Should the Magic snub the NBA?

[ReadyOrlando]

If the NBA follows the book strictly, we may end up with up to 9 players suspended next game. But I think an exception should be made in this case as Moe was unconscious in the middle of the Pistons' bench. If three NBA suspends the majority of our team, should the Magic "No show" in rebellion? If they do, I know a hefty fine will be issued, but is it worth it?

[Bergmaniac]

I am pretty sure the punishment if we don't show up for a game will be way bigger than just a fine, so not a good idea IMO.

[Knightro]

If the NBA follows the book strictly, we may end up with up to 9 players suspended next game. But I think an exception should be made in this case as Moe was unconscious in the middle of the Pistons' bench. If three NBA suspends the majority of our team, should the Magic "No show" in rebellion? If they do, I know a hefty fine will be issued, but is it worth it?

They won't and they shouldn't.

[p0peye]

I believe "the book" has a clear guidance on mass suspensions, allowing them to be distributed across multiple games so league could hypothetically suspend all of clubs players and still allow that club to have minimum number of players available for all future games.

[Skybox]

I don't think the suspensions for leaving the bench are all that severe anyway without anyone getting too physically aggressive...I was honestly not liking the picture of the whole Pistons roster surrounding Moe. I'm sure they'll go by the book, but I'd suggest minimum guidelines for everyone but Moe and, especially, Hayes (you just don't haul off on someone's head-particularly from a blind cheap shot).

I'm guessing one game apiece, other than the principals who DO deserve more, IMO.

[Orlando Dawg]

What’s taking so long for the NBA to decide

[anothermagicfan]

What the magic should do is kick mo Wagner to the curb. I get he's a feisty fiery player but he's a dirty player and not very smart. Simply touch the ball and accept the turnover in that circumstance. Allow your team to set up on defense and earn the ball back. It was a cheap shot by mo Wagner that caused the entire situation. Definitely followed up by 2 more cheap shots from pistons but mo Wagner started the whole thing. He didn't use his body like he was boxing out he literally shoved an opposing teams player at full steam into the stands. No reason for it. Unacceptable. That behavior shouldn't be allowed to represent the Orlando magic. It should be worn as an honor to wear that jersey and represent the team organization and city. After the NBA suspends him Orlando should set the precedent that dirty malicious play is unacceptable and they should follow it up with a team suspension of there own on mo Wagner.

[ReadyOrlando]

What the magic should do is kick mo Wagner to the curb. I get he's a feisty fiery player but he's a dirty player and not very smart. Simply touch the ball and accept the turnover in that circumstance. Allow your team to set up on defense and earn the ball back. It was a cheap shot by mo Wagner that caused the entire situation. Definitely followed up by 2 more cheap shots from pistons but mo Wagner started the whole thing. He didn't use his body like he was boxing out he literally shoved an opposing teams player at full steam into the stands. No reason for it. Unacceptable. That behavior shouldn't be allowed to represent the Orlando magic. It should be worn as an honor to wear that jersey and represent the team organization and city. After the NBA suspends him Orlando should set the precedent that dirty malicious play is unacceptable and they should follow it up with a team suspension of there own on mo Wagner.

I don't agree with what Mo did, but it was a play out of frustration more so than being dirty. Mo plays with a lot of heart, and sometimes those players do stupid things (which the league will handle), but every winning team has a player with that type of energy on their roster.

[JoshuaPotter]

What’s taking so long for the NBA to decide

The popcorn machine wasn't working in the room where they analyze the tape. Just before they realized it was broken secretly someone was playing a prank and removed the popcorn oil and the amazon prime delivery was delayed which is why initially it wasn't sooner.

My inside sources say they are getting their top men on it though....

[JoshuaPotter]

What the magic should do is kick mo Wagner to the curb. I get he's a feisty fiery player but he's a dirty player and not very smart. Simply touch the ball and accept the turnover in that circumstance. Allow your team to set up on defense and earn the ball back. It was a cheap shot by mo Wagner that caused the entire situation. Definitely followed up by 2 more cheap shots from pistons but mo Wagner started the whole thing. He didn't use his body like he was boxing out he literally shoved an opposing teams player at full steam into the stands. No reason for it. Unacceptable. That behavior shouldn't be allowed to represent the Orlando magic. It should be worn as an honor to wear that jersey and represent the team organization and city. After the NBA suspends him Orlando should set the precedent that dirty malicious play is unacceptable and they should follow it up with a team suspension of there own on mo Wagner.

I don't agree with what Mo did, but it was a play out of frustration more so than being dirty. Mo plays with a lot of heart, and sometimes those players do stupid things (which the league will handle), but every winning team has a player with that type of energy on their roster.

I agree. Should it have been done? No. Do I think there was a bit of an overreaction by all involved, also yes. I do not think kicking a player to a curb for it is necessarily the correct move either.

Whatever happens with the league I am OK with it. It's why we have written policies like this now.

[Skybox]

I like Moe very much and he's been great and does all the little things and he makes some of our other bigs potentially expendable...

but that was a dumbass dirty play. He just should not have done that. That wasn't an "agitator" thing, he was just wrong.

[JoshuaPotter]

I like Moe very much and he's been great and does all the little things and he makes some of our other bigs potentially expendable...

but that was a dumbass dirty play. He just should not have done that. That wasn't an "agitator" thing, he was just wrong.

I would rate is as dumb over dirty. If its dirty, I think its probably one of the nicer dirty plays you can have....

Players push each other harder to box out for a rebound....

[VFX]

I understand the policy.

However, I think there has to be some level of context to the bench clearing and what exactly those players did in that timeframe. Nothing was escalated.

That’s probably what is being discussed right now.

[BCS]

Moe's shove was out of frustration, he instantly regretted it seems. Having said that he received a flagrant 2 foul, rightfully so, but in reality the league should not suspend him more than that, his punishment should be the ejection. He literally did not react after the initial shove to escalate anything. Hayes is another story.

If they suspend Moe, I expect us not to have a C on Fri. If I read the rules correctly, the suspensions go alphabetically, meaning Anthony, Bamba, Carter Jr are at the top of the list.

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[anothermagicfan]

What the magic should do is kick mo Wagner to the curb. I get he's a feisty fiery player but he's a dirty player and not very smart. Simply touch the ball and accept the turnover in that circumstance. Allow your team to set up on defense and earn the ball back. It was a cheap shot by mo Wagner that caused the entire situation. Definitely followed up by 2 more cheap shots from pistons but mo Wagner started the whole thing. He didn't use his body like he was boxing out he literally shoved an opposing teams player at full steam into the stands. No reason for it. Unacceptable. That behavior shouldn't be allowed to represent the Orlando magic. It should be worn as an honor to wear that jersey and represent the team organization and city. After the NBA suspends him Orlando should set the precedent that dirty malicious play is unacceptable and they should follow it up with a team suspension of there own on mo Wagner.

I don't agree with what Mo did, but it was a play out of frustration more so than being dirty. Mo plays with a lot of heart, and sometimes those players do stupid things (which the league will handle), but every winning team has a player with that type of energy on their roster.

I agree. Should it have been done? No. Do I think there was a bit of an overreaction by all involved, also yes. I do not think kicking a player to a curb for it is necessarily the correct move either.

Whatever happens with the league I am OK with it. It's why we have written policies like this now.

By kicking him to the curb I want you to all understand I don't view mo Wagner as a valuable player. He's serviceable at the end of the bench where he belongs in the league. And this isn't an isolated incident. He's always in some sort of scrum. He's always agitating the opponents and the refs. And it's not like it really helps. A lot of times agitating the opponents doesn't throw them off there game and force them into mistakes. More often it fires them up and gets them going.

[Skybox]

I do hope the league office has the balls to punish Hayes appropriately and Moe as well. Moe shoved him for no good reason, while Hayes was running full speed. It was dirty. If we were watching Grayson Allen do the same thing, we'd all be furious with him. I agree that Moe realized it was more dangerous than intended and was moving towards Hayes in a non-aggressive manner when all hell broke loose. I don't think Moe deserves more than a game suspension. If Hayes was injured, things would naturally escalate in terms of punishment, just for the pressure of bad PR. But he wasn't.

Regardless of who "started it", Hayes can't get off lightly for taking a flying swing at someone's head. WAY out of line.

*Kudos to Mo Bamba, who seemed intent on getting in there to protect the guy who has out-hustled him and taken his minutes. Didn't think he was that kind of teammate. Fultz was first in the scrum too.

[BCS]

I do hope the league office has the balls to punish Hayes appropriately and Moe as well. Moe shoved him for no good reason, while Hayes was running full speed. It was dirty. If we were watching Grayson Allen do the same thing, we'd all be furious with him. I agree that Moe realized it was more dangerous than intended and was moving towards Hayes in a non-aggressive manner when all hell broke loose. I don't think Moe deserves more than a game suspension. If Hayes was injured, things would naturally escalate in terms of punishment, just for the pressure of bad PR. But he wasn't.

Regardless of who "started it", Hayes can't get off lightly for taking a flying swing at someone's head. WAY out of line.

*Kudos to Mo Bamba, who seemed intent on getting in there to protect the guy who has out-hustled him and taken his minutes. Didn't think he was that kind of teammate. Fultz was first in the scrum too.

Yet Bol stayed out of it, just looking....his reaction was like "come on, why, I don't want this physicality on me, too physical for me".

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[fendilim]

The nba will be doing the management a favor by helping the team sit out several players.

[paperboymafia]

Dumb from Big Wag but seen worse happen with lesser punishments.

I just let these things slide, no point in trying to make sense of decisions sometimes.

[pepe1991]

I remember how Suns title dream was ruined during game vs Spurs in 2007. If nba didn't want to make exception for Western Conference Finals, ofc they won't do it for regular season game.

Wagner defended ball like it's soccer , basketball rules are different, whole thing in slow motion looks off, he looked like he was knocked down even before Hayes landed some push-punch that didn't look that hard at all.

Hayes punishment is a joke tho. But remember Stewart was throwing punches vs Lebron last year and they got 1 and 2 games suspensions as well