets would be cool with a distant future first for Gordon.

It'd be hard for the Bucks to cobble together enough salary for him (Grayson + Nwora + Hill + Wes or the like) and not sure if he'd be a good enough fit to be worth giving up one of our very few remaining trade assets.

Seems like Phoenix has been most gung-ho for Gordon from the reporting at least, however, with their pending sale I doubt they're so eager to deal a future first -- especially since if CP3 is cooked they aren't contending this year either way.

Houston is more open to moving Gordon now than before but remains steadfast in their internal valuation of him. The Rockets have more interest in acquiring a young player or a future first-round pick for his services than a late first in next year’s draft. If Houston can get that offer, team sources said they would move Gordon now and not wait until the February deadline.

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/houston-rockets-eric-gordon-trade-rumors/

[CharityStripe34]

Playoffs don't matter but again, at what point do you factor in the effect on winning in the regular season? Because Jokic has largely gotten a pass based on the Murray and Porter injuries last season. This year he's gotten 25-games from Murray and 16 games from MPJ. We can quote PER and on/off all day but the Nuggets are currently playing at a level worse than the mid-2000's Nash Suns defensively even when he's on the court, despite them going out and acquiring good perimeter defenders like Brown and KCP.

Just think you can only play the poor supporting cast argument so much before you kinda have to prove you can put up these kind of numbers while leading a dominant RS team. Guys like Lebron and Giannis (pre-Jrue trade) were arguably doing more with the same kind of talent around them and leading 60+ win, 8+ SRS teams to 1-seeds.

Criteria for MVP changes all the time. It's sort of morphed into the "Which superstar puts up monster numbers on the most mediocre team?" More about floor-raising than ceiling raising.

[paulpressey25]

Why is he bitter? Is it because we did not try harder to keep him around?

The initial read on this three years ago was he didn't like the City due to segregation issues. That said, as time rolls on it appears like that was a sort of a smokescreen for the fact he wanted to be the lead guard, and not have to defer to either Giannis or Bledsoe at the time.

Translation: He needed to leave in order to put up the numbers to get paid.

[KidA24]

I'm not really sure you can just rewrite history and say it was just those picks for Jrue. Jrue makes a **** of money and I don't think DG had the green light for $170m payroll for that roster especially with Zion's injury concerns being that bad at the time. You probably have to choose between CJ and Jrue. Even now, you want $65m for 2 31+ year old guards to go along with Zion?

Also, not sure they have the ammo for JV if they didn't increase the value of their draft picks by trading Jrue.

Why, and why not? They didn't give up any of the Jrue assets for McCollum, and I can't imagine a better complimentary back court pairing than those two. Instead they're paying Devonte Graham and 36-year old Garrett Temple nearly $18 mil per year combined to collect DNP-CD's while they start a rookie (Daniels) or Naji Marshall as an oversized SG. They won't even be in the luxury tax until next year when Zion's extension kicks in, so it was pretty much the perfect window to still keep a guy like Jrue before they enter repeater tax territory.

Griffin simply, like a lot of these GM's nowadays, overrated the value of those picks/swaps with the gamble that Giannis wouldn't sign the super-max. And now only 2 years later has a roster that's ready to contend and Holiday would fit perfectly into. Unless that 2027 1st ends up a Top-5 pick, I'd say that he quite clearly bungled the Jrue asset.

moved to ATL.

How do they avoid luxury tax this year and last? They were only $6m under last year and like $4m(?) This year. How are they shaving off $25m? Most likely they would be starting the luxury tax clock two years, right or am I missing something? Idk it is a blunder in highsight but locking in max salaries for 2 aging guards and an injury prone big man last year as a play in team sounds risky as hell to me.

You moved to Atlanta? How come?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

You moved to Atlanta? How come?

Dear god no. I just came back from there Friday and that city is probably on my no trade clause. I'm sure there is reasons to love it but a hard pass for me. Traffic was LA levels awful, no cool nature (National parks, beaches, mountains, etc), would have to cheer for Trae Young, etc

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[DingleJerry]

Playoffs don't matter but again, at what point do you factor in the effect on winning in the regular season? Because Jokic has largely gotten a pass based on the Murray and Porter injuries last season. This year he's gotten 25-games from Murray and 16 games from MPJ. We can quote PER and on/off all day but the Nuggets are currently playing at a level worse than the mid-2000's Nash Suns defensively even when he's on the court, despite them going out and acquiring good perimeter defenders like Brown and KCP.

Just think you can only play the poor supporting cast argument so much before you kinda have to prove you can put up these kind of numbers while leading a dominant RS team. Guys like Lebron and Giannis (pre-Jrue trade) were arguably doing more with the same kind of talent around them and leading 60+ win, 8+ SRS teams to 1-seeds.

Criteria for MVP changes all the time. It's sort of morphed into the "Which superstar puts up monster numbers on the most mediocre team?" More about floor-raising than ceiling raising.

Along with narrative type things that will start popping up for Jokic. he just won back to back, so the narrative is gonna be to try to find a way to find someone new to give it to and that since he hasn't won in the playoffs that he doesn't deserve 3 straight. Not unlike what happened to Giannis before, who then of course he went full goat mode the next playoffs and won it all.

But overall the voters seem to like to spread the wealth and get superstars their mvps to kinda validate their careers and get bored with the same guy over and over. Still, now that Giannis hasn't won in two years I'd say it's wide open for him to take again if he doesn't miss a ton of games and they're the top 1-2 seed. But this new winner type mindset will start coming into Luka and Tatum's favor going forward.

[KidA24]

You moved to Atlanta? How come?

Dear god no. I just came back from there Friday and that city is probably on my no trade clause. I'm sure there is reasons to love it but a hard pass for me. Traffic was LA levels awful, no cool nature (National parks, beaches, mountains, etc), would have to cheer for Trae Young, etc

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[Matches Malone]

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[HKPackFan]

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Apparently the arena was cold that evening.

[JBucks]

Bad meltdown from the Raptors tonight. If I were Horst, I'd be first in line for the fire sale.

[blazza18]

What great defence from OG and Siakam with an unreal layup to tie it up.

[VooDoo7]

So when does **** face Kidd get shown the door?

[blazza18]

Shai now has like three buzzer beaters this year

[HKPackFan]

Winning this game now makes me feel like we earned the #1 record in the league, compared to yesterday.