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GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM)

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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#41 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:35 pm

trast66 wrote:Walker Kessler can play in the NBA for years, guy looks legit right out of the box for 15-20 minutes a night on a contending team that plays drop coverages. I’m stunned by this honesty, did not think his game would translate to NBA.


Kessler is probably going to make at least one all star game before his career ends.

He’s really good.
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#42 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:54 pm

mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.

I've brought this up before, but I really can't follow Ted's logic on profitability.

I get that the big money is made on home playoff games. Let's say he needs 2 home playoff games to break even. With our current "10th seed or bust" strategy, we will sometimes make the 9th or 10th seed where we are likely to play 1 home play-in game and have maybe a 1 in 4 chance of adding 3 more home playoff games. So in 4 years, we maybe make 3 play-ins and 1 first round, for a total of 4 or 5 home games. (We won't always have a play-in game at home, and it's no guarantee that we make it 6 games deep in the first round series.)

Wouldn't it be better to take 3 years to tank and build a real team? We tank for 2 years and make no playoff games. In year 3, maybe we make the play-in. In year 4, we make the first round. In years 5 through 8, we are a 2nd round team. So over 4 years, we end up with 3 or so home playoff games, but then put ourselves on footing to play 6-9 home playoff games a year in the ensuing 4 years.

The bottom line is that if the goal is to play the most home playoff games, over the long haul, it's better to tank and build a good team than it is to strive for mediocrity each year. This isn't complicated.
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#43 » by closg00 » Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:00 pm

mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.


I have a far simpler answer, Ted is a really really dumb guy, I do not say that as an insult, it's just his comments over the years including the recent reporting that the Wizards want to continue "The middle build strategy" around Brad, The middle build strategy" is all Ted has ever done, he did the same for 13 years under Ernie. Dumb man
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#44 » by mhd » Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:46 pm

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mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.

I've brought this up before, but I really can't follow Ted's logic on profitability.

I get that the big money is made on home playoff games. Let's say he needs 2 home playoff games to break even. With our current "10th seed or bust" strategy, we will sometimes make the 9th or 10th seed where we are likely to play 1 home play-in game and have maybe a 1 in 4 chance of adding 3 more home playoff games. So in 4 years, we maybe make 3 play-ins and 1 first round, for a total of 4 or 5 home games. (We won't always have a play-in game at home, and it's no guarantee that we make it 6 games deep in the first round series.)

Wouldn't it be better to take 3 years to tank and build a real team? We tank for 2 years and make no playoff games. In year 3, maybe we make the play-in. In year 4, we make the first round. In years 5 through 8, we are a 2nd round team. So over 4 years, we end up with 3 or so home playoff games, but then put ourselves on footing to play 6-9 home playoff games a year in the ensuing 4 years.

The bottom line is that if the goal is to play the most home playoff games, over the long haul, it's better to tank and build a good team than it is to strive for mediocrity each year. This isn't complicated.


I just think he prefers to go for the play-in since it is far easier than tanking (most teams are either tanking or trying to win it all, so he has less competition for the 9th-10 spots). Turd can go for his middle strategy and win games late in the year while never paying the luxury tax. Oh, and attendance is amongst the worst in the NBA. We are an irrelevant franchise.

Our broadcast is the worst in the NBA with those super-imposed court ads that really distract the viewing experience. He probably went super cheap on Chris Miller to replace Kutcher (who like him or not, is a professional broadcaster who has done NFL games. Chris Miller is never doing an NFL game). Remember that Turd routinely sold 2nd round picks for straight cash (including Jordan Clarkson).

We are just a loser organization from top to bottom. Turd won't even show his face anymore at the home games now.
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#45 » by mhd » Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:48 pm

AFM wrote:Is there any way to trade him for a top 45 protected pick?



If another team had Johnny Davis, I would not want us to trade for him at all. Dude straight up sucks. At least Jerome Robinson (bust of a 1th pick) had a nice shooting stroke and played with confidence. At least guys like Killian Hayes (who has been playing better recently) have the physical tools and pass the eye test. Davis looks like straight garbage on the court. Addidas wasted their money signing him to an endorsement contract. Maybe he's paying them LOL
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#46 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:55 pm

mhd wrote:
nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.

I've brought this up before, but I really can't follow Ted's logic on profitability.

I get that the big money is made on home playoff games. Let's say he needs 2 home playoff games to break even. With our current "10th seed or bust" strategy, we will sometimes make the 9th or 10th seed where we are likely to play 1 home play-in game and have maybe a 1 in 4 chance of adding 3 more home playoff games. So in 4 years, we maybe make 3 play-ins and 1 first round, for a total of 4 or 5 home games. (We won't always have a play-in game at home, and it's no guarantee that we make it 6 games deep in the first round series.)

Wouldn't it be better to take 3 years to tank and build a real team? We tank for 2 years and make no playoff games. In year 3, maybe we make the play-in. In year 4, we make the first round. In years 5 through 8, we are a 2nd round team. So over 4 years, we end up with 3 or so home playoff games, but then put ourselves on footing to play 6-9 home playoff games a year in the ensuing 4 years.

The bottom line is that if the goal is to play the most home playoff games, over the long haul, it's better to tank and build a good team than it is to strive for mediocrity each year. This isn't complicated.


I just think he prefers to go for the play-in since it is far easier than tanking (most teams are either tanking or trying to win it all, so he has less competition for the 9th-10 spots). Turd can go for his middle strategy and win games late in the year while never paying the luxury tax. Oh, and attendance is amongst the worst in the NBA. We are an irrelevant franchise.

Our broadcast is the worst in the NBA with those super-imposed court ads that really distract the viewing experience. He probably went super cheap on Chris Miller to replace Kutcher (who like him or not, is a professional broadcaster who has done NFL games. Chris Miller is never doing an NFL game). Remember that Turd routinely sold 2nd round picks for straight cash (including Jordan Clarkson).

We are just a loser organization from top to bottom. Turd won't even show his face anymore at the home games now.

It still doesn't make sense.

Clearly, if your goal is to make money, you want people in the seats. The Wizards are 27th in attendance despite residing in the 6th largest metropolitan area (and 4th largest metropolitan area with only 1 basketball franchise). They are not putting people in seats. By the metric that matters most for profitability, Ted is a total failure. Why won't he change strategy?

The reason attendance is so low is because everyone knows the Wizards are irrelevant. Even if they are moderately successful in the regular season, everyone knows with 100% certainty that they have absolutely no hope of winning a title, or even advancing to a Conference Finals. And when they aren't successful in the regular season, everyone knows that there is no hope of future success. Fans need hope as much as they need wins.
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#47 » by nate33 » Fri Dec 23, 2022 3:56 pm

closg00 wrote:
mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.


I have a far simpler answer, Ted is a really really dumb guy, I do not say that as an insult, it's just his comments over the years including the recent reporting that the Wizards want to continue "The middle build strategy" around Brad, The middle build strategy" is all Ted has ever done, he did the same for 13 years under Ernie. Dumb man

This makes more sense than any other explanation.
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Post#48 » by Frichuela » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:14 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.


I have a far simpler answer, Ted is a really really dumb guy, I do not say that as an insult, it's just his comments over the years including the recent reporting that the Wizards want to continue "The middle build strategy" around Brad, The middle build strategy" is all Ted has ever done, he did the same for 13 years under Ernie. Dumb man

This makes more sense than any other explanation.


Agreed. Describes Turd in a nutshell…
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#49 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:17 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:
mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.


I have a far simpler answer, Ted is a really really dumb guy, I do not say that as an insult, it's just his comments over the years including the recent reporting that the Wizards want to continue "The middle build strategy" around Brad, The middle build strategy" is all Ted has ever done, he did the same for 13 years under Ernie. Dumb man

This makes more sense than any other explanation.


This is where my head has been for a while. And why I’m praying he doesn’t buy the Nats - the only consistently well run franchise in town.

People who don’t watch with any discernment point to the Caps and the ‘Stix winning ‘chips as the counter factual. I say baloney. The Caps backed into the future all time top scorer in NHL history and the Mystics only got relevant when the best player in the league at the time demanded a trade TO Washington to be closer to her family and Fiancé.

I love Ovi and Delle Donne, two of my favorite athletes. But Turd has underperformed with them, ‘Chips notwithstanding. He gave up a bit too much to get Delle Donne, considering she would ONLY play for Washington… then, the year after winning a title, traded an entire draft for an aging, ball hog.

The Caps waited a decade to surround Ovi with complementary gritty, crash the net players.

Just listen to Ted talk about Basketball… he is clearly the nerd who never played and truly doesn’t understand it. He uses the right words sometimes, but often in the wrong context. This, despite having a front row seat for two decades. He has NO feel for the game whatsoever, because fundamentally, he doesn’t understand it.
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Post#50 » by payitforward » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:41 pm

Eli Babak wrote:...so silly to give minutes to 37y old Taj Gibson when you have a decent 21y old center prospect in Carey Jr. ...

Thanks for making this specific point! I hadn't thought of it this way, but you are so completely right...!
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#51 » by payitforward » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:56 pm

nate33 wrote:
mhd wrote:It is a delusional organization. I truly think Turd only cares about money. Kevin Sheehan (local radio host) has stated that the team is only profitable apparently when they get a play-in/home playoff game. I hate Turd with a passion. Worst owner in the NBA.

I've brought this up before, but I really can't follow Ted's logic on profitability.

I get that the big money is made on home playoff games. Let's say he needs 2 home playoff games to break even. With our current "10th seed or bust" strategy, we will sometimes make the 9th or 10th seed where we are likely to play 1 home play-in game and have maybe a 1 in 4 chance of adding 3 more home playoff games. So in 4 years, we maybe make 3 play-ins and 1 first round, for a total of 4 or 5 home games. (We won't always have a play-in game at home, and it's no guarantee that we make it 6 games deep in the first round series.)

Wouldn't it be better to take 3 years to tank and build a real team? We tank for 2 years and make no playoff games. In year 3, maybe we make the play-in. In year 4, we make the first round. In years 5 through 8, we are a 2nd round team. So over 4 years, we end up with 3 or so home playoff games, but then put ourselves on footing to play 6-9 home playoff games a year in the ensuing 4 years.

The bottom line is that if the goal is to play the most home playoff games, over the long haul, it's better to tank and build a good team than it is to strive for mediocrity each year. This isn't complicated.

More than likely means that the premise is wrong: i.e. that it takes a couple of home playoff games to "make a profit."

In any case, there is no specific thing called "a profit on the Wizards." Surely no one thinks, for example, that they are separating out the income streams from hot dogs & beer according to who's playing that evening, the Wiz or the Caps. No.

The biggest money-makers are the media income stream & the continual rise in value of the team itself. Dan Snyder bought the Redskins for $750m. Word is he's fielding offers for over $7B.

In The Wealth of Nations -- the bible of capitalism -- Adam Smith wrote that the owners of companies who are in competition with one another should never be allowed to talk to one another, because if they do they'll collude! :) The NBA is a perfect example of how very right he was....
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Re: GT #33: Wizards @ Jazz 9 PM (NBA TV/NBCSW/980 AM) 

Post#52 » by AFM » Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:37 pm

Still, forget about money for a second, im sure Ted doesn’t want his team to be the laughing stock of the league for decades upon decades (that’s what we are by the way). No one wants to be a Loser (which is what we are by the way).
I agree with closg that he’s probably just dumb. Or as puf said, he was born in second in a tree and thinks he can fly into a home run. Or whatever.
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Post#53 » by montestewart » Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:26 pm

AFM wrote:Still, forget about money for a second, im sure Ted doesn’t want his team to be the laughing stock of the league for decades upon decades (that’s what we are by the way). No one wants to be a Loser (which is what we are by the way).
I agree with closg that he’s probably just dumb. Or as puf said, he was born in second in a tree and thinks he can fly into a home run. Or whatever.

He sees something we don't see, something that isn't there, while haters see nothing. He sees his own genius and resents the blind ignorance of haters. He's like one of those doomsday predictors that, rather than accepting the inaccuracy of his predictors, continually modifies the parameters of his certainty, disregards his own 12 Step Program (or whatever it's called), does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and insists that the system is working and falling short is attributable not even to bad luck, but to things that could not be foreseen (by anyone in his deluded bubble. He's not as bad as Dan "Rape Culture" Snyder, and he probably loves that Snyder is in this town to make him look better, because not much else does, at least regarding the Wizards.

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