Shams: Troy Weaver, Pistons Agree to Contract Extension

Laimbeer · Post #1 » by **Laimbeer** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:31 pm

Laimbeer · Post #2 » by **Laimbeer** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:34 pm

I've been one of the less enthusiastic supporters of Weaver, but he's moved us in a positive direction. I like this and hope it eases any 'win now' pressure.

DetroitSho · Post #3 » by **DetroitSho** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:11 pm

Laimbeer wrote:I've been one of the less enthusiastic supporters of Weaver, but he's moved us in a positive direction. I like this and hope it eases any 'win now' pressure.

There's no pressure to ease. That was clearly never the case. Just people making it up as they go.

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MortSahlfan · Post #4 » by **MortSahlfan** » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:23 pm

When does his contract end?

bstein14 · Post #5 » by **bstein14** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:41 am

Probably no GM in the history of the league has gotten an extension with a lower winning %. But we won't have an answer to whether or not his moved will have worked by the time his 4th and final season was up so it makes sense to extend him a few more years because by then we'll know... If we haven't won a playoff series by year 6 then obviously things didn't pan out.

vege · Post #6 » by **vege** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:05 am

Ouch. I think he have done an awful job, and I know this is not a popular opinion but I don't care.

He got luck to win the lottery, and he managed to rob the Knicks and Charlotte and draft Duren, but other than that his moves have been terrible.

NYPiston · Post #7 » by **NYPiston** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:47 am

I'm still trying to figure out if Weaver is a good GM or not. Drafting has been hit or miss, trades have been pretty good for the most part, signings have been meh and while the team looks well positioned going forward, the current product stinks and they don't appear to be a team on the cusp of winning anytime soon so he is TBD as far as I'm concerned. Some people are sold on him, I'm in wait and see mode.

zeebneeb · Post #8 » by **zeebneeb** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:39 am

On one hand, it's impossible to say that Weaver hasn't changed the fortunes of the team. He dismantled the team faster then any GM in history, has had #7 #1 #5 #13 picks in the lottery, and hired a good development coach. Has signed several good free agents, and some good trades as well. He brought hope.

The bad is that the team is in the midst of its worst stretch in team history, and perhaps the second, or third worst 4 year stretch ever. He has held onto one of the worst gametime coaches, and players have to be getting absolutely sick of losing by now, and could be forming some bad habits.

I am disappointed now as I sincerely believed that this year the team would start showing some improvement. Not playoffs, but perhaps sliding into the play-in, or come close. Welp, thats not the case.

The team started off worse then ever, routinely getting dismantled by double digits, and if memory serves, setting a new team record for most consecutive games having been down double digits, and then Cade got hurt, and out for the season.

This season, so far, has been brutal, but the trade for Bogie was brilliant, and could possibly end up landing the team another draft day coup like the one for Duren.

I don't have a problem with the extension, as it's not my money, and if things go sideways, Weaver can just be fired. I'm seeing some fans saying that there's no pressure next year, but if the team is this bad again next year, Weaver is going to be on the hot seat. I mean I understand things take time, but 5 straight years of 25 and under wins would be exceedingly rare.*(Vancouver had 7 straight years but they were an expansion team, and the Warriors did it for 5 years 97-98 2001-02) Think about 30 teams, decades of seasons, and only 2 teams have ever had 5 or more straight years of 25 or less wins. Being good is difficult, but being really bad is just as difficult, if not moreso.

Now I am probably getting ahead of myself, but if this season continues as is, its almost a lock they finish with another sub 25 win season. On track right now for a 19 win season i believe. If the team stumbles again next year, the Pistons will join a unglamorous club of losers.

TLDR; Team better show improvement next year, and win more then 25 damn games.

Manocad · Post #9 » by **Manocad** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:42 am

Love it

Scottgaf · Post #10 » by **Scottgaf** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:19 pm

The team he inherited was awful. They were old, expensive, and had zero direction.

At least now, he's added solid talent, added some good vet talent at affordable prices, and ridded the team of albatross deals.

This team is in great cap shape.

Whether or not he succeeds from here is dependent on one more sot at the lottery, Cade coming back strong, and how he spends up to the cap.

At least now, this team has a path to success.

Billl · Post #11 » by **Billl** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:42 pm

If you look back at the team and cap situation he inherited and then look at the roster now, he obviously has done some nice work. Unfortunately, that was kinda the easy part. Now that he's gotten all that flexibility and youth, he's got to do something with it and put a winning product on the floor.

mattao313 · Post #12 » by **mattao313** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:47 pm

Billl wrote:If you look back at the team and cap situation he inherited and then look at the roster now, he obviously has done some nice work. Unfortunately, that was kinda the easy part. Now that he's gotten all that flexibility and youth, he's got to do something with it and put a winning product on the floor.

Yup pretty much exactly where I'm at now. This is the real challenge now.

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Sort · Post #13 » by **Sort** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:33 pm

Ugh, not the biggest fan of this move. The Pistons not only have the worst record in the league, but often look like one of the worst teams in recent memory. They're exceptionally bad. And please, the argument that this team has more talent doesn't hold up for me. You start two rookies and no surprise they're losing games. The truth is that they're an awful, unorganized mess defensively most games that is pushing "the process" to new levels of ineptitude.

Nobody should be celebrated for putting an awful team out there three years running. Maybe it will work out, and looking like a disaster for so long will produce a real team, competing and winning.

I'd say it's just as likely Pistons have a new GM in a few years. Hope I'm wrong, but it's what I see.

Manocad · Post #14 » by **Manocad** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:36 pm

LOOOOOOVE IT

whitehops · Post #15 » by **whitehops** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:06 am

my guess is the extension is only for an extra year or two on top of his original four. pretty common for execs/coaches to get extensions in advance so their judgement isn't impaired by feeling pressured to put a better product on the floor immediately.

his original contract lined up with hayes, bey and stewart's rookie contracts so a year extension would put him in line with the end of cade's rookie contract. at that time there will be a lot more clarity on where the team stands roster-wise.

bstein14 · Post #16 » by **bstein14** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:22 am

whitehops wrote:my guess is the extension is only for an extra year or two on top of his original four. pretty common for execs/coaches to get extensions in advance so their judgement isn't impaired by feeling pressured to put a better product on the floor immediately.

his original contract lined up with hayes, bey and stewart's rookie contracts so a year extension would put him in line with the end of cade's rookie contract. at that time there will be a lot more clarity on where the team stands roster-wise.

I would agree its probably a two year extension which would put him here for another 3 seasons. That gives Gores a good idea as to whether or not Weaver hit on any of his 2020, 2021, and 2022 draft picks. We'll have a really good idea towards the end of the extension whether or not Weaver has built this team into a young up and coming potential contender or just got them to middle of the road team that's a first round exit at best.

whitehops · Post #17 » by **whitehops** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:00 am

bstein14 wrote:
whitehops wrote:my guess is the extension is only for an extra year or two on top of his original four. pretty common for execs/coaches to get extensions in advance so their judgement isn't impaired by feeling pressured to put a better product on the floor immediately.

his original contract lined up with hayes, bey and stewart's rookie contracts so a year extension would put him in line with the end of cade's rookie contract. at that time there will be a lot more clarity on where the team stands roster-wise.

I would agree its probably a two year extension which would put him here for another 3 seasons. That gives Gores a good idea as to whether or not Weaver hit on any of his 2020, 2021, and 2022 draft picks. We'll have a really good idea towards the end of the extension whether or not Weaver has built this team into a young up and coming potential contender or just got them to middle of the road team that's a first round exit at best.

that would also give him until the theoretical "peak" of developing young talent + cap space to work with. whoever we keep of hayes/bey/stewart will be on vet contracts, cade's (presumably max) extension will have just kicked in and we'll likely still have whomever he signs in the next two off seasons.

TPA · Post #18 » by **TPA** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:04 am

OK soooo, 2.5 yrs. into his tenure with the Pistons. The roster has been turned over, masterfully. A bunch of 1-3 year players on the roster. A few decent vets on short-term contracts. Pretty good draft acumen. Some questionable FA maneuvering, but nothing disastrous. A mediocre carry-over head coach. Some bad player health luck over the course of his tenure...
IMO, phase two will be determined by the moves made between this coming trade deadline and the finish of NEXT season. Detroit is (no doubt) playing this season for another high lottery pick. This next draft will be huge for Detroit. He has to take a guy who shows good potential, with respect to the talent level of the team. Luck is going to play a part.
Next season there are players that are either going to need an extension or be moved in deals. How Troy navigates the extensions and concedes those unworthy will be crucial. On top of that is the FA money he will have to spend. He's got to be selective with the available money. He can't screw up by signing marginal guys to bad deals just because the money is there. This is my biggest worry.
The next two years are going to be HUGE in deciding the legacy that Troy Weaver makes for his tenure as GM in Detroit. I'm very excited and optimistic about it and have faith that he keeps the franchise moving forward.

buzzkilloton · Post #19 » by **buzzkilloton** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:12 am

I'm a Weaver bull but anything more then 1-2years is a spew by ownership. We have no idea how well Weaver is going to play the cap with all these players needing to be resigned.

The Bagley contract where Weaver bidded against himself ended at 11mill per,. I tried to see some logic in that move but seeing it play out their wasnt any. Bagley is being paid as a top 120 player and hes not even a top 200 NBA player. Its not even a one year deal hes in the rotation 3 more years thats gross.

Weavers had some good picks of course but hes mostly did what any solid GM would do given a leash to tank. Made some good trades taking advantage of dumb teams. Loved the Grant,BB,and Duren pick ups esp.

That said I see two HUGE misses on Weavers resume. The Haliburton pick was a huge miss(i wouldnt of took him but many are saying they would of)and even bigger was he passed up the offer of SGA+6 for the Cade pick. SGA is now a 30 6 5 62%TS almost 3 stocks super star. SGA is so good the Thunder trying their best to tank cant as hes breaking out for his first of many All NBA season. We could of used pick 6 on a guy like Wagner. If Weaver made the perfect moves right now we would have a starting backcourt of Haliburton and SGA with Wagner+ other guys competing for the East.

Post #20 » by **theBigLip** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:38 am

Weaver got a team with **** talent and very **** cap space. We now have a great young roster with exceptional cap flexibility and room for almost 2 max free agents next year. If you would have promised me that 3 years ago, I'd sign up in a second. He earned the extension.

But as others alluded, the next step is here. Are we a playoff team next year? Reasonable expectations.