Welcome Derrick White

[GoCeltics123]

Can we make this the new tank thread

Btw Derrick is good, he's having a horrible month though. It's a joke. But so is everybody except Rob.

[celticfan42487]

He was one of the critical cogs of the Oct-Nov Celtics killing machine. He has to go nowhere, and he'll be back to normal soon. I hope you manage to keep the thread going until then.

This is his normal.

He's a career 44 fg% and 34.5% 3 shooter.

He goes hot and cold from the field.

He defends PGs well because he's too weak to defend guards.

Derrick White hasn't regressed.

But on THIS ROSTER, we have upgraded our guards past a role for Derrick White.

We just have a lot of exceptional guards, one which is a superstar version of him in Marcus Smart. Derrick White would bring something unique next to Trae Young, but not next to Marcus Smart.

What we need in his 25 mpg is a big wing (SF/PF even) to let us continue to have size on the court and dominate.

With Smart, Brogdon, Brown and in case of injuries Pritchard... we need to trade White for a 6'7 or so big wing to bring in and bring size and bigger switchability on defense.

Or if not size and defensive ability, then size and more dynamic offensive capabilities than what Hauser does who is great as set shot 3s but there's more to offense than standing at the 3 point line as Brogdon demonstrates nightly and is our second most consistent option on offense no matter how the game is going because of it.

If we go down the offensive route then when we go "small ball" it would be TimeLord with 6'8-6'6" guys next to Brogdon. Which would still be a horrifically difficult defense to score on. Or conversely our form of the Warriors death lineup would be the same but with Horford at Center... which again due to the switchability would make it horrifically difficult to score on in the modern NBA.

This is about giving your team options and ways to win.

White is a complete and utter redundancy on the team at this point and one who due to his weakness on offense and lack of versatility on defense makes is a lesser sum of the parts than the inverse.

Sure he'll get another hot streak going... but guess what he'll follow that up again with a longer cold streak... as he always does... that's how you end up being a career below average 3 point shooter in the Spurs system.

And that's how you end up tanking our offense throughout the playoffs last year when all those easy regular season shots you got hot off go away.

[Captain_Caveman]

He's a **** bench player.

We paid too much for him given the possible swap, and like a lot of guys in this league, he gets exposed when he is asked to do too much.

What I have learned from the past year or so is that this team isn't good enough to withstand injuries to any of our top 7-8 in the end.

[threrf23]

Little different than last postseason, he was amazing at times and, often, our most impactful player according to the on/off court stats. But his shot ran hot and cold and his shot selection got ugly at times. He makes quick decisions and is capable of making good decisions but seems over his head at times, at pace. Perhaps it brings out the worst in him when the team around him stops playing team ball.

IMO he's a guy you want playing 10 mins a game some nights and 40 mins on other nights. I would rather see him off the bench where his energy has the potential to give us a boost.

[LewisnotMiller]

White is a really good third/fourth guard. Championship level. But he's not a closer (unless you're defending a lead).

His ability to defend points and give help defence is valuable, given that our starting point can defend twos and threes.

[Spin Move]

White is a good player, but he is not a great fit for this team, I think both parties would be beter off with a trade. We need frontcourt help, I would trade him for a bigger 4 then what we currently have, one who can stretch the floor.

White is a basically a poor mans marcus smart, and we already have Marcus smart, he would fit much better elsewhere.

[Bleedsgreen]

Rather see White get lion share of the Minutes than Pritchard. So Rather keep him.

Both Pritchard and White are insurance policies on Smart/Brogdon.

Also White helps keeps Brogdon minutes down. As much as we have a glut in sg/pg position, the redundancy is useful. Face it in the forward positions Tatum and Brown will have most of the minutes that can get covered by some combination of Grant/Hauser/White/Smart/Brogdon/Horford during regular season. Where the centers are Rob/Horford/kornet and break glass in case of emergency Griffin.

Brown can play and is more of an improvement than the Average small forward vs the Average shooting guard.
Have concerns about Hauser and Grant keeping up their shooting. But have trouble seeing a legit shooting veteran being happy with the paltry minutes left after Brown and Tatum. I doubt your best feasible fit of Bojan, Crowder or even a Morris twin will be happy with there minutes on this team.

Though I will throw out an interesting name for a White trade, but Pretty sure it PIE and the sky and Danny would want all the picks Lauri Markkanen. Give a 3 point threat at pf and can shift Tatum and Brown both down. Though might also add a black hole for the ball and If I recall he is not that good Defensively. Though maybe it will give us more length so we are not so weak vs the Big teams like Cleveland/Heat/Orlando

[Wes-J]

Both he and PP need to go. Just can't trust him in the playoffs.

[Fierce1]

White is too erratic.

Can't have that if the goal is a chip.

He's just too expensive at 17.5m per year.
His production is not proportion to the money he's getting.

Celts better off using that money elsewhere.

[Triple7]

White is too erratic.

Can't have that if the goal is a chip.

He's just too expensive at 17.5m per year.
His production is not proportion to the money he's getting.

Celts better off using that money elsewhere.

Problem is, he still got two more years after this. If he plays like this, he is untradeable. Same thing with Grant. I’m fine trading those two to get better. No time to be emotionally attached. Else in a few years, we might lose one or both the Jays if we don’t win.

[robbie84]

Lol he's one of the main reasons we went on such a tear to start the season. He's versatile and complements both the starting unit and bench units nicely.
Gets to the hole very well, creates contact, draws defenders, can slash/cut. Jack of all trades and essential piece for us if we are going to hang banner 18 with this group.
Having him as part of the 2nd unit with Brogdon will be huge coming up against the better second units in the NBA come playoff time.

This reminds me of the fire ime thread last season lol.6 cried

[BK_2020]

We can't win the championship with just 3 people who can dribble.

[BrianFitz]

White is too erratic.

Can't have that if the goal is a chip.

He's just too expensive at 17.5m per year.
His production is not proportion to the money he's getting.

Celts better off using that money elsewhere.

Problem is, he still got two more years after this. If he plays like this, he is untradeable. Same thing with Grant. I’m fine trading those two to get better. No time to be emotionally attached. Else in a few years, we might lose one or both the Jays if we don’t win.

Weren't you two the biggest anti Smart posters a year or two ago? You tend to be such a sky is falling, prisoner of the moment fans. Relax. He's a bench player, who can and has won games for Boston.

[cheezone]

I like D. White and have confidence that he would fill in and hold his own if we had any significant injury to Brogdan or Smart. So he is a great insurance policy I rather rely on him rather than Pritchard.

But I like the trades mentioned and would love if we could flip White for Bojan or Lauri.

Do you guys feel a Bojan and Bey trade for GWill and White is fair. Don’t think Detroit is just going to hand us over Bojan.

Or something like White / PP for Alec B / Bagley and some how get them to throw in Joseph or Hayes

[165bows]

I agree the one agenda posters are a bit grating - but there was a good point made. This guy - who's produced as well as guys the team has given first round picks for in subsequent years - could have been grabbed for free.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01/splits/2023

May as well load up - clear like said above this team goes into a tailspin hard when injuries (or *brutal* cold streaks, ahem, White) hit.

[BK_2020]

I agree the one agenda posters are a bit grating - but there was a good point made. This guy - who's produced as well as guys the team has given first round picks for in subsequent years - could have been grabbed for free.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01/splits/2023

May as well load up - clear like said above this team goes into a tailspin hard when injuries (or *brutal* cold streaks, ahem, White) hit.

Gotta look beyond the points and shooting % with a player like Derrick White. Derrick White is a secondary ball handler who can push the pace in transition and turn on the jets and get to the rim. He's also a great PoA defender who gives you good rim protection from a guard spot. Based on box score numbers Alec Burks might look like Marcus Smart or Derrick White with fewer assists but he's a completely different type of player.

[165bows]

I agree the one agenda posters are a bit grating - but there was a good point made. This guy - who's produced as well as guys the team has given first round picks for in subsequent years - could have been grabbed for free.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01/splits/2023

May as well load up - clear like said above this team goes into a tailspin hard when injuries (or *brutal* cold streaks, ahem, White) hit.

Gotta look beyond the points and shooting % with a player like Derrick White. Derrick White is a secondary ball handler who can push the pace in transition and turn on the jets and get to the rim. He's also a great PoA defender who gives you good rim protection from a guard spot. Based on box score numbers Alec Burks might look like Marcus Smart or Derrick White with fewer assists but he's a completely different type of player.

Sure, and they need that type of ball handling from both the guys they brought in (prob why those two guys were selected over other options). Burks was also billed as the same type of 1/2 guy coming out of college, he's not awful there either, he helps fill that in from the wing. And the shooting is always great to assess (people are a bit obsessed with it at this point), but they also need guys who can get to the FT line.

Like I've mentioned in the past, the front court guys hardly score (or get to the line) at all, so that is a big gap to fill in from somewhere. And it's not going to come from solely three point shooting.

[Triple7]

White is too erratic.

Can't have that if the goal is a chip.

He's just too expensive at 17.5m per year.
His production is not proportion to the money he's getting.

Celts better off using that money elsewhere.

Problem is, he still got two more years after this. If he plays like this, he is untradeable. Same thing with Grant. I’m fine trading those two to get better. No time to be emotionally attached. Else in a few years, we might lose one or both the Jays if we don’t win.

Weren't you two the biggest anti Smart posters a year or two ago? You tend to be such a sky is falling, prisoner of the moment fans. Relax. He's a bench player, who can and has won games for Boston.

What has smart got anything to do with this? If you’ve been here long enough, then you’ll know that most of us love smart and thinks he’s a vital part of this team, and that had been established already.
Weren’t you the biggest troll who just joined us in the bubble to troll this team???? By your wording, you probably ain’t a celtic fan. 500 posts in almost 3 years??? Really? and you accuse us of this hahahaha! Gtfoh

[31to6]

not sure how he got in this thread but I was all about signing Alec Burks last summer.

I love the White trade and believe he's a really good player even when his shot isn't falling. "His shot" right now includes layups, unfortunately, but he's still a really good player.

[playa-hater]

As the self proclaimed shooting coach on here. I am still trying to figure out why D White (while looking closely at video) appears to have started leaning back on his shot. Looked very straight up for the first 2 months. The staff should have better evidence of this than me. as someone who still shoots and plays often, I will tell you that "shooting touch" will come and go at times, but when mechanics has even the slightest change it will affect the shooting much more.