The remaining 86%

[BIG BEN'S FRO]

In the 86% likely event we don’t land victor, I was interested to hear others thoughts on who we would want with that number 2 pick if we got it.

It sure seems many of the top options are PG/SGs. Withe the emergency of Hayes and Ivey being here, is there a role for a player like this on the team? Would we move on from Hayes?

[buzzkilloton]

2 is a lock to be Scoot. Can either trade 2 or trade Ivey.

Trading Killian is the worst option. Hes the best defender of the guards. Also hes the least valuable on the trade market. Ivey or a draft pick will be pretty valuable in trades. We could get a haul for 2 but then do we want to pass up a talent like Scoot.

Ive seen some say move Cade to the 3 and take Scoot. Personally I think this type of move can hinder development. All of these guys are on ball players. Scoot is a 6’2 lead pg his one negative is defensive versatility. I mention the defense because we really need a shut down defender. Ideally we get a 3nD player in there OG would be the perfect guy.

[bstein14]

Take the best player available. We're the worst team in the league, and we shouldn't be worry about fit. Fit can be a thing if you're drafting 15th and you're already a playoff team and want to make sure you get your guy in the rotation as a backup. Drafting for fit shouldn't be a thing at all when you're picking #2 you should pick the guy you feel like is most likely to be a star in the league.

You either play Cade at SF (most likely) or you bring Ivey off the bench as an energy change of pace 6th man (also fine).

And really its a
14% chance at #1 (VW)
13.4% chance at #2 (Scoot)
12.7% chance at #3
12.0% chance at #4
47.9% chance at #5

Even with the worst record in the league its a coin flip essentially to move into a top 4 pick... You're pretty likely to end up with #5 where there are a bunch of SF type wing players projected in the 3-8 range.

[Kilo]

Trade #2 (and Bey) for the best available under 26yr old wing.
Or trade #2 for #3 and future draft capital and draft Amen Thompson.

[DBC10]

BPA majority of the time
Unless a deal comes our way that blows us away, I think we maintain everyone, draft BPA and see how it goes

[mattao313]

I like gg Jackson I don't think scoot is a lock it's always movement at the top in the draft the only lock is Victor imo

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[bstein14]

I like gg Jackson I don't think scoot is a lock it's always movement at the top in the draft the only lock is Victor imo

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I would not take GG over Scoot, but I do like GG as well. He's super young (just turned 18) and has an NBA body and has been shooting the 3 ball well this year, but inside he's been a bit worse than expected still very raw in that regard for sure. If we fall to #5 I could see GG making sense for us and having him backup Stewart while he learns the NBA in his first season. If he takes a solid jump in year two you could really run a 3 big man rotation of Stew/Duren/GG by the time Bagley's contract expires.

[Manocad]

This team is in no position yet to discard BPA (Scoot at 2) over fit (trade down).

Unless it's something like #2 and Bey for a 3rd-4th year stud NBA SF. That addresses both fit and ensuring a quality player.

[theBigLip]

Trade #2 (and Bey) for the best available under 26yr old wing.
Or trade #2 for #3 and future draft capital and draft Amen Thompson.

He can’t shoot.

[bstein14]

Trade #2 (and Bey) for the best available under 26yr old wing.
Or trade #2 for #3 and future draft capital and draft Amen Thompson.

He can’t shoot.

He doesn't shoot a lot of 3s, but he's got all the other tools. He's someone you'd hope develops it. On the flip side, Cade was a great 3 point shooter in college but hasn't been in the NBA so you never know. I like the highlights I've seen from Amen a bunch you can tell he is an all-star talent when it comes to attacking the basket, and he's a very good passer as well mostly passing to guys bricking 3s.

[coolness]

It's not like it's just about BPA or fit. Fit brings other assets with it. If it's trading Victor to OKC, how many 1st's do we get over how many years? That would be fit + depth + age + cap issues + what if Victor is an injury fella?

[buzzkilloton]

It's not like it's just about BPA or fit. Fit brings other assets with it. If it's trading Victor to OKC, how many 1st's do we get over how many years? That would be fit + depth + age + cap issues + what if Victor is an injury fella?

I dont think we would entertain trading Wemby. Hes considered best prospect since LBJ. Also fits need. Talking one of the best 5 prospects ever.

I could for sure see us trading other spots and moving down. Some similar deals of a team moving from a Scoot type prospect for a lower pick + other stuff-Webber for Penny, Fultz for Tatum, and Luka for Trae. Another big one where a team traded a pick 1 for a vet was Cavs trading Wiggins for Love.

So historically you can find examples of teams forgoing the “always take BAP in draft and never trade for a lesser prospect +more stuff at the top of draft” theory.

[vic]

I like Scoot but I’m not sold on him being a necessity at 2… because of his size, and his weakness being defense. For championship reasons, you always want as many defenders as possible. CP3 - One of the best point guards of all time. No Championships.

I would trade pick 2 for pick 3 and a young wing. Draft Cam Whitmore or GG Jackson and your core is set.

[SuperBad]

Try and trade it for Scottie Barnes, or I would try to trade down for two lottery picks of positional need.
We don’t need four young guards that all need the ball in there hands so much. Like Cam Whitmore, and Keyeanta Goerge.

[ComboGuardCity]

I’m not sold on Scoot at 2. The draft is never a no brainer. if we’re at 2 and weaver sees someone who is better than scoot in his mind, I hope he pulls a trade off similar to how Tatum was acquired by the Celtics.

[zeebneeb]

Try and trade it for Scottie Barnes, or I would try to trade down for two lottery picks of positional need.
We don’t need four young guards that all need the ball in there hands so much. Like Cam Whitmore, and Keyeanta Goerge.

I'm not sure Toronto bites on that, but if you sweeten it, say #2+Bey for Barnes, they might.

The Raptors are in a bad spot atm. They have no shot at winning a title, and Barnes is having a down second year.

I'm open to anything, so sounds good to me.

[Vampirate]

Try and trade it for Scottie Barnes, or I would try to trade down for two lottery picks of positional need.
We don’t need four young guards that all need the ball in there hands so much. Like Cam Whitmore, and Keyeanta Goerge.

I'm not sure Toronto bites on that, but if you sweeten it, say #2+Bey for Barnes, they might.

The Raptors are in a bad spot atm. They have no shot at winning a title, and Barnes is having a down second year.

I'm open to anything, so sounds good to me.

I don't think either Detroit or Toronto would ever come to an agreement in a trade here.

If it was going to happen, than it's probably OG + future 1st for #2 pick + salary filler from Detroit. I really don't see Barnes being available unless it's for the #1 pick and if you land it, you wouldn't trade that so it's a moot point.

[Snakebites]

Try and trade it for Scottie Barnes, or I would try to trade down for two lottery picks of positional need.
We don’t need four young guards that all need the ball in there hands so much. Like Cam Whitmore, and Keyeanta Goerge.

I'm not sure Toronto bites on that, but if you sweeten it, say #2+Bey for Barnes, they might.

The Raptors are in a bad spot atm. They have no shot at winning a title, and Barnes is having a down second year.

I'm open to anything, so sounds good to me.

I don't think either Detroit or Toronto would ever come to an agreement in a trade here.

If it was going to happen, than it's probably OG + future 1st for #2 pick + salary filler from Detroit. I really don't see Barnes being available unless it's for the #1 pick and if you land it, you wouldn't trade that so it's a moot point.

I get the reluctance to trade Barnes, but it's categorically the only reason the Pistons would even consider parting with the number 2 pick in a deal with the Raptors.

I'd imagine with your proposal they hang up the phone at lightspeed.

[Vampirate]

I'm not sure Toronto bites on that, but if you sweeten it, say #2+Bey for Barnes, they might.

The Raptors are in a bad spot atm. They have no shot at winning a title, and Barnes is having a down second year.

I'm open to anything, so sounds good to me.

I don't think either Detroit or Toronto would ever come to an agreement in a trade here.

If it was going to happen, than it's probably OG + future 1st for #2 pick + salary filler from Detroit. I really don't see Barnes being available unless it's for the #1 pick and if you land it, you wouldn't trade that so it's a moot point.

I get the reluctance to trade Barnes, but it's categorically the only reason the Pistons would even consider parting with the number 2 pick in a deal with the Raptors.

I'd imagine with your proposal they hang up the phone at lightspeed.

Hence the "I don't think either Detroit or Toronto would ever come to an agreement in a trade here."

Regardless of how opposing fans may view him, I just think the Raptors FO thinks of Barnes future extremely highly. I mean, they had a chance to get KD by trading Barnes + picks and passed.

Simply put, you just don't trade a top 5 pick who your franchise is very high on in their 2nd year, unless a team is giving you a stupidly good deal like Luka or something. You just don't.

It's the equivalent of you suggesting to trade for Jalen Green, Houston is not going to trade him. Just like Detroit is not going to trade Cade. It just won't happen, not in the 2nd year, especially.

[Snakebites]

I don't think either Detroit or Toronto would ever come to an agreement in a trade here.

If it was going to happen, than it's probably OG + future 1st for #2 pick + salary filler from Detroit. I really don't see Barnes being available unless it's for the #1 pick and if you land it, you wouldn't trade that so it's a moot point.

I get the reluctance to trade Barnes, but it's categorically the only reason the Pistons would even consider parting with the number 2 pick in a deal with the Raptors.

I'd imagine with your proposal they hang up the phone at lightspeed.

Hence the "I don't think either Detroit or Toronto would ever come to an agreement in a trade here."

Regardless of how opposing fans may view him, I just think the Raptors FO thinks of Barnes future extremely highly. I mean, they had a chance to get KD by trading Barnes + picks and passed.

Simply put, you just don't trade a top 5 pick who your franchise is very high on in their 2nd year, unless a team is giving you a stupidly good deal like Luka or something. You just don't.

It's the equivalent of you suggesting to trade for Jalen Green, Houston is not going to trade him. Just like Detroit is not going to trade Cade. It just won't happen, not in the 2nd year, especially.

Yeah, I was just pointing out how far off your "second best" offer is. I get not willing to trade Scottie Barnes, but he's your best trade asset by a very heavy margin and nothing else you have even comes close.

OG is a nice player but not really going to turn this franchise around, and to boot he can opt out of his deal after next season which puts a limit on his value to a team like the Pistons. You're better off getting value trading him to a better team, and I'd imagine those are the types of teams hoping to acquire him.