Varsho/Moreno Discussion Thread
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Cant wait to hear his explanation.
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Sounds like an overpayment if its just 2 for 1.
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They both must be pissed about the trade,and Teo.Its not good losing guys that like playing for you.
Varshow is a LHB.Must also be good defensively,and thats what Atkins will say.
Varshow is a LHB.Must also be good defensively,and thats what Atkins will say.
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how is this good for the jays if hes another catcher?
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Holy overpay
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Had a feeling gurriel was on the block after trading Teo. Points to emphasis of changing clubhouse
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Varsho had a 4.6 WAR last season, higher than any Jays position player in 2022 (Bichette lead with a 4.5 WAR). He is a left handed bat with power who plays a great centerfield and can also catch, so he's effectively the 3rd catcher on the roster as well. If you want to argue that Moreno should have been traded for a more established "star", then that's fine, but Varsho is pretty much the dictionary definition of what the Jays needed and comes with 4 more years of team control.
Whether the trade ends up working out for the Jays remains to be seen, but it's a pretty logical swap.
Whether the trade ends up working out for the Jays remains to be seen, but it's a pretty logical swap.
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daulton varsho is not good... like nothing about his offensive profile is exciting. Unless Shatkins think that Moreno's loss of power stroke is real, this is another **** trade in a line of **** trades.
Essentially, if Bo and Vlad don't stick around in 3 years, this team is absolutely back in the tank again. (also clearly, staying below the tax threshold is a thing in this case. FU Rogers).
Essentially, if Bo and Vlad don't stick around in 3 years, this team is absolutely back in the tank again. (also clearly, staying below the tax threshold is a thing in this case. FU Rogers).
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ItsDanger wrote:Sounds like an overpayment if its just 2 for 1.
There must be another player or more coming back. There is no way this just happened.
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guvernator wrote:daulton varsho is not good... like nothing about his offensive profile is exciting. Unless Shatkins think that Moreno's loss of power stroke is real, this is another **** trade in a line of **** trades.
Essentially, if Bo and Vlad don't stick around in 3 years, this team is absolutely back in the tank again. (also clearly, staying below the tax threshold is a thing in this case. FU Rogers).
This trade was about defense. And he's had a higher war than anyone on our team last year. You can be meh on the trade but Varsho is good.
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Whats everyone complaining about? We got the best outfield defender from last year that can hit for power, is a lefty, and can catch.
Moreno is still a nice prospect and gurriel is 27 and will be a free agent next year
Moreno is still a nice prospect and gurriel is 27 and will be a free agent next year
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primecougar wrote:Whats everyone complaining about? We got the best outfield defender from last year that can hit for power, is a lefty, and can catch.
Moreno is still a nice prospect and gurriel is 27 and will be a free agent next year
I don't care for Gurriell at all lol was a idiot in the field, has 0 power now. His best value was his 7/21 contract.
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Twitter keeps referencing this site.
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Holy **** this is bad. Someone please convince me otherwise. The #3 overall prospect AND Gurriel (who is on a great deal) feels like a massive overpay for a 106 wRC+ 26 year old with one good season.
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Varsho offensive number looks meh, good on defense. Just wished I saw more than 1 full season of work
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oh sht. all-in, eh. i'll miss ya, gabby
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T-d0t wrote:Twitter keeps referencing this site.
lol at the casuals referring to this site as if it can predict value of prospects
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Don’t get the “reclamation project” and he’s not good talk. He’s definitely good. And the timeline is good. It’s just if he’s Moreno and Gurriel good.
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I hope Schneider doesn,t go nuts on the guy...moving him all over the place lol.
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hyper316 wrote:Varsho offensive number looks meh, good on defense. Just wished I saw more than 1 full season of work
career .234 with wRC+ 101
last year .235 with wRC+ 106