Game#35 Clippers @ Pistons 4:00pm

[MartinToVaught]

Lue put in Kennard, Coffey, Moses, Batum and Mann. He was playing 4d chess the whole game and wanted to be dramatic to keep the fans entertained. Had me fooled until the end.

So it took a 14-point deficit with 3 minutes left for common sense to finally enter the picture? Hopefully Lue learns from this great win and stops playing favorites with the veterans.

Actually I'll call a spade a spade and in this case it had nothing to do with Lue's "smart" coaching.
Lue had actually thrown in the towel. Had it not been for the Pistons playing like Pistons and our reserve pouncing one that opportunity, this was a lost cause for Lue.
He didn't put that lineup to go and win that game. He put that lineup in so that he could get the starters some rest for tomorrow.
Well, the reserves actually won the game and made Lue look like a genius.

Putting in the actually productive players who want to be there only looks like "throwing in the towel" in comparison to Lue's typical coaching style of playing favorites with the veterans. With a good coach, that would just be the norm.

[PeteyPablo]

I am not an NBA coach but perhaps Ty Lue does not want to lose the locker room and therefore plays these veterans even when their energy levels are lacking , they are throwing lazy ass - dumb ass passes which lead to turnovers and kill momentum and overall , they are getting torched by the 15th place Detroit Pistons.

Maybe once you have millions of dollars starting to stack up in your bank account , human nature kicks in and the drive to be the best and the competitive drive , the hunger and pride of representing the city of Los Angeles is no longer there.

Thankfully hungry players who have yet to have guaranteed multi million dollar contracts like moses brown , amir coffey ( yes he has a small contract ) Terrance Mann and stand out veterans Batum and Kennard are still locked in during the last minutes of the game which was lost up to that point.

[NickP]

So it took a 14-point deficit with 3 minutes left for common sense to finally enter the picture? Hopefully Lue learns from this great win and stops playing favorites with the veterans.

Actually I'll call a spade a spade and in this case it had nothing to do with Lue's "smart" coaching.
Lue had actually thrown in the towel. Had it not been for the Pistons playing like Pistons and our reserve pouncing one that opportunity, this was a lost cause for Lue.
He didn't put that lineup to go and win that game. He put that lineup in so that he could get the starters some rest for tomorrow.
Well, the reserves actually won the game and made Lue look like a genius.

Yup, "insurmountable" leads are blown all the time in professional sports. Hell, we blew a 15-point lead tonight ourselves. Hungry as hell to prove themselves, the young Pistons came back. And hungry as hell to regain their rotation minutes, our C-team snuck back up on them to send it to OT.

But to be fair, it was Lue's OT team that won the game. Smoked 'em--led by scapegoat-to-that-point Paul George.

Oh no, don't put PG back in!!

Only an idiot would have started OT with Coffey and Moses Brown and not PG. Fortunately, our coach is not an idiot.

I agree with everything you say except one.
How dare you call it our "C Team"? It was the B Team.

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[nickhx2]

I am not an NBA coach but perhaps Ty Lue does not want to lose the locker room and therefore plays these veterans even when their energy levels are lacking , they are throwing lazy ass - dumb ass passes which lead to turnovers and kill momentum and overall , they are getting torched by the 15th place Detroit Pistons.

Maybe once you have millions of dollars starting to stack up in your bank account , human nature kicks in and the drive to be the best and the competitive drive , the hunger and pride of representing the city of Los Angeles is no longer there.

Thankfully hungry players who have yet to have guaranteed multi million dollar contracts like moses brown , amir coffey ( yes he has a small contract ) Terrance Mann and stand out veterans Batum and Kennard are still locked in during the last minutes of the game which was lost up to that point.

i definitely believe that a large component of lue's current rotations are the idea of respect and enabling some of his vets. early on it looked like wall was the answer, but if you just make him a starter over reggie (in the time frame where reggie's low confidence and trying to get his game up to speed) that might crush him for the rest of the season. and having say, morris or reggie check out might have a cascading effect that he doesn't want to deal with. can't say for sure, but maybe.

what i do believe though is that this team is gonna have this exact kind of night over and over and over until the proper pieces are either moved or change their games, and it's very hard to expect the latter. more mann, luke, batum, and even covington will only benefit the team. but i don't see how that's gonna happen with morris, wall, and even reggie to some extent taking too many minutes. unfortunately while i believe it to be a problem, i don't quite know what the solution (trade) is. even more unfortunate is that something like this possibly coulda been solved if we had just made the obvious choice of drafting ayo.

it really is unfortunate that this team didn't go back to developing mann as a point guard, because that would have solved a million issues all at once.

[Max Headrom]

I am not an NBA coach but perhaps Ty Lue does not want to lose the locker room and therefore plays these veterans even when their energy levels are lacking , they are throwing lazy ass - dumb ass passes which lead to turnovers and kill momentum and overall , they are getting torched by the 15th place Detroit Pistons.

Maybe once you have millions of dollars starting to stack up in your bank account , human nature kicks in and the drive to be the best and the competitive drive , the hunger and pride of representing the city of Los Angeles is no longer there.

Thankfully hungry players who have yet to have guaranteed multi million dollar contracts like moses brown , amir coffey ( yes he has a small contract ) Terrance Mann and stand out veterans Batum and Kennard are still locked in during the last minutes of the game which was lost up to that point.

i definitely believe that a large component of lue's current rotations are the idea of respect and enabling some of his vets. early on it looked like wall was the answer, but if you just make him a starter over reggie (in the time frame where reggie's low confidence and trying to get his game up to speed) that might crush him for the rest of the season. and having say, morris or reggie check out might have a cascading effect that he doesn't want to deal with. can't say for sure, but maybe.

what i do believe though is that this team is gonna have this exact kind of night over and over and over until the proper pieces are either moved or change their games, and it's very hard to expect the latter. more mann, luke, batum, and even covington will only benefit the team. but i don't see how that's gonna happen with morris, wall, and even reggie to some extent taking too many minutes. unfortunately while i believe it to be a problem, i don't quite know what the solution (trade) is. even more unfortunate is that something like this possibly coulda been solved if we had just made the obvious choice of drafting ayo.

it really is unfortunate that this team didn't go back to developing mann as a point guard, because that would have solved a million issues all at once.

You don't make Mann the PG because what he does best is similar to the cartoon Tasmanian devil. He's a disruptor and an energy player that plays all over the floor. You make him the PG he's not crashing the offensive glass the same way he does that gets the team valuable extra possessions.


Anytime he's been tasked with playing the point, he's out there thinking too much and you can see it. He plays better when he's free and basically position-less. PG Mann isn't taking that shot to send the game into overtime but the free roaming Mann is.

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it really is unfortunate that this team didn't go back to developing mann as a point guard, because that would have solved a million issues all at once.

Of course the question is why they gave up on it. Doc pushed it, Ty pulled the plug on it.


https://www.ocregister.com/2022/02/13/clippers-terance-mann-makes-a-good-point/

[nickhx2]

well i don't necessarily agree that making him a point guard prevents him from fulfilling those duties. you can be a semi-distributor/do it all kinda guy on offense still, similar to how tyreke evans did for the kings (though that player certainly had the higher pedigree and success).

fwiw i don't think he would even be playing a pure point, and at the same time i agree you don't want him overthinking things. but i think using him as the initiator in your sets makes a lot of sense because he can break some defenses down just with his sheer relentlessness, and he's not going to do half the dumb things that paul george or john wall attempt pretty much every single game.

i'll also add that in the games where he looked completely lost and without identity, it wasn't because he was asked to play the point. he had just come off a once in a lifetime game where he single handedly dumpstered a heavily favored utah jazz, was given higher expectations of being a shooter and scorer the next season, and at the same time his minutes and role were constantly be yanked around.

it was because he was asked to play a wing and he couldn't figure out if he was supposed to be a shooter, a scorer, a wing defender, a rebounder etc etc, all while having to balance a million other wings on the roster. thankfully those days are gone but at the least yeah i do agree he's better off in a more chaos-driven role than being pigeon-holed. i just think he can grow do both that and be more point-forwardy at the same time!

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[esqtvd]

lol #WhinyBitchNation

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[Clemenza]

lol #WhinyBitchNation

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Yadda yadda yadda.. All these fans b*tch and complain on Twitter after bad losses but after wins they switch up and point the finger and tell other fans of their team to grow up and except things as they are. This other side of fandom is just as bad as the people they claim are ruining it. Reddit is the same exact way

[Clemenza]

I am not an NBA coach but perhaps Ty Lue does not want to lose the locker room and therefore plays these veterans even when their energy levels are lacking , they are throwing lazy ass - dumb ass passes which lead to turnovers and kill momentum and overall , they are getting torched by the 15th place Detroit Pistons.

Maybe once you have millions of dollars starting to stack up in your bank account , human nature kicks in and the drive to be the best and the competitive drive , the hunger and pride of representing the city of Los Angeles is no longer there.

Thankfully hungry players who have yet to have guaranteed multi million dollar contracts like moses brown , amir coffey ( yes he has a small contract ) Terrance Mann and stand out veterans Batum and Kennard are still locked in during the last minutes of the game which was lost up to that point.

That's all that this is about. The thing is, with this amount of depth and outside of PG & Kawhi, we thought this season we were going to simply ride the hot hand for win after win. Of course locker room politics will always be at play but some of us had no clue that it would come into play this heavy like it has for this particular season. But I trust Ty Lue so whatever

[esqtvd]

lol #WhinyBitchNation

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Yadda yadda yadda.. All these fans b*tch and complain on Twitter after bad losses but after wins they switch up and point the finger and tell other fans of their team to grow up and except things as they are. This other side of fandom is just as bad as the people they claim are ruining it. Reddit is the same exact way

my hometown of Negadelphia is even worse
they booed Mike Fkn Schmidt


but the problem with #ClipperWhinyAssBitchNation is they're so fickle
always scapegoating always blaming

who do they love?
Eric Piatkowski lol

[wakelaunch1]

PG is a below average defender now. He gets beat constantly on close outs. Not a good one on one defender anymore. This forces the defense to collapse and leaves Celtics wide open.