RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
The fans should boycott this team until they start making an effort
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
Stupid stupid stupid, thank God Bullock won the tip
Defense wins draft lotteries!
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
We can only win with the 3s.
Tonight our 5/5 in the 4th quarter change the game.
Tonight our 5/5 in the 4th quarter change the game.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
They finally got it going when Luka vame back, but froze in the last 2 minutes, but a win is a win against a PO rival.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
Bipolar Mavs strike again, this time it's a W! Stay tuned for the next episode.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
Damn, needed that W!
I definitely think Bertans needs to be sprinkled in more. When he’s in a rhythm and hitting it certainly helps the offense. He runs so hard to his spots too, so he’s stretching the defense just by hustling.
I liked the action Dallas ran on offense towards the end. Pretty common NBA set, but works great with shooters and a good roll man. Definitely need to incorporate that more.
I definitely think Bertans needs to be sprinkled in more. When he’s in a rhythm and hitting it certainly helps the offense. He runs so hard to his spots too, so he’s stretching the defense just by hustling.
I liked the action Dallas ran on offense towards the end. Pretty common NBA set, but works great with shooters and a good roll man. Definitely need to incorporate that more.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
kacey ring wrote:Damn, needed that W!
I definitely think Bertans needs to be sprinkled in more. When he’s in a rhythm and hitting it certainly helps the offense. He runs so hard to his spots too, so he’s stretching the defense just by hustling.
I liked the action Dallas ran on offense towards the end. Pretty common NBA set, but works great with shooters and a good roll man. Definitely need to incorporate that more.
Yeah that basic THJ or similar brings the ball up, hands it to Wood who literally just stands and waits for Luka to take it out of his hand set worked quite well. Certainly far better than most awful Mavs 2022 offensive plays.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
It was a weird game, Wolves basically ignored Bullock all game, and he waited until the last 5 minutes to punish them, Mavs ignored Rivers and he torched them, if Russel shot 20% from 3, Wolves win this game.
I wouldn't call it live by the 3, the Mavs were awful from 3 all game, they hit 5 3s late to turn from awful to below average, their lack of shooting killed the spacing.
Missing Green/DFS was really bad, had to play Bullock 35 minutes, and he was unplayable for most of the 35, he woke up in the right time, I thought Bertans should've played more on.
Mavs are VERY lucky they don't have B2Bs the next 5 games, the rotation is very short.
I wouldn't call it live by the 3, the Mavs were awful from 3 all game, they hit 5 3s late to turn from awful to below average, their lack of shooting killed the spacing.
Missing Green/DFS was really bad, had to play Bullock 35 minutes, and he was unplayable for most of the 35, he woke up in the right time, I thought Bertans should've played more on.
Mavs are VERY lucky they don't have B2Bs the next 5 games, the rotation is very short.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
This team should approach each game as if they had been emasculated the game before. Fascinating how the level of intensity is different.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
I believe the biggest news was that Luka didn't complain about referring.
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We played without our 3 best defenders and our defense was not so bad... So their defense is overrated for sure and team defense >>>> man defense.
The Sky isn't falling without DFS and Kleber like some of us always said.
The Sky isn't falling without DFS and Kleber like some of us always said.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
41Dirk41 wrote:We played without our 3 best defenders and our defense was not so bad... So their defense is overrated for sure and team defense >>>> man defense.
The Sky isn't falling without DFS and Kleber like some of us always said.
Unfortunatley its one game and that team didnt have their best offensive player
But lets not forget the other "best defender" that didnt play. Mavs FO should take notice that Josh Green will never be the 3rd most important piece. Their egos just cant handle the fact that they made a terrible pick, so they'll keep propping him up
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daoneandonly wrote:41Dirk41 wrote:We played without our 3 best defenders and our defense was not so bad... So their defense is overrated for sure and team defense >>>> man defense.
The Sky isn't falling without DFS and Kleber like some of us always said.
Unfortunatley its one game and that team didnt have their best offensive player
But lets not forget the other "best defender" that didnt play. Mavs FO should take notice that Josh Green will never be the 3rd most important piece. Their egos just cant handle the fact that they made a terrible pick, so they'll keep propping him up
Green is in my list of 3 best defenders, i counted him.
Probably you are right, he will never be a 3rd best player of a contender but at least he really plays on the both side(not like DFS like you said days ago).
Maybe the only 1 on the team... And he doesn't have a lot of trade value, we can't flip him for a better player. Not happens.
We have to trade some of our duplicate role players but they have value only for Cuban so probably no moves for this year too.
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41Dirk41 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:41Dirk41 wrote:We played without our 3 best defenders and our defense was not so bad... So their defense is overrated for sure and team defense >>>> man defense.
The Sky isn't falling without DFS and Kleber like some of us always said.
Unfortunatley its one game and that team didnt have their best offensive player
But lets not forget the other "best defender" that didnt play. Mavs FO should take notice that Josh Green will never be the 3rd most important piece. Their egos just cant handle the fact that they made a terrible pick, so they'll keep propping him up
Green is in my list of 3 best defenders, i counted him.
Probably you are right, he will never be a 3rd best player of a contender but at least he really plays on the both side(not like DFS like you said days ago).
Maybe the only 1 on the team... And he doesn't have a lot of trade value, we can't flip him for a better player. Not happens.
We have to trade some of our duplicate role players but they have value only for Cuban so probably no moves for this year too.
Here's a pretty important factor imo. DFS was not drafted, and worked his butt off to play like someone who should have been a first round draft pick
Grene was drafted #18, ahead of guys like Maxey, Bane, Bey, McDanaiels, and has shown zero desire to put in the work and be better than those guys.
Here's a story to put it into perspective. There was once a boss who made the salaries of all of his direct reports public knowledge to the whole team. His belief was if you think ur better than someone making more than u, prove it, outwork them and ull be compensated accordingly. It worked for several of the employees, productivity improved also.
Desmond Bane called out Josh Green for being a DNP-CD, the next time DAL played Memp, Josh Green did nothing to put him in his place. All he did was continue to put up average 10th man stats, and to this day he continues to do the same.
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Kleber and DFS together are averaging 14.6/7.5 in 57 minutes. They're nowhere near good enough in D to compensate those pedestrian numbers. Wood for comparison has 17.2/8.1 in 27 minutes.
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Re: RS 22/23 - Mavs @ Wolves Part II (Wed, 8PM EST)
Bob8 wrote:Kleber and DFS together are averaging 14.6/7.5 in 57 minutes. They're nowhere near good enough in D to compensate those pedestrian numbers. Wood for comparison has 17.2/8.1 in 27 minutes.
But Wood is worse on D than those guys are on O. I'm not defending them, thye need to play better. But Wood is just erratic and always seems to lose his man on D. That block yesterday was one of the only times he made a good defensive play
It cant be a coincidence that this team keeps losing to teams without their best or even 2 best players the year Wood arrives. A guy who is known to not care and put in effort and just cares about scoring.
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daoneandonly wrote:Bob8 wrote:Kleber and DFS together are averaging 14.6/7.5 in 57 minutes. They're nowhere near good enough in D to compensate those pedestrian numbers. Wood for comparison has 17.2/8.1 in 27 minutes.
But Wood is worse on D than those guys are on O. I'm not defending them, thye need to play better. But Wood is just erratic and always seems to lose his man on D. That block yesterday was one of the only times he made a good defensive play
It cant be a coincidence that this team keeps losing to teams without their best or even 2 best players the year Wood arrives. A guy who is known to not care and put in effort and just cares about scoring.
I'm not saying that Wood is great, but in this modern Nba you need scoring capability to be impactful. You can't have multiple players playing around 30 minutes and average 5-8 points. Wood is averaging only 2 points less than DFS, Kleber and Bullock together.
Mavs are playing bad against bad teams, because they don't have players to score against those bad teams. The only weapon they have is shooting 3s and if they are not falling, you're going to lose against good or bad teams.
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daoneandonly wrote:41Dirk41 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:
Unfortunatley its one game and that team didnt have their best offensive player
But lets not forget the other "best defender" that didnt play. Mavs FO should take notice that Josh Green will never be the 3rd most important piece. Their egos just cant handle the fact that they made a terrible pick, so they'll keep propping him up
Green is in my list of 3 best defenders, i counted him.
Probably you are right, he will never be a 3rd best player of a contender but at least he really plays on the both side(not like DFS like you said days ago).
Maybe the only 1 on the team... And he doesn't have a lot of trade value, we can't flip him for a better player. Not happens.
We have to trade some of our duplicate role players but they have value only for Cuban so probably no moves for this year too.
Here's a pretty important factor imo. DFS was not drafted, and worked his butt off to play like someone who should have been a first round draft pick
Grene was drafted #18, ahead of guys like Maxey, Bane, Bey, McDanaiels, and has shown zero desire to put in the work and be better than those guys.
Here's a story to put it into perspective. There was once a boss who made the salaries of all of his direct reports public knowledge to the whole team. His belief was if you think ur better than someone making more than u, prove it, outwork them and ull be compensated accordingly. It worked for several of the employees, productivity improved also.
Desmond Bane called out Josh Green for being a DNP-CD, the next time DAL played Memp, Josh Green did nothing to put him in his place. All he did was continue to put up average 10th man stats, and to this day he continues to do the same.
I don't care about that, became an NBA player despite not be drafted earn respect for sure but not make you a better player of what you put on the floor.
DFS at 22 yo was not even in NBA, Josh at that age is a good rotation player with upside.
Is Bane better? Maxey? Probably yes, but who cares now?
Looking at players drafted before him is useless, now we have him and we HAVE to develop him in the better way possible. (Fu*k Grayson who injuried him)
I see a lot of chance that he will became better than DFS , Who is a good role player and can't dribble, pass or create his own shoot. Nothing more.
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Bob8 wrote:Kleber and DFS together are averaging 14.6/7.5 in 57 minutes. They're nowhere near good enough in D to compensate those pedestrian numbers. Wood for comparison has 17.2/8.1 in 27 minutes.
The league always critized Smart for his offensive skills despite great defense... And his offense is waaaaaaay better than them.