2023 NBA Draft

clyde21 · Post #1121 » by **clyde21** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 4:46 am

Dat2U wrote:I'm a big Dick fan. Best pure shooter in the draft. Got some pop around the rim as well.

we're all big Dick fans

babyjax13 · Post #1122 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:52 am

Nick Smith out indefinitely for knee management: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35301427/arkansas-guard-nick-smith-jr-knee-indefinitely

EvanZ · Post #1123 » by **EvanZ** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:17 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Nick Smith out indefinitely for knee management: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35301427/arkansas-guard-nick-smith-jr-knee-indefinitely

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God Squad · Post #1124 » by **God Squad** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:32 pm

EvanZ wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Nick Smith out indefinitely for knee management: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35301427/arkansas-guard-nick-smith-jr-knee-indefinitely

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Blacks has looked like the better prospect by a far margin IMO & I don't think it's going to change. But who knows with these things really.

clyde21 · Post #1125 » by **clyde21** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:06 pm

tankathon finally updated their rankings and they are still bad

Post #1126 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:37 pm

I know this has been talked about before, just repeating how dumb it is that the Thompson twins went and played in OTE. With the G League and with NIL in college, I have a hard time thinking its financially the smartest route to go. There is also zero marketing going that route as well. I just dont see the positives.

All I think is its a way for guys to make some money while beating up on horrible opposition so their stats can look alright pre draft? But I dont think any front offices are that dumb to buy that. I honestly just dont get it.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #1127 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:47 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I know this has been talked about before, just repeating how dumb it is that the Thompson twins went and played in OTE. With the G League and with NIL in college, I have a hard time thinking its financially the smartest route to go. There is also zero marketing going that route as well. I just dont see the positives.

All I think is its a way for guys to make some money while beating up on horrible opposition so their stats can look alright pre draft? But I dont think any front offices are that dumb to buy that. I honestly just dont get it.

i don't know if front offices "buy" it, rather i just don't think they care when it really comes down to it. don't get me wrong, i think they would rather guys like that play real competition, but when push comes to shove the thompson twins will be drafted in that 5 or 6 range (or even higher).

until guys get punished - meaning they drop significantly in the draft - they will keep playing in crap leagues like OTE or just completely sitting out like Sharpe or Dante Exum back in the day.

lets face it, playing in OTE is basically the same as just sitting out. and GMs have shown they don't care - hell in some ways, it benefits them. rather than getting exposed in college or g league, they get to dominate ****.

azcatz11 · Post #1128 » by **azcatz11** » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:56 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I know this has been talked about before, just repeating how dumb it is that the Thompson twins went and played in OTE. With the G League and with NIL in college, I have a hard time thinking its financially the smartest route to go. There is also zero marketing going that route as well. I just dont see the positives.

All I think is its a way for guys to make some money while beating up on horrible opposition so their stats can look alright pre draft? But I dont think any front offices are that dumb to buy that. I honestly just dont get it.

I think it’s smart tbh. Amen is going to go to 3 and the other bro to 15 for sure. That’s every podcast I’ve listened too…

WargamesX · Post #1129 » by **WargamesX** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:09 am

I know this isn’t a mock draft order thread but I think Flipkowski and Lively are going to both go in the late lottery. They both look like they have starting Center upside depending on what a team needs from the Center spot, plus they are young enough a team should get excited by their upside.

WargamesX · Post #1130 » by **WargamesX** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:14 am

God Squad wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Nick Smith out indefinitely for knee management: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/35301427/arkansas-guard-nick-smith-jr-knee-indefinitely

Back to Black

Blacks has looked like the better prospect by a far margin IMO & I don't think it's going to change. But who knows with these things really.

I am not the biggest fan of Black. I legit worry his outside shot doesn’t translate based on the eye test. With that said Nick Smith being out is definitely going to give him the touches he needs to prove me wrong :lol:

clyde21 · Post #1131 » by **clyde21** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:24 am

WargamesX wrote:I know this isn’t a mock draft order thread but I think Flipkowski and Lively are going to both go in the late lottery. They both look like they have starting Center upside depending on what a team needs from the Center spot, plus they are young enough a team should get excited by their upside.

Lively will be lucky to get drafted, let alone go lotto

Post #1132 » by **Duke4life831** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 12:28 am

WargamesX wrote:I know this isn’t a mock draft order thread but I think Flipkowski and Lively are going to both go in the late lottery. They both look like they have starting Center upside depending on what a team needs from the Center spot, plus they are young enough a team should get excited by their upside.

I have doubts with both of them when it comes to them in the NBA.

Flip: Huge fan of his at the college level, but what is he in the NBA? He has a very high center of gravity and isnt good laterally. Defensively he isnt really a rim protector. Just not sure what he excels at that he will be asked to do in a NBA offensive system.

Lively: He just seems like a dime a dozen to me. Good size and really good mobility, but nothing elite when it comes to his awareness and rotations on the defensive end. He is very agile but he isnt all that explosive as an athlete. Then offensively he reminds me of a DeAndre Jordan at A&M, anything outside of a dunk he is pretty useless. You find these guys in the 2nd round pretty much every year. Koloko who is more explosive and better defensive awareness went in the 2nd round just this past draft.

WargamesX · Post #1133 » by **WargamesX** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:24 am

First let me caveat my prediction based on the fact that I think this draft is pretty talented possible going into the 20’s. I also think more than normal that teams are going to draft for need because outside of a handful of guys there doesn’t seem to be a clear hierarchy talent wise. Also as

Flip: I think his profile as a offensive threat Center causes his stock to rise. He can score inside, and has shown enough outside shot to be intriguing to teams that need a Center that won’t clog the paint. He’s not a rim protector but I think he can get strong enough in time to be a man to man big defender. He’s not going to stop guards but may be able to hang with wings/forwards on the perimeter too.

Lively: For me he looks like A young Mitchell Robinson. More than the other rim protectors we seen the last few seasons. Maybe lottery was too high a prediction but once again I think a team decides they can use a defender at the 5 and pulls that trigger earlier.

God Squad · Post #1134 » by **God Squad** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:36 pm

clyde21 wrote:tankathon finally updated their rankings and they are still bad

I'm still trying to figure out how people still have Nick Smith top 5.

God Squad · Post #1135 » by **God Squad** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:47 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:I know this has been talked about before, just repeating how dumb it is that the Thompson twins went and played in OTE. With the G League and with NIL in college, I have a hard time thinking its financially the smartest route to go. There is also zero marketing going that route as well. I just dont see the positives.

All I think is its a way for guys to make some money while beating up on horrible opposition so their stats can look alright pre draft? But I dont think any front offices are that dumb to buy that. I honestly just dont get it.

I think it’s smart tbh. Amen is going to go to 3 and the other bro to 15 for sure. That’s every podcast I’ve listened too…

It's not really the popular thing around here. But I've been thinking the same thing about Amen. For me atm it's a toss up between him and Whitmore for #3. But I totally understand the concerns about Amen, I just really like the potential. But man the jumper is questionable, particularly the fts.

The-Power · Post #1136 » by **The-Power** » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:28 pm

Finally Arterio Morris showed out two days ago. I still think he could play himself into the late first/early second round range this year. More likely that he stays and plays a more prominent role next season, though – in which case he definitely is someone to watch out for.

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jezzerinho · Post #1137 » by **jezzerinho** » Sat Dec 24, 2022 5:50 pm

God Squad wrote:
clyde21 wrote:tankathon finally updated their rankings and they are still bad

I'm still trying to figure out how people still have Nick Smith top 5.

I'm with you.

Catchall · Post #1138 » by **Catchall** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:32 am

I think Taylor Hendricks could be a top-10 guy. Personally, I like his game more than Brandon Miller. He's much more explosive in the paint and has quicker feet.

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The-Power · Post #1139 » by **The-Power** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:43 am

Catchall wrote:I think Taylor Hendricks could be a top-10 guy. Personally, I like his game more than Brandon Miller. He's much more explosive in the paint.

He should be if the trajectory continues. Him and Miller have a number of similarities in terms of profile but also some notable differences. As you mentioned, Hendricks is more explosive but also stronger which makes him a better finisher and probably a better quarterback or help defender around the rim. But Miller has more on-ball upside as he's a better ball handler and passer. If I drafted both of them as purely off-ball players I'd also be inclined to take Hendricks – but if I believe that Miller could be a secondary or tertiary on-ball creator on the floor (which I think is very possible) then that might give him the edge.

clyde21 · Post #1140 » by **clyde21** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:50 am

to me a pretty obvious top 10 guy if the draft's tomorrow, handle and self-creation need work and defensively i have some questions on ball but the physical profile and scoring skills + productivity already at his age is impressive. pretty confident he'll test/measure well at the combine too.

i think if wasn't at UCF but at more 'mainstream' bball school he'd already be locked in as a lotto guy for most people.