Pistons not looking to trade Bojan

[NYPiston]

Although I agree Bojan should be traded patiently for a good deal, I think there’s little chance of that happening. Someone would have to blow away Weaver with a deal.

James Edwards has been doing the rounds on podcasts. He’s making it pretty clear the Pistons aren’t trading Bojan. Sure it could be posturing, but I don’t think it is. Edwards is saying that they are serious about trying to win next year. Almost like they’re saying this is it. Expectations for next year will be measured by wins.

IMO it’s too soon. But I can understand. I think injuries set us back some, but they aren’t going to use it as an excuse. Pressure will be on to win next year.

I disagree. It will be Cade's 3rd year (the guy they're building this whole thing around) and while it will "technically" be his 2nd full season because of the injury, I think you're risking discontent among Cade and the young core (three of whom will be in the 4th season and at the tail end of their rookie deals), not to mention the fanbase if they decide to make next season another development season.

At some point, the dial has to move forward for this regime and that time should be next season IMO. The young core will be more mature, they're sitting on a treasure chest of cap space and another high end talent will be added to the mix. If the Pistons want to be considered a destination to add another star or whatnot, they'll need to start winning sooner than later IMO.

[vege]

Does anyone know what Bojan wants, besides Team Bojan?

He seems happy in Detroit, it's pretty much his team with Cade out. He's playing hard and when things don't work he still have more chances next game.

He's been shooting like 35% FG during the clutch (something like that) and we still give him the ball during the clutch every close game.

I think the situation in Utah was super toxic with Mitchell and Gobert, so he is probably happy to not be in that situation anymore.

But I am guessing here, I don't actually know, so maybe someone have some information.

[edmunder_prc]

Although I agree Bojan should be traded patiently for a good deal, I think there’s little chance of that happening. Someone would have to blow away Weaver with a deal.

James Edwards has been doing the rounds on podcasts. He’s making it pretty clear the Pistons aren’t trading Bojan. Sure it could be posturing, but I don’t think it is. Edwards is saying that they are serious about trying to win next year. Almost like they’re saying this is it. Expectations for next year will be measured by wins.

IMO it’s too soon. But I can understand. I think injuries set us back some, but they aren’t going to use it as an excuse. Pressure will be on to win next year.

I disagree. It will be Cade's 3rd year (the guy they're building this whole thing around) and while it will "technically" be his 2nd full season because of the injury, I think you're risking discontent among Cade and the young core (three of whom will be in the 4th season and at the tail end of their rookie deals), not to mention the fanbase if they decide to make next season another development season.

At some point, the dial has to move forward for this regime and that time should be next season IMO. The young core will be more mature, they're sitting on a treasure chest of cap space and another high end talent will be added to the mix. If the Pistons want to be considered a destination to add another star or whatnot, they'll need to start winning sooner than later IMO.

If there is discontent with players like Bey, Hayes or Stewart, they get traded. This team is not a winner yet and the players havent shown enough value that the Pistons need to tip toe around or worry if they get pissy. If they want to win so much - stop playing so badly and win the damn games, right?

None of these guys have shown they are elite and can be counted on as stars. Not one. Cade looked pretty good and if he keeps getting better, especially his shooting, he could be a pretty good player. Pretty good doesnt matter in the playoffs. The Knicks team looked pretty good and got stomped.

I also think its too early, but Weaver might not have a leash that is 'forever' like OKC does. OKC also has die hard fans that fill up that arena every single game. Plus they got SGA who is better than Cade, plus Chet, who if healthy will likely be at the Cade or better level. OKC fans can be happy.

Anyways - I think its still too early and no one on the team is any good except for Bojan who was a 3rd guy on a first round exit playoff team. But they are still young - so there is no rush or there shouldnt be.

I think the Bojan stuff is posturing or Weaver's leash is gone he needs to win starting 1st game next year.

[FloridaMan78]

Although I agree Bojan should be traded patiently for a good deal, I think there’s little chance of that happening. Someone would have to blow away Weaver with a deal.

James Edwards has been doing the rounds on podcasts. He’s making it pretty clear the Pistons aren’t trading Bojan. Sure it could be posturing, but I don’t think it is. Edwards is saying that they are serious about trying to win next year. Almost like they’re saying this is it. Expectations for next year will be measured by wins.

IMO it’s too soon. But I can understand. I think injuries set us back some, but they aren’t going to use it as an excuse. Pressure will be on to win next year.

I disagree. It will be Cade's 3rd year (the guy they're building this whole thing around) and while it will "technically" be his 2nd full season because of the injury, I think you're risking discontent among Cade and the young core (three of whom will be in the 4th season and at the tail end of their rookie deals), not to mention the fanbase if they decide to make next season another development season.

At some point, the dial has to move forward for this regime and that time should be next season IMO. The young core will be more mature, they're sitting on a treasure chest of cap space and another high end talent will be added to the mix. If the Pistons want to be considered a destination to add another star or whatnot, they'll need to start winning sooner than later IMO.

If there is discontent with players like Bey, Hayes or Stewart, they get traded. This team is not a winner yet and the players havent shown enough value that the Pistons need to tip toe around or worry if they get pissy. If they want to win so much - stop playing so badly and win the damn games, right?

None of these guys have shown they are elite and can be counted on as stars. Not one. Cade looked pretty good and if he keeps getting better, especially his shooting, he could be a pretty good player. Pretty good doesnt matter in the playoffs. The Knicks team looked pretty good and got stomped.

I also think its too early, but Weaver might not have a leash that is 'forever' like OKC does. OKC also has die hard fans that fill up that arena every single game. Plus they got SGA who is better than Cade, plus Chet, who if healthy will likely be at the Cade or better level. OKC fans can be happy.

Anyways - I think its still too early and no one on the team is any good except for Bojan who was a 3rd guy on a first round exit playoff team. But they are still young - so there is no rush or there shouldnt be.

I think the Bojan stuff is posturing or Weaver's leash is gone he needs to win starting 1st game next year.

Yea this is where I’m at.

I get it. It’s been a lot of losing. But like you said no one’s shown anything yet.

It seems like Weaver is going to try to turn the corner without the team actually doing it yet. Whether that’s because he thinks it’s time or Gores is starting to put pressure on we’ll probably never know.

I hope they don’t rush it, but I think they’re going to.

[NYPiston]

Yea this is where I’m at.

I get it. It’s been a lot of losing. But like you said no one’s shown anything yet.

It seems like Weaver is going to try to turn the corner without the team actually doing it yet. Whether that’s because he thinks it’s time or Gores is starting to put pressure on we’ll probably never know.

I hope they don’t rush it, but I think they’re going to.

I don't think they should rush it either in terms of going all in (trading futures for immediate help etc.) but I don't think they can afford to tank another year with purely young players and a few average vets flanking them. I think at least one substantial add like a Kuzma, Grant Williams, somebody like that is necessary to move the dial forward and get this thing on the right track because., I'm telling you, if they aren't at least playing meaningful games late in the year next season, things are likely to start going sour among players and fans. There needs to be some sort of move towards building a winner this offseason IMO.

[bstein14]

Yea this is where I’m at.

I get it. It’s been a lot of losing. But like you said no one’s shown anything yet.

It seems like Weaver is going to try to turn the corner without the team actually doing it yet. Whether that’s because he thinks it’s time or Gores is starting to put pressure on we’ll probably never know.

I hope they don’t rush it, but I think they’re going to.

I don't think they should rush it either in terms of going all in (trading futures for immediate help etc.) but I don't think they can afford to tank another year with purely young players and a few average vets flanking them. I think at least one substantial add like a Kuzma, Grant Williams, somebody like that is necessary to move the dial forward and get this thing on the right track because., I'm telling you, if they aren't at least playing meaningful games late in the year next season, things are likely to start going sour among players and fans. There needs to be some sort of move towards building a winner this offseason IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us go after FVV again in FA. A guy with championship experience, who we went after previously in Weaver's first season (reportedly offered him $80 million over 4 years before landing Grant), and someone who has ties to Casey as well.

Cade / FVV / Bojan / Stewart / Duren
Hayes / Ivey / (#4 pick) / Bey / Bagley

Livers and Knox as cheap 11th and 12th guys on the roster ready to step in when needed. This scenario would have us trading away Burks because there would be no room for him if we have FVV.

On many nights I do feel like Knox has outperformed Bey this season, and I also think Livers could give Bey a run for his money as well... so you can also understand why Weaver may be considering moving Bey because you don't want him in his 4th year as your 11th man and if we add one good FA, one more top 5 pick, and one of the other cheap young guys (Knox or Livers) steps up Bey is sitting out of the rotation all of the sudden.

[LSV]

Yea this is where I’m at.

I get it. It’s been a lot of losing. But like you said no one’s shown anything yet.

It seems like Weaver is going to try to turn the corner without the team actually doing it yet. Whether that’s because he thinks it’s time or Gores is starting to put pressure on we’ll probably never know.

I hope they don’t rush it, but I think they’re going to.

I don't think they should rush it either in terms of going all in (trading futures for immediate help etc.) but I don't think they can afford to tank another year with purely young players and a few average vets flanking them. I think at least one substantial add like a Kuzma, Grant Williams, somebody like that is necessary to move the dial forward and get this thing on the right track because., I'm telling you, if they aren't at least playing meaningful games late in the year next season, things are likely to start going sour among players and fans. There needs to be some sort of move towards building a winner this offseason IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised to see us go after FVV again in FA. A guy with championship experience, who we went after previously in Weaver's first season (reportedly offered him $80 million over 4 years before landing Grant), and someone who has ties to Casey as well.

Cade / FVV / Bojan / Stewart / Duren
Hayes / Ivey / (#4 pick) / Bey / Bagley

Livers and Knox as cheap 11th and 12th guys on the roster ready to step in when needed. This scenario would have us trading away Burks because there would be no room for him if we have FVV.

On many nights I do feel like Knox has outperformed Bey this season, and I also think Livers could give Bey a run for his money as well... so you can also understand why Weaver may be considering moving Bey because you don't want him in his 4th year as your 11th man and if we add one good FA, one more top 5 pick, and one of the other cheap young guys (Knox or Livers) steps up Bey is sitting out of the rotation all of the sudden.

I'd rather spend the FA money on a 3, who's a good 3&D, an above average defender, and a good hand for 3-pointer.

[Snakebites]

FVV has actually been pretty bad for a while now. He’s a big reason for the Raptors poor play thus far.

[bstein14]

FVV has actually been pretty bad for a while now. He’s a big reason for the Raptors poor play thus far.

He is having a career low year in 3 point shooting, not sure anything else has fallen off he's still just 28. He's still a vet who knows how to run the show and you'd have to imagine he'll bounce back shooting wise at some point. IMO he'd be a better add than Kuzma, especially if we're keeping Bojan.

That said, with Ivey on board its certainly possible that Weaver has zero interest in FVV and instead will look elsewhere. I'd be more excited about Cam Johnson but he's restricted and Phoenix just got a new owner so its feeling super unlikely that he ends up leaving for anything less than a huge overpay.

[joedumars1]

I find it a little weird we aren’t trying to move a almost retired player if we can get a 1st. Just think weaver is bsing. Sure bojan is a pro and can help with leadership, but I’d think they will move him to a contender to let him have a shot at a title and to get something for him, also opens up more minutes for the younger guys. If we keep him cool, but I don’t see it

[zeebneeb]

**** is starting to hit the fan around the league with unhappy players, teams not performing as they should, e.t.c. Weaver plays his cards right, could be looking at a great deal on the horizon.

We'll see.

[flow]

Ok, let's do an exercise.

You're a first time GM, in the midst of your third year of a rebuild. You've benefited from winning the draft lottery & franchise player in year two. Your goal is to become a playoff team in your fourth year, which also happens to be the final year on your contract.

Why on earth would you look to move your 2nd best player & best shooter, who you just traded for and extended, ahead of your fourth year?

Answer: You wouldn't.

[tmorgan]

Weaver extended. Job security accomplished. Bojan trade more likely?

[Snakebites]

Weaver extended. Job security accomplished. Bojan trade more likely?

I think it gives him the security to take some additional risks and is a clear show of confidence from our ownership. It is also better than the Van Gundy situation, where he was basically given a playoff mandate that lead to short sighted moves.

I don’t think it makes the trade of any specific player more likely.