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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1961 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:48 am

76ciology wrote:Tobias for Mitchell and Grimes for me. I dont like Randle or Barrett.

Other guys are Quickely and Toppin. I think both guys are underrated


I get Randle, but Barrett would have to come back in a trade for Tobias. Barrett is a hell of a young talent. I don't know why people are so down on him. He's a mainstay at small forward and will get better. Now is the exact time you trade for a player like Barrett.
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Post#1962 » by Embiid P » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:57 am

Yeah, I honestly don't see the Knicks trading for Tobias unless Randle is being moved both for salary and fit purposes.

It wouldn't make sense for them to commit nearly $65 million to PFs next season. Though it's the Knicks so anything is possible I suppose.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1963 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:03 am

tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.
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Post#1964 » by Embiid P » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:38 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.


I'd be tempted, but would probably ultimately pass. Both FVV and Maxey are liabilities on the defensive end. Where as Maxey is more athletic and the better scorer, FVV is the better pure shooter. Plus Maxey is a lot younger on a team that needs youth.

I'd love to have OG as he would fill a glaring weakness on the Sixers but trading Harris would leave a big hole at the PF spot and make our already poor rebounding even worse.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1965 » by 76ciology » Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:54 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
76ciology wrote:Tobias for Mitchell and Grimes for me. I dont like Randle or Barrett.

Other guys are Quickely and Toppin. I think both guys are underrated


I get Randle, but Barrett would have to come back in a trade for Tobias. Barrett is a hell of a young talent. I don't know why people are so down on him. He's a mainstay at small forward and will get better. Now is the exact time you trade for a player like Barrett.


Inefficient scorer. Career 51.5 TS% 42FG% as a scorer.
Bad defender. Can’t make his teammates better on both ends.

Im willing to bet my life that Morey will not get this guy
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1966 » by 76ciology » Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:57 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.


Done deal.

But Raps wont do it
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1967 » by Lockdown504090 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:15 pm

76ciology wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.


Done deal.

But Raps wont do it

youd be surprised. Massai's history shows he wants players, not draft picks. when massai did melo, he got players. when he did demar, it was for a player, hes not finna stock up on picks. He wants a guy that has star potential and the attitude the raptors want. both those guys have that. maxey isnt a pure point, he wants barnes to be a point forward.

OG barely attended off season training with the team, trent not happy about coming off the bench in a contract year, fvv role making him look bad when hes trying to sign the last big deal of his career. It doesnt look like it, but all these guys on the raptors are probably for sale come this deadline.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1968 » by Murray_17 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 3:30 pm

76ciology wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.


Done deal.

But Raps wont do it



If Masai wants picks why would you do this?

FVV looks done after his injuries.

If your idea is Maxey for OG basically, then bleh. Yes, OG is a perfect prospect right now and we need rebounding, still Maxey value is already similar and he has more upside.

You cap the team's future because we would be left without picks nor prospects after Embiid begins to decline.

That's just a bad trade
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1969 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:19 pm

76ciology wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.


Done deal.

But Raps wont do it


After watching FVV basically disappear from the playoff series last year, I'm not terribly high on him.

OG would have to be much better than Tobias for me to consider this deal since Maxey is still very early in his career.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1970 » by elchengue20 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:40 pm

OG its exactly the kind of player we are lacking. Like a PJ Tucker on steroids.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1971 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:23 pm

Once again, I don't think we trade Tobias, but even if we were, it'd probably have to be a condensing move. I feel like once Maxey is back, we're already struggling to find enough minutes to maximize talent for Milton, Melton, Thybulle, Reed, House, Niang. Lots of depth, but someone like Milton (who has been playing out of his mind since Maxey went down) is going to regress mightily if he becomes an 8 minute a game player.

Which is why we'd have to target a stud for Tobias + assets and there doesn't really seem like one that's readily available. I get the OG angle, but he's just not to that level. It'd have to be more like a Siakam. And at that point, are the gains even really worth it? Tobias knows the system, everyone likes him, he's producing at a high level. I just don't see the need at this point.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1972 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:17 pm

You have to ask yourself if OG is better than Harris. Maxey doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, yeah he can get hot but he is a traffic cone on defense, let Masai and the raps figure out how to make him a better defender than Trae Young.
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Post#1973 » by Embiid P » Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:35 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:You have to ask yourself if OG is better than Harris. Maxey doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things, yeah he can get hot but he is a traffic cone on defense, let Masai and the raps figure out how to make him a better defender than Trae Young.


FVV isn't exactly a shut down defender either as shown when Maxey feasted on him in the playoffs. Maxey is also nearly 7 years younger and still has a chance to improve on that end of the floor where as FVV pretty much is what he is at this point.

Again, I'd love to have OG on this team, but if I'm trading Harris, I'd want another PF (preferably a bigger one that is a good rebounder) in return.

Replace FVV with Achiuwa and I'd probably do it.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1974 » by Negrodamus » Tue Dec 27, 2022 6:56 pm

Maxey's ability on offense is pretty elite, so dismissing him as a throw in doesn't really make sense to me.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1975 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Dec 27, 2022 8:49 pm

Yeah but if what he scores he gives on the other end it doesn't matter.
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Post#1976 » by DCasey91 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:00 pm

Who cares about a PF coming back, OG for Maxey or Harris and Co? You’d be silly not to do it imo.

We’ve wanted a wing basically all this time don’t get pussyfoot over it just do it. He’s overrated by Raptors fans but **** me we’d have the best defence in the NBA with Melton/OG racking up steals. He’s currently number 1 in the NBA

Harden
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Then trade Tucker for Hart because it’s Hart lol. Suddenly our wing depth becomes legit. Everyone in the 5 can handle the rock but doesn’t have to. Super switchable from 1-4, any of them can score but don’t need too, don’t need the ball to mess with other teams, shooting? who cares whose gonna score on us? Harden defends big boys on the block to give Hart/Embiid/OG a chop out. Insane versatility

The Niang truck for the flamethrower 3’s, trade Thybulle for DDV and we are cooking proper.

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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1977 » by Mik317 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:11 pm

not trading Maxey with Harden is looking at other teams already. Hell even if he wasn't.

This season may be IT for this core. Having Maxey as a building block already puts us ahead of most rebuilds.

I know recency bias is real and all but Maxey has proven to be capable without Biid and also in the playoffs...and has constantly gotten better. You don't throw that in a trade to salvage this current roster. "Oh bu-but the defense will be bad tho" yeah and? Its bad because Harden is bad on that end and PJ is washed. You don't make moves because of 33 and 38 year olds IMO. Also Biid was still out of shape and sad then.

I wish this team and its fanbase would stop trying to look for quick fixes for once and just let things play out. Outisde of turning Kork and Tiise into a usable wing and maybe yet again upgrading the back up 5 spot...I don't think its worth it making any big moves this year IMO. Tobias has been great and has adjusted his game to exactly what we need. Team is still slow and unathletic but I don't think a Tobias trade fixes that and I don't think trading Maxey to do so is wise either. Let this team fail and then look to pivot. Stop ruining the future to not exactly fix the present.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1978 » by DCasey91 » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:20 pm

Gotta give something to get something.

The future will always be with Embiid that’s the wagon we’ve hitched ourselves on. Core? Please how many times has it been and still it’s no good. Isn’t doing the same thing over and expecting different results a sign of insanity?

Harris is solid doo doo when it matters. Every year it’s the same thing.

Archetype value alone it’s not even close imo. We all love Maxey but he’s an undersized scoring guard without one defensive bone in his body.

OG is a brolic strong quality wing whose entering his prime years basically essential in the NBA. And he’s sub 20 mil a year. That’s value

As windows go it’s fits much better with Embiid not even getting into who they are as players.

We missed out on Bridges you don’t make the same mistake twice over. In any case Raps would probably hang up the phone if Harris is included lmao.

Anyway Hart for Tucker get that done if you can. You want rebounding? Call upon the Rebound God.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1979 » by Embiid P » Tue Dec 27, 2022 10:54 pm

DCasey91 wrote:We all love Maxey but he’s an undersized scoring guard without one defensive bone in his body.

You want rebounding? Call upon the Rebound God.


And FVV who we'd be getting back isn't a total defensive liability either? At least with Maxey he can score all over the floor and get defenders in foul trouble. Thus his best defense is his offense.

Who is this "Rebound God" anyway? Fact is that rebounding is our biggest issue atm and would be even worse if we failed to replace Harris with a bigger better-rebounding PF.
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Re: Tobias Harris Trade Thread 

Post#1980 » by eyeatoma » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:40 pm

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Lockdown504090 wrote:tobias and maxey for FVV and OG. solves your problems come playoff time on both ends.


I'd be tempted, but would probably ultimately pass. Both FVV and Maxey are liabilities on the defensive end. Where as Maxey is more athletic and the better scorer, FVV is the better pure shooter. Plus Maxey is a lot younger on a team that needs youth.

I'd love to have OG as he would fill a glaring weakness on the Sixers but trading Harris would leave a big hole at the PF spot and make our already poor rebounding even worse.
Huh, Maxey has a great 3 point shot and 2 point shot. Why do you think FVV if a better pure shooter?

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