Grant Williams Thread

[BK_2020]

The flipside is the Grant Williams gravity. Or anti-gravity? Literally pushing defenders away from him with sheer willpower.

[BK_2020]

Now, getting Giannis to settle for an open foul-line J is good defense, but that was mostly scheme and not exactly a performance that would lead you to believe Grant is our Giannis stopper. Giannis was even worse against Horford and Blake Griffin.

[return2glory]

So I was very interested in this apparently out of the world defensive performance by Grant so took a closer look. Grant guarded Giannis 9 times the whole game, including times that did not result in a Giannis box score event. This is what happened.

1 Foul line J - Good shot, made 1 42.1
2 Giannis doubled hard by White, passes to Portis. Grant sleeps on Portis and gets a dunk. 2 11.23
3 Foul line J - Good shot, made 2 10.49
4 Isolated against Giannis. Foul no shots 2 8.59
5 Giannis 3 foot layup/floater missed. 2 3.35
6 Giannis top of the key against Grant. Box and 5 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews. 3 2.37
7 Giannis at the free throw line against Grant. Box and 4 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews, swing to open Ingles. 3 2.02
8 Giannis open elbow jumper, missed. 3 1.28
9 Giannis drive. 2 shot foul 4 7.09

Giannis was 2 for 4, drew 2 fouls, and had 2 passes to wide open Matthews, arguably their best 3 point shooter when Middleton is out.

Grant is a self-promoter on the level of Jaylen Brown. He might genuinely believe he stopped Giannis tonight because Giannis shot 6-17 on bricking threes or against Horford or something.

This is what Grant Williams' Giannis-stopping typically looks like.

Not a Grant Williams fan, I take it.

Grant is a great fit for this team, on and off the court. He does a lot for this team. Totally an unselfish player and person.
I thought he played well against the Bucks, on both ends.

[BK_2020]

So I was very interested in this apparently out of the world defensive performance by Grant so took a closer look. Grant guarded Giannis 9 times the whole game, including times that did not result in a Giannis box score event. This is what happened.

1 Foul line J - Good shot, made 1 42.1
2 Giannis doubled hard by White, passes to Portis. Grant sleeps on Portis and gets a dunk. 2 11.23
3 Foul line J - Good shot, made 2 10.49
4 Isolated against Giannis. Foul no shots 2 8.59
5 Giannis 3 foot layup/floater missed. 2 3.35
6 Giannis top of the key against Grant. Box and 5 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews. 3 2.37
7 Giannis at the free throw line against Grant. Box and 4 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews, swing to open Ingles. 3 2.02
8 Giannis open elbow jumper, missed. 3 1.28
9 Giannis drive. 2 shot foul 4 7.09

Giannis was 2 for 4, drew 2 fouls, and had 2 passes to wide open Matthews, arguably their best 3 point shooter when Middleton is out.

Grant is a self-promoter on the level of Jaylen Brown. He might genuinely believe he stopped Giannis tonight because Giannis shot 6-17 on bricking threes or against Horford or something.

This is what Grant Williams' Giannis-stopping typically looks like.

Not a Grant Williams fan, I take it.

Grant is a great fit for this team, on and off the court. He does a lot for this team. Totally an unselfish player and person.
I thought he played well against the Bucks, on both ends.

He played well but there's a world of difference between Grant Williams played well for a roleplayer and Grant Williams is a Giannis-stopper.

[JaMarco]

No one said he shuts Giannis down (that's nearly impossible), you just need a rotation of guys tough and strong enough to prevent him from getting dunks/layups (and aren't a liability offensively). That's all you can realistically do.

[BK_2020]

No one said he shuts Giannis down (that's nearly impossible), you just need a rotation of guys tough and strong enough to prevent him from getting dunks/layups. That's all you can realistically do.

And the other claim is that Grant Williams plays Giannis better than anyone in the (entire league to the entire Celtics roster) and therefore Grant Williams is indispensable to this team's playoff success. This was simply not in evidence yesterday, when Horford and Blake Griffin did what Grant Williams did but better.
Grant Williams is a good roleplayer. He is better than he looks like he should be on defense and he can make wide open threes at a good rate. He's not indispensable.

[BK_2020]

Also I'm split on his intangibles. He's clearly a good teammate and a good overall dude. However, I'm getting a little weary of his self-promotion tendencies (the Batman nickname he's trying to force, e.g.) and his complaining which gets borderline boorish to female refs.

[ballup]

So I was very interested in this apparently out of the world defensive performance by Grant so took a closer look. Grant guarded Giannis 9 times the whole game, including times that did not result in a Giannis box score event. This is what happened.

1 Foul line J - Good shot, made 1 42.1
2 Giannis doubled hard by White, passes to Portis. Grant sleeps on Portis and gets a dunk. 2 11.23
3 Foul line J - Good shot, made 2 10.49
4 Isolated against Giannis. Foul no shots 2 8.59
5 Giannis 3 foot layup/floater missed. 2 3.35
6 Giannis top of the key against Grant. Box and 5 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews. 3 2.37
7 Giannis at the free throw line against Grant. Box and 4 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews, swing to open Ingles. 3 2.02
8 Giannis open elbow jumper, missed. 3 1.28
9 Giannis drive. 2 shot foul 4 7.09

Giannis was 2 for 4, drew 2 fouls, and had 2 passes to wide open Matthews, arguably their best 3 point shooter when Middleton is out.

Grant is a self-promoter on the level of Jaylen Brown. He might genuinely believe he stopped Giannis tonight because Giannis shot 6-17 on bricking threes or against Horford or something.

This is what Grant Williams' Giannis-stopping typically looks like.

I watched Grant's post game interview and he was humble. Nothing about himself being a Giannis stopper, but standard PR answers.

Even if and when Grant wants to be a self proclaimed stopper, why care so much? Itst plainly obvious the guy is a huge talker and that's how he psyches himself to play. Guys play better with confidence.

Grant is a strong, mobile, and smart player. Not irreplaceable, but he's a valuable piece to the team. He's much more of a stopper than Ojeleye.

This commentary of yours is straight up weird. All you do is try to cut down Tatum's teammates to prop him up.

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[BK_2020]

I lean toward your view but I think the intangibles aspect is worth keeping an eye on.
What's weird and antifactual is you completely ignoring the hyperbole being heaped on Grant. You act like my comments are coming out of nowhere, a stance that's possible only from someone who's voluntarily shut himself off from reality.

[London2Boston]

No one is a “Giannis stopper”. You just need several bodies who can rough him up abit and make him work for it. If you can steal some charging fouls then great too.

No point putting Grant down because he isn’t a true Giannis Stopper like anyone else in this league is.

[ballup]

I lean toward your view but I think the intangibles aspect is worth keeping an eye on.
What's weird and antifactual is you completely ignoring the hyperbole being heaped on Grant. You act like my comments are coming out of nowhere, a stance that's possible only from someone who's voluntarily shut himself off from reality.

No one believes Grant on his boasts. Prople roll their eyes at him. The consensus of opinion is that he's a great backup. Some may think he's starting material, but that's a minority.

You, on the other hand, have shown a pattern of strange behaviors. I've seen vastly different types of fans over the years. There's of course a lot of varying opinions and everyone loves different players. People will tolerate their disliked players. These fans will make comments here and there, but they won't go to these kind of lengths to try to openly crap on players on the team. I'm not trying to police how people should act as fans, but what you do is very agenda based. It's obvious, but at the same time, you do a very good job of disguising yourself as a Celtics fan.

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[return2glory]

So I was very interested in this apparently out of the world defensive performance by Grant so took a closer look. Grant guarded Giannis 9 times the whole game, including times that did not result in a Giannis box score event. This is what happened.

1 Foul line J - Good shot, made 1 42.1
2 Giannis doubled hard by White, passes to Portis. Grant sleeps on Portis and gets a dunk. 2 11.23
3 Foul line J - Good shot, made 2 10.49
4 Isolated against Giannis. Foul no shots 2 8.59
5 Giannis 3 foot layup/floater missed. 2 3.35
6 Giannis top of the key against Grant. Box and 5 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews. 3 2.37
7 Giannis at the free throw line against Grant. Box and 4 defense on Giannis. Pass to open Matthews, swing to open Ingles. 3 2.02
8 Giannis open elbow jumper, missed. 3 1.28
9 Giannis drive. 2 shot foul 4 7.09

Giannis was 2 for 4, drew 2 fouls, and had 2 passes to wide open Matthews, arguably their best 3 point shooter when Middleton is out.

Grant is a self-promoter on the level of Jaylen Brown. He might genuinely believe he stopped Giannis tonight because Giannis shot 6-17 on bricking threes or against Horford or something.

This is what Grant Williams' Giannis-stopping typically looks like.

Not a Grant Williams fan, I take it.

Grant is a great fit for this team, on and off the court. He does a lot for this team. Totally an unselfish player and person.
I thought he played well against the Bucks, on both ends.

He played well but there's a world of difference between Grant Williams played well for a roleplayer and Grant Williams is a Giannis-stopper.

No one in the league is a Giannis stopper. Grant Williams does a good job on Giannis and Joker and pretty much any one he guards.

[BK_2020]

No one in the league is a Giannis stopper. Grant Williams does a good job on Giannis and Joker and pretty much any one he guards.

He's ok. He's not great, he's not bad. He's somewhere between Semi and Horford.
I don't mean to be overly negative on Grant. I just think the talks about him deserving $20 mil. a year or being able to start on several teams and what not are a little over the top.
As far as this Christmas game goes, I think people totally misread what happened in the game. Grant had a usual Grant Williams game where he matched up with the opponent star big on a few possessions and played within the scheme. The result was Giannis having great success on possessions where Grant was covering him.

[Parliament10]

No one in the league is a Giannis stopper. Grant Williams does a good job on Giannis and Joker and pretty much any one he guards.

He's ok. He's not great, he's not bad. He's somewhere between Semi and Horford.
I don't mean to be overly negative on Grant. I just think the talks about him deserving $20 mil. a year or being able to start on several teams and what not are a little over the top.
As far as this Christmas game goes, I think people totally misread what happened in the game. Grant had a usual Grant Williams game where he matched up with the opponent star big on a few possessions and played within the scheme. The result was Giannis having great success on possessions where Grant was covering him.

This is misleading. Who else in the League covers all the Big guys, as well as Grant?
You got people in this league making nearly $50M/yr. Grant could Start on many teams, and may well be offered $20M/yr.

[JaMarco]

No one said he shuts Giannis down (that's nearly impossible), you just need a rotation of guys tough and strong enough to prevent him from getting dunks/layups. That's all you can realistically do.

And the other claim is that Grant Williams plays Giannis better than anyone in the (entire league to the entire Celtics roster) and therefore Grant Williams is indispensable to this team's playoff success. This was simply not in evidence yesterday, when Horford and Blake Griffin did what Grant Williams did but better.
Grant Williams is a good roleplayer. He is better than he looks like he should be on defense and he can make wide open threes at a good rate. He's not indispensable.

He's indispensable on the Celtics because they can't replace him in FA because they are over the cap.

[BK_2020]

No one said he shuts Giannis down (that's nearly impossible), you just need a rotation of guys tough and strong enough to prevent him from getting dunks/layups. That's all you can realistically do.

And the other claim is that Grant Williams plays Giannis better than anyone in the (entire league to the entire Celtics roster) and therefore Grant Williams is indispensable to this team's playoff success. This was simply not in evidence yesterday, when Horford and Blake Griffin did what Grant Williams did but better.
Grant Williams is a good roleplayer. He is better than he looks like he should be on defense and he can make wide open threes at a good rate. He's not indispensable.

He's indispensable on the Celtics because they can't replace him in FA because they are over the cap.

Not necessarily. There's the Tax payer MLE, which probably doesn't get used if Grant is signed to a big contract.

[JaMarco]

And the other claim is that Grant Williams plays Giannis better than anyone in the (entire league to the entire Celtics roster) and therefore Grant Williams is indispensable to this team's playoff success. This was simply not in evidence yesterday, when Horford and Blake Griffin did what Grant Williams did but better.
Grant Williams is a good roleplayer. He is better than he looks like he should be on defense and he can make wide open threes at a good rate. He's not indispensable.

He's indispensable on the Celtics because they can't replace him in FA because they are over the cap.

Not necessarily. There's the Tax payer MLE, which probably doesn't get used if Grant is signed to a big contract.

Yes necessarily. An MLE player would be a huge downgrade, which is why Grant is projected to make way more than that.

[themoneyteam2]

And the other claim is that Grant Williams plays Giannis better than anyone in the (entire league to the entire Celtics roster) and therefore Grant Williams is indispensable to this team's playoff success. This was simply not in evidence yesterday, when Horford and Blake Griffin did what Grant Williams did but better.
Grant Williams is a good roleplayer. He is better than he looks like he should be on defense and he can make wide open threes at a good rate. He's not indispensable.

He's indispensable on the Celtics because they can't replace him in FA because they are over the cap.

Not necessarily. There's the Tax payer MLE, which probably doesn't get used if Grant is signed to a big contract.

Touch grass.

[Hal14]

Not a Grant Williams fan, I take it.

Grant is a great fit for this team, on and off the court. He does a lot for this team. Totally an unselfish player and person.
I thought he played well against the Bucks, on both ends.

He played well but there's a world of difference between Grant Williams played well for a roleplayer and Grant Williams is a Giannis-stopper.

No one in the league is a Giannis stopper. Grant Williams does a good job on Giannis and Joker and pretty much any one he guards.

Grant also did very well defending KD in the playoffs when we swept the Nets!

[Kids Are Alright]

He’s my favorite 3 and D player. Feet set 3’s are automatic so often, he’s a great floor speaker for the J’s.