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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#41 » by jonbob17 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:51 pm

drsd wrote:During the streak:

The FTs

28-31 (90.3%)
19-21 (90.5%)
25-31 (80.6%)
25-30 (83.3%)
24-28 (85.7%)
17-19 (89.5%)

..

We've gone from making 15.5 FTs last year to 19.9 this year. That's pretty meaningful especially when you consider our FT rate is 80.5%. FTs are most efficient way to score.
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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#42 » by jonbob17 » Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:57 pm

SOUL wrote:I feel most of the offensive ratings are pretty decent though, right? There are some obvious things that stick out, like Bamba's defense being way better than Bol and Moe currently. It also shows the offense when Franz stays out there with the backups has been working well too.. which makes sense because it has way better spacing.

The issue is that a lot of these ratings are unsustainably good. Bamba has been very important for our winning streak, which is what we will continue to need, but we know how easily he can sink the team when he's playing uninspired. I think it also shows that regardless of anything, we need WCJ back. Moe is very hit or miss, but definitely helped us win some games in this streak too, especially last game. Cole has been big off the bench, especially helping us when our offense is in a drought, even if his three is off. His commitment to defense is better too. Ross still hasn't been shooting great, but provides good spacing.

The thing that stats can't account for is what is enabling them. Is Cole putting up better efficiency in spite of Fultz or because he is now in a better natural role off of the bench? Are Bamba's numbers looking like this starting with Moe or Bol? I doubt it. A lot of the best 3 man rotations are from off of the bench, which shows that they are hitting a nice groove together, which we have needed because our bench play for most of the year has been ass.

I think a lot of people perceive or read stats wrongly. If anything, it should be a credit to the coaches and players that whatever they're doing currently is working pretty well. Simply inserting "x" player in doesn't work or take into account Bol putting away the Hawks and making big plays or Fultz and Moe being clutch for our team last night even if Cole, Bamba, and Ross have better advanced stats.



I'd say on/offs are pretty good indicators over the course of a season. Over a handful of games like we are talking about here there is a lot of noise. The more data, the more the noise gets cancelled out.

I'd put advanced stats (like RAPTOR or RPM)a top the list of useful data, followed by on/off or offense and defense ratings.
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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#43 » by basketballRob » Mon Dec 19, 2022 7:36 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
drsd wrote:During the streak:

The FTs

28-31 (90.3%)
19-21 (90.5%)
25-31 (80.6%)
25-30 (83.3%)
24-28 (85.7%)
17-19 (89.5%)

..

We've gone from making 15.5 FTs last year to 19.9 this year. That's pretty meaningful especially when you consider our FT rate is 80.5%. FTs are most efficient way to score.
Paolo is the reason we're getting to the line more. I was watching the replay from yesterday and they could've called a foul every time he drove to the basket. We don't notice but Paolo just moves players that are guarding him.

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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#44 » by jonbob17 » Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:02 am

basketballRob wrote:
jonbob17 wrote:
drsd wrote:During the streak:

The FTs

28-31 (90.3%)
19-21 (90.5%)
25-31 (80.6%)
25-30 (83.3%)
24-28 (85.7%)
17-19 (89.5%)

..

We've gone from making 15.5 FTs last year to 19.9 this year. That's pretty meaningful especially when you consider our FT rate is 80.5%. FTs are most efficient way to score.
Paolo is the reason we're getting to the line more. I was watching the replay from yesterday and they could've called a foul every time he drove to the basket. We don't notice but Paolo just moves players that are guarding him.

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yah he is a monster. I have to think he is going to be amongst the league leaders in FT attempts at some point in the next few years. If he can get his rate up to 80% or better, that's about 10ppg right there. He's going to learn more tricks on how to get to the rim with contact.
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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#45 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:29 pm

Paulo reminds me of Luka Doncic in that he appears built like a football player playing basketball and can draw the foul and muscle his way in.

I worry about his ability to have a long healthy career with that. I think he will be OK though as long as he develops his jump shot.
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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#46 » by basketballRob » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:48 pm

JoshuaPotter wrote:Paulo reminds me of Luka Doncic in that he appears built like a football player playing basketball and can draw the foul and muscle his way in.

I worry about his ability to have a long healthy career with that. I think he will be OK though as long as he develops his jump shot.
I never really compared him to Doncic but he compares favorably. Luka was only 3 months younger in his first season.


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Re: Advanced Stats during the Streak 

Post#47 » by JoshuaPotter » Tue Dec 20, 2022 4:57 pm

basketballRob wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:Paulo reminds me of Luka Doncic in that he appears built like a football player playing basketball and can draw the foul and muscle his way in.

I worry about his ability to have a long healthy career with that. I think he will be OK though as long as he develops his jump shot.
I never really compared him to Doncic but he compares favorably. Luka was only 3 months younger in his first season.


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