Pistons not looking to trade Bojan

[coolness]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/269720/Pistons-Tell-Rival-Teams-They-Intend-To-Keep-Bojan-Bogdanovic

It's funny that he is doing exactly as you would want a player to do to increase trade value and make the team younger.

But, I agree with keeping him. I'm at the point that I would look to trade for Bogdan this summer to get nepotistic on that butt.

The idea of a mix of vets and youth is just fine to me, and him playing so well isn't hurting the tank so far. We will probably have a bottom 4 record and that's all you can hope for on draft lotto day.

Also, the idea of becoming a better team first and foremost and little by little before trying to be a contender all at once by drafting a couple Lebrons and signing a 3rd Lebron has some great results in league history. The 2004 Pistons were the epitome of this idea and right after wasting a 2nd overall pick.

[aad]

I agree with keeping boggy if we wanna compete for the playoffs next season we need to keep him and burks

[Kilo]

February 9th is still a ways away. It's mostly posturing. Sure they'll keep him if the offers suck. Weaver is telling rival GM's that it's going to cost them and not to some with 2 SRP offers.

Bojan's got a crazy strategic contract extension - Pistons could reasonably be seen as wanting to keep him given they gave him that vs keeping him just an expiring asset. They could keep him through next season's TDL and sell him as an expiring or one year remaining. Also if they decide to move him at the TDL this year the acquiring team can take him as a 1.5 season contract or plan to pick up that 3rd year and be acquiring a longer term asset.

Bojan's old man's game will age well as a bench heater on a contender.

[bstein14]

For the best return, we shouldn't be desperate to move on from him. Reportedly the Lakers offered Nunn, Beverly, and a protected 2027 1st round pick and Detroit said only if the pick is unprotected so I would say that we aren't keeping him no matter what... but we'd need a significantly good pick or asset/young player to move on from him. I think its most likely he stays with the team, unless Detroit gets another unprotected pick that has a chance at being a lottery pick this year.... something like an unprotected pick from New York, Miami, Indy, Atlanta, Washington, Sacramento, Dallas, Portland, etc.

[Snakebites]

I doubt it’s fully posturing. I think they consider keeping Bojan to be a viable and acceptable outcome.

It’s possible all they’re getting are firesale type offers at this stage- and they shouldn’t accept those. We don’t have to trade him.

[theBigLip]

Real offers don’t come in until closer to the deadline. So even if this isn’t posturing, it’s still playing the game correctly. We should get solid offers.

So of course Bojan is great to have on this team. But there are “opportunity costs” to do it. Keeping him is essentially spending some of next summer’s cap space. Last I read we would be close to 2 max free agents. So would you want to spend $20M of that for Bojan or prefer to spend it elsewhere? If you choose the latter, then we should be making a trade now for Bojan.

[bstein14]

Real offers don’t come in until closer to the deadline. So even if this isn’t posturing, it’s still playing the game correctly. We should get solid offers.

So of course Bojan is great to have on this team. But there are “opportunity costs” to do it. Keeping him is essentially spending some of next summer’s cap space. Last I read we would be close to 2 max free agents. So would you want to spend $20M of that for Bojan or prefer to spend it elsewhere? If you choose the latter, then we should be making a trade now for Bojan.

For sure, when you consider next year's cap space the team could sign two of the following (Porzingas, FVV, Grant, Draymond, Myles Turner, Cameron Johnson, Kuzma, Gary Trent Jr, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Grant Williams, or whomever else Weaver feels like will be good for us. Or, as we saw with the Duren trade, there is always picks/assets or players available as well if you have cap space to use.

So trading Bojan really has 3 benefits.
1. You get whatever assets you get for him.
2. More cap space in the summer that could lead to another good player or assets.
3. You ensure a bottom 3 record in the league and the best chance at VW.

That said, I would not be surprised at all if the playoffs really are the goal next year and if that's the case I could see Bojan being considered a key part of getting there.

[NYPiston]

Weaver has zero reason to trade him unless he gets a desirable offer. He's in a position of strength when it comes to managing this asset mainly because of the extension in place creating less urgency to deal him.
I'm not convinced that he won't be traded, this just seems like posturing to create a stronger market.

[mattao313]

Isn't this the same thing he did with Grant?

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[zeebneeb]

Real offers don’t come in until closer to the deadline. So even if this isn’t posturing, it’s still playing the game correctly. We should get solid offers.

So of course Bojan is great to have on this team. But there are “opportunity costs” to do it. Keeping him is essentially spending some of next summer’s cap space. Last I read we would be close to 2 max free agents. So would you want to spend $20M of that for Bojan or prefer to spend it elsewhere? If you choose the latter, then we should be making a trade now for Bojan.

For sure, when you consider next year's cap space the team could sign two of the following (Porzingas, FVV, Grant, Draymond, Myles Turner, Cameron Johnson, Kuzma, Gary Trent Jr, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Grant Williams, or whomever else Weaver feels like will be good for us. Or, as we saw with the Duren trade, there is always picks/assets or players available as well if you have cap space to use.

So trading Bojan really has 3 benefits.
1. You get whatever assets you get for him.
2. More cap space in the summer that could lead to another good player or assets.
3. You ensure a bottom 3 record in the league and the best chance at VW.

That said, I would not be surprised at all if the playoffs really are the goal next year and if that's the case I could see Bojan being considered a key part of getting there.

If playoffs are not the goal(not saying its realistic, just the goal)next year, then there are big problems going on behind the scenes.

Zero excuses for next year.

[flow]

Isn't this the same thing he did with Grant?

During Grant's first year here, yes. https://hoopshype.com/rumor/pistons-have-no-interest-in-trading-jerami-grant/ ...And as advertised, he didn't trade him.

The tone shifted during Grant's second season here, when reports surfaced that Weaver was now open to moving Grant. Which he eventually did.

[Manocad]

Yeah, this is a tough one to call. Obviously there is never (that I can think of anyway) an announcement by a GM that he wants to trade Player X; you just hear about it once a trade offer is made public. Point being, not saying Player X is available for a trade doesn’t mean that he isn’t, so “We’re not looking to trade Player X” shouldn’t be taken as meaning he won’t be traded. That being said, if I’m trying to make a prediction on whether or not Player X will be traded I try to think what the impetus is for trading him. And I mean that beyond something like “To get a first rounder” which really translates to “get younger” because certainly you wouldn’t plan on a first rounder being a guaranteed high level scorer like Bojan, or an equivalent value guaranteed high level defensive player. So then you move on to the impetus for getting younger…planning on the team not being highly competitive until after Bojan’s usefulness is likely gone?

The impetus for not trading him is easy; Weaver expects the team to be highly competitive within Bojan’s tenure.

And I don’t really have a guess. Obviously even with Cade healthy and Hayes doing what he’s doing—assuming it continues—this wouldn’t be a playoff team. But how far away would they be? If you have the answer to that question I think you’d be able to determine whether or not Bojan is truly not available.

[tmorgan]

I appreciate what Bojan is doing, but he really does need to be traded. Exercise the TO on Burks and keep him around if you want bench offense from a vet. BB’s value is never going to be higher, we don’t need the extra wins, and since we look a few years away yet, he’s gonna age out before it really matters.

That’s assuming there’s some good offers out there, of course. No hurry.

[bstein14]

One of the other arguments for trading Bojan, is what does our roster look like next year with him still here? I do tend to agree that we might need to remove one of Bojan, Bey, Bagley or Burks from the rotation no matter what just because we do have $55+ million in cap space and hopefully another top 4 draft pick coming into the mix. There just simply might not be enough space for everyone once a healthy Cade is bad and a FA or two is added plus that pick.

[tmorgan]

One of the other arguments for trading Bojan, is what does our roster look like next year with him still here? I do tend to agree that we might need to remove one of Bojan, Bey, Bagley or Burks from the rotation no matter what just because we do have $55+ million in cap space and hopefully another top 4 draft pick coming into the mix. There just simply might not be enough space for everyone once a healthy Cade is bad and a FA or two is added plus that pick.

Bagley was a mistake, not because he’s vastly overpaid (somewhat, I’d say), but because we just don’t need him. Duren, Stewart and a couple of solid, cheaper vets is enough for the 4/5 most nights, especially when we sometimes play a weak defense shooter at the 4 (Bojan, Bey).

One of Burks or Bojan should be enough as well, especially if we draft a forward, be it VW, Whitmore, or someone else.

And I’m already on record saying we should move Bey. He’s not going to be worth what he’s paid after next season barring some serious improvement to the non-scoring aspects of his game. His current game is basically a crappy version of Bojan.

[whitehops]

I appreciate what Bojan is doing, but he really does need to be traded. Exercise the TO on Burks and keep him around if you want bench offense from a vet. BB’s value is never going to be higher, we don’t need the extra wins, and since we look a few years away yet, he’s gonna age out before it really matters.

That’s assuming there’s some good offers out there, of course. No hurry.

once we extended him i thought it was likeliest that we trade bojan in the off season. with so many teams capped out (including us) it really limits the amount of offers that could be offered due to salary matching constraints.

in the off season both parties would have much more flexibility which gives weaver more options to build the team going forward.

[flow]

I appreciate what Bojan is doing, but he really does need to be traded. Exercise the TO on Burks and keep him around if you want bench offense from a vet. BB’s value is never going to be higher, we don’t need the extra wins, and since we look a few years away yet, he’s gonna age out before it really matters.

That’s assuming there’s some good offers out there, of course. No hurry.

The bold is your mindset, but I don't think it's Weaver's.

[FloridaMan78]

Although I agree Bojan should be traded patiently for a good deal, I think there’s little chance of that happening. Someone would have to blow away Weaver with a deal.

James Edwards has been doing the rounds on podcasts. He’s making it pretty clear the Pistons aren’t trading Bojan. Sure it could be posturing, but I don’t think it is. Edwards is saying that they are serious about trying to win next year. Almost like they’re saying this is it. Expectations for next year will be measured by wins.

IMO it’s too soon. But I can understand. I think injuries set us back some, but they aren’t going to use it as an excuse. Pressure will be on to win next year.

[LSV]

That's how I see it.
BOJAN is being an important player on the team, as a veteran who is helping our youngsters understand how the NBA works, not as any veteran at the end of the bench, but as a high-usage starter with a very good hand.
At the moment his position/game and BEY's overlap, and it seems that just like HAYES, BEY is doing well to play a few games in the second unit.
Since neither of them (BOJAN & BEY) is capable of having a level defense, I understand that our FA should be used to find a very good 3&D, which is the position in which this team limps the most.
It will be at that moment, if BEY is still in the team, when BOJAN can be traded, or simply start playing with the second unit if BEY is the one that was traded.
That leaves us with HAYES/CADE or CADE/IVEY for 2 positions, the new player for 3, and STEWART/DUREN for the other 2 positions.
And with a decent second unit, HAYES or IVEY, BURKS, BOJAN or BEY, xxx and BAGLEY.
That may not make us a PLAY-OFF team, but I do think it will make us a competitive team, what would be a big step forward.

[Uncle Mxy]

Does anyone know what Bojan wants, besides Team Bojan?