NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

Decipher · Post #61 » by **Decipher** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:07 am

Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys

Exp0sed · Post #62 » by **Exp0sed** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:17 am

Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys

what do you mean?

Why should they give it to the "best" player?

MVP does not equate "best"

you can be the "best" but sit out half the games due to injury and thus not be as valuable as another player (whose worse than u) to your team

it's also a regular season award
"best" in the context of NBA ball usually means - the most impactful player in the postseason

eyeatoma · Post #63 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:24 am

Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys

Who is the actual best player?

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Decipher · Post #64 » by **Decipher** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:35 am

Exp0sed wrote:
Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys

what do you mean?

Why should they give it to the "best" player?

MVP does not equate "best"

you can be the "best" but sit out half the games due to injury and thus not be as valuable as another player (whose worse than u) to your team

it's also a regular season award
"best" in the context of NBA ball usually means - the most impactful player in the postseason

MVP has somehow morphed into being the best due to social media

LeBron would have won 10 or more if that's the criteria

Curry a couple

KD some

They're the best players

Does anyone actually think that Jokic is better than LeBron?

Let's get real here

Decipher · Post #65 » by **Decipher** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:42 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys
Who is the actual best player?

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Right now it's probably KD

He's setting scoring records while playing elite defence & is basically unguardable

He won't play enough in 2nd half of season to even be in contention for MVP

eyeatoma · Post #66 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 9:50 am

Decipher wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:
Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys

what do you mean?

Why should they give it to the "best" player?

MVP does not equate "best"

you can be the "best" but sit out half the games due to injury and thus not be as valuable as another player (whose worse than u) to your team

it's also a regular season award
"best" in the context of NBA ball usually means - the most impactful player in the postseason

MVP has somehow morphed into being the best due to social media

LeBron would have won 10 or more if that's the criteria

Curry a couple

KD some

They're the best players

Does anyone actually think that Jokic is better than LeBron?

Let's get real here

Haha I hear you.

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Decipher · Post #67 » by **Decipher** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:00 am

eyeatoma wrote:
Decipher wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:

what do you mean?

Why should they give it to the "best" player?

MVP does not equate "best"

you can be the "best" but sit out half the games due to injury and thus not be as valuable as another player (whose worse than u) to your team

it's also a regular season award
"best" in the context of NBA ball usually means - the most impactful player in the postseason

MVP has somehow morphed into being the best due to social media

LeBron would have won 10 or more if that's the criteria

Curry a couple

KD some

They're the best players

Does anyone actually think that Jokic is better than LeBron?

Let's get real here
Haha I hear you.

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It's crazy to me

Literally the only thing that you can criticize LeBron about is not winning more titles but he's been the best player for nearly 20 years

It's a team game

He should have a minimum of 10 mvps

Exp0sed · Post #68 » by **Exp0sed** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:12 am

Decipher wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys
Who is the actual best player?

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Right now it's probably KD

He's setting scoring records while playing elite defence & is basically unguardable

He won't play enough in 2nd half of season to even be in contention for MVP

which scoring record would that be?
KD is playing decent defense which is remarkable considering his age, injury history and the offensive load that he's carrying but he is nowhere near "elite" defensively

he does his part and that's alot
Nets defense owes alot more to guy like Claxton and Simmons
even this version of Simmons whose a negative on the court offensively is still one of the best defenders in the league and the numbers point to that as well

KD is 100% in the Convo right now and pretty high up at that
The Nets started losing a bunch so he was out of it but since they turned their season around and especially now when it looks like they might finish anywhere frm 1st to 4th - he is def a prime candidate for the award, so idk what ur talking about

why wouldn't he "play enough" in the 2nd half of the season, btw?

KD's game and frame allow him to be generally durable, he'll prefer playing by in large
i'm sure he'll sit here and there, but he will prefer to stay in rythm while adding to his numbers and accolades

as for the Lebron bit, r u talking about Lebron's prime or about right now?

at this present time Jokic is much better than Lebron and so are quite a few other players

that's not a knock on Lebron, he's 38
but idk what u mean by - does anyone think "Jokic is better than Lebron?"

if u meant in their primes, that's a whole diff discussion that doesn't belong itt but how is it relevant to the current MVP race?

_NoMas · Post #69 » by **_NoMas** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:22 am

Optms wrote:
Colbinii wrote:I'm not sure what Giannis or Embiix being a better defender has to do with MVP. I don't think the MVP award has ever been "Who do I want to have on my team, in the post-season, more than any other player. Embiid could certainly be that player right now but it doesn't make him MVP.

Defense is literately half the game.

Why is this elite defence not translating to more wins??

eyeatoma · Post #70 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:37 am

Decipher wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Decipher wrote:
MVP has somehow morphed into being the best due to social media

LeBron would have won 10 or more if that's the criteria

Curry a couple

KD some

They're the best players

Does anyone actually think that Jokic is better than LeBron?

Let's get real here
Haha I hear you.

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It's crazy to me

Literally the only thing that you can criticize LeBron about is not winning more titles but he's been the best player for nearly 20 years

It's a team game

He should have a minimum of 10 mvps

Definitely been jipped of 3 or 4.

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eyeatoma · Post #71 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:38 am

_NoMas wrote:
Optms wrote:
Colbinii wrote:I'm not sure what Giannis or Embiix being a better defender has to do with MVP. I don't think the MVP award has ever been "Who do I want to have on my team, in the post-season, more than any other player. Embiid could certainly be that player right now but it doesn't make him MVP.

Defense is literately half the game.

Why is this elite defence not translating to more wins??

It is, they were injured though. The 7 game win streak Philly is on its because of the defense. Philly has a top defense 2 years ago and was 1st in the league.

Problem has always been the offense but with Harden it's much better.

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_NoMas · Post #72 » by **_NoMas** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:42 am

eyeatoma wrote:
_NoMas wrote:
Optms wrote:
Defense is literately half the game.

Why is this elite defence not translating to more wins??
It is, they were injured though. The 7 game win streak Philly is on its because of the defense. Philly has a top defense 2 years ago and was 1st in the league.

Problem has always been the offense but with Harden it's much better.

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Embiid is 14-9 this season. Jokic is 19-9, very different win percentages despite Embiids elite defence. Are you saying that’s because of injuries to teammates? Hopefully you see the irony based on your criticism of Jokic for the past 2 play offs…

eyeatoma · Post #73 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:52 am

_NoMas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
_NoMas wrote:
Why is this elite defence not translating to more wins??
It is, they were injured though. The 7 game win streak Philly is on its because of the defense. Philly has a top defense 2 years ago and was 1st in the league.

Problem has always been the offense but with Harden it's much better.

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Embiid is 14-9 this season. Jokic is 19-9, very different win percentages despite Embiids elite defence. Are you saying that’s because of injuries to teammates? Hopefully you see the irony based on your criticism of Jokic for the past 2 play offs…

The first 5 games Sixers were terrible.

Embiid had no conditioning because of plantar fasciitis.

They were also integrating a lot of new pieces.

Even the LeBron Heat took a while to gel.

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eyeatoma · Post #74 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:57 am

_NoMas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
_NoMas wrote:
Why is this elite defence not translating to more wins??
It is, they were injured though. The 7 game win streak Philly is on its because of the defense. Philly has a top defense 2 years ago and was 1st in the league.

Problem has always been the offense but with Harden it's much better.

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Embiid is 14-9 this season. Jokic is 19-9, very different win percentages despite Embiids elite defence. Are you saying that’s because of injuries to teammates? Hopefully you see the irony based on your criticism of Jokic for the past 2 play offs…

As far as the Jokic comment are you saying they wouldn't perform better with this defense?

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_NoMas · Post #75 » by **_NoMas** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 11:02 am

eyeatoma wrote:
_NoMas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:It is, they were injured though. The 7 game win streak Philly is on its because of the defense. Philly has a top defense 2 years ago and was 1st in the league.

Problem has always been the offense but with Harden it's much better.

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Embiid is 14-9 this season. Jokic is 19-9, very different win percentages despite Embiids elite defence. Are you saying that’s because of injuries to teammates? Hopefully you see the irony based on your criticism of Jokic for the past 2 play offs…
As far as the Jokic comment are you saying they wouldn't perform better with this defense?

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I’m saying it’s a strange argument to say defence is so important and why Giannis and Embiid are ahead of Jokic in the MVP race… when it’s not translating to more wins.

That said I have it very close between all 3, I think Embiid has found the perfect balance right now between elite scoring and elite defence, which I don’t think he always has in the past.

BruttoNostra · Post #76 » by **BruttoNostra** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 11:07 am

Decipher wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:
Decipher wrote:Let's face it

This is a ridiculous "award"

IF they actually gave it to the best player then neither Jokic or Embiid would be in the running & this thread would be dead

Carry on guys

what do you mean?

Why should they give it to the "best" player?

MVP does not equate "best"

you can be the "best" but sit out half the games due to injury and thus not be as valuable as another player (whose worse than u) to your team

it's also a regular season award
"best" in the context of NBA ball usually means - the most impactful player in the postseason

MVP has somehow morphed into being the best due to social media

LeBron would have won 10 or more if that's the criteria

Curry a couple

KD some

They're the best players

Does anyone actually think that Jokic is better than LeBron?

Let's get real here

In year 2022 (and a couple of years back as well)?
Yes, probably the vast majority of basketball community, fans, media etc.

eyeatoma · Post #77 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 11:08 am

_NoMas wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
_NoMas wrote:
Embiid is 14-9 this season. Jokic is 19-9, very different win percentages despite Embiids elite defence. Are you saying that’s because of injuries to teammates? Hopefully you see the irony based on your criticism of Jokic for the past 2 play offs…
As far as the Jokic comment are you saying they wouldn't perform better with this defense?

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I’m saying it’s a strange argument to say defence is so important and why Giannis and Embiid are ahead of Jokic in the MVP race… when it’s not translating to more wins.

That said I have it very close between all 3, I think Embiid has found the perfect balance right now between elite scoring and elite defence, which I don’t think he always has in the past.

Yeah agreed

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HotRocks34 · Post #78 » by **HotRocks34** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:33 pm

NBA.com's MVP ladder from yesterday.
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-23-2022-edition

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Tatum
4. Durant
5. Morant
6. Zion
T7. Doncic
T7. Embiid
9. Mitchell
10. Booker

ty 4191 · Post #79 » by **ty 4191** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:54 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:NBA.com's MVP ladder from yesterday.
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-23-2022-edition

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Tatum
4. Durant
5. Morant
6. Zion
T7. Doncic
T7. Embiid
9. Mitchell
10. Booker

I fail to see why Giannis is ahead of Jokic at this moment.

BelgradeNugget · Post #80 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:01 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:NBA.com's MVP ladder from yesterday.
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-23-2022-edition

1. Giannis
2. Jokic
3. Tatum
4. Durant
5. Morant
6. Zion
T7. Doncic
T7. Embiid
9. Mitchell
10. Booker

I fail to see why Giannis is ahead of Jokic at this moment.

Because they are afraid once they put Jokic on top they will not be able to move him any more. Lessons from the past.

I'm joking Giannis, Tatum, Morant, Doncic, Embiid, Mitchell are all worthy candidates.

Who is your current NBA MVP? (listed alphabetically)