NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

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Who is your current NBA MVP? (listed alphabetically)

Giannis Antetokounmpo
51
13%
Luka Doncic
70
18%
Kevin Durant
19
5%
Joel Embiid
25
6%
Nikola Jokic
167
42%
Donovan Mitchell
2
1%
Ja Morant
2
1%
Jayson Tatum
48
12%
Zion Williamson
5
1%
Other (Booker, Curry, Davis, SGA, etc.)
8
2%
 
Total votes: 397

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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#541 » by NO-KG-AI » Sun Jan 1, 2023 12:39 am

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Hey, yesterday even the Pel's crew (the best by far in the league IMO) recognized during the game in 2 specific fouls that there was little contact or not at all. Take what happened with the elbow to Gobert's face two days ago.

Saying 'insanely laughable' is quite lame to be honest. And who are 'you guys'? I root for Zion, so drop that automatic reactions and try to listen a little bit more.


Pointing out two fouls on a guy that is involved in contact 20+ drives IS laughable.

There’s no way that you can make a case that Zion is getting the most undeserved calls compared to his fellow stars that are absorbing a lot less contact and shooting a lot more foul shots, but anecdotal evidence might be the worst.

But since the Pels commentary team is the holy grail of analysis, they’ve been complaining all year that he doesn’t get nearly enough compared to other stars that get hit a lot less.

I really don’t complain about foul shots because I think Zion and his opponents get away with a lot of contact against each other and it’s kind of how it should be called.

But compared to other MVP guys listed? Totally laughable. Dudes are flopping, flailing and falling their way to more free throws than the dude setting a new standard for amount of times attacking the rim in the half court :lol:


You can list whatever hyperbole (holy grail of what? Seriously? I had made a case of what?), you should think you are the holy grail of a lot things.

Waste of time. The moment you are into discussing how some really bad calls can impact perception about Zion is progressing, let me know. Happy new year!


Once you're down to discuss that everyone gets bad calls more often than the guy who gets hit the most, holler.

Your perception is that he gets more special treatment as the NBA golden boy, and he's indisputably the most contacted player playing right now, so he should be leading in free throws by a wide wide margin. We can talk more once he is.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#542 » by HotRocks34 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 2:53 am

NBA.com MVP ladder from yesterday. This is after Luka's 60 point game.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-30-2022-edition

1. Jokic..................was 2
2. Tatum.................was 3
3. Luka...................was T7
4. Durant................was 4
5. Giannis...............was 1
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#543 » by CobraCommander » Sun Jan 1, 2023 2:54 am

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how are current rules impacting Giannis rebounds?
scoring, sure but he would score plenty in any era \ rules

his usage is first in the league, WB broke the all time usage record in 16-17 with about 41% iirce
Giannis is 37-38% (just like last season)

sure, we'[ve had a few more like Harden, Luka etc but it's a relatively new phenomenon
past players with past rules didn't reach such heights (rarely)

Young Jordan for a full season, hit 38% only once in 86-87 and played 40 mpg as well
most of his career including his prime he was at around 32-33%

Giannis is using up more possesions than prime Jordan, hard to wrap ur head around ain't it? :o

taking so many shots and getting so many touches (more than past scorers who were better scorers and playmakers than Giannis) - results in a lot of points. does the current rules and the way the'yre enforced inflate that? sure, by not by that much

And it's not that hard to grab 20 boards when ur uber athletic, strong and with Giannis's size
especially when u play alongside the best box-out artist of his generation haha, who just loves to box out so his teammates can grab the board

it'll happen from time to time, back to back is an outlier but if u play ur odds long enough...


It’s hard to wrap my head around Giannis getting more possessions than MJ...

But my secondary thought based on what you said is this,

if we gonna now start respecting this historically high numbers then we need to say...it is possible to do this...and put more considerations into the the guy who these guys are challenging as the actual goat.

What I am saying is ....every time one of these records get challenged or fall....who’s record do you first think is being broken?

Jordan? Lebron? No....

It’s always Wilt.... Wilt Wilt Wilt....

Maybe the jumpman marketing fooled us

Maybe Wilt is the goat :o


I think he is ... although I always support Jordan claim BUT it is true that NBA as a business changed officiating to help Jordan, while in Wilt era they were doing everything to make him less powerful, and he is still the guys with all the records.

The argument for Wilt being the goat gets stronger as these guys attack the record books and Wilts name is the only one else - Giannis and Wilt...Luka and Wilt...Jokic and Wilt... led the league in scoring led league in rebounds led league in assist - most points in a game 100... most. Rebounds in a game 55... the list is crazy
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#544 » by HoopsterJones » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:00 am

Right now I got:

1a. Luka
1b. Jokic
3. Tatum
4. Durant
5. Zion
6. Giannis

It’s becoming a heck of a race.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#545 » by CobraCommander » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:01 am

HotRocks34 wrote:NBA.com MVP ladder from yesterday. This is after Luka's 60 point game.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-30-2022-edition

1. Jokic..................was 2
2. Tatum.................was 3
3. Luka...................was T7
4. Durant................was 4
5. Giannis...............was 1

After Giannis 40 20 +40 20...he gonna move up
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Post#546 » by eyeatoma » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:15 am

Joel with a triple double and 4 blocks in a win against the Thunder without Harden, Tucker and Maxey.
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Post#547 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:20 am

eyeatoma wrote:Joel with a triple double and 4 blocks in a win against the Thunder without Harden, Tucker and Maxey.


For sure impressive but worth noting that it was against the Thunder’s 4th string center, since Chet is out for the year and the 2nd and third stringers are out hurt right now. But it’s not like any of them would’ve done much better probably.
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#548 » by Profound23 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:21 am

All I know is it's a long season and there are many worthy candidates.


Every week there is a "for sure lock" for MVP until someone else flashes. A month ago it was Giannis, last week it was Tatum, now it's Luka.


Can we just let the season play out?
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Post#549 » by _NoMas » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:23 am

HoopsterJones wrote:Right now I got:

1a. Luka
1b. Jokic
3. Tatum
4. Durant
5. Zion
6. Giannis

It’s becoming a heck of a race.


Not much to argue with this list. I’d swap Zion and Giannis though- it’s those 5 (Luka, Jokic, Giannis KD, Tatum) with a realistic chance of winning, and I think Luka will get close enough in wins to Jokic to win the award
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Post#550 » by Bob8 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:23 am

CobraCommander wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:NBA.com MVP ladder from yesterday. This is after Luka's 60 point game.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-30-2022-edition

1. Jokic..................was 2
2. Tatum.................was 3
3. Luka...................was T7
4. Durant................was 4
5. Giannis...............was 1

After Giannis 40 20 +40 20...he gonna move up


The one going up is Luka. Vegas has him first already.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/mvp/
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Post#551 » by _NoMas » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:23 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Joel with a triple double and 4 blocks in a win against the Thunder without Harden, Tucker and Maxey.


For sure impressive but worth noting that it was against the Thunder’s 4th string center, since Chet is out for the year and the 2nd and third stringers are out hurt right now. But it’s not like any of them would’ve done much better probably.


And shot 6/17…
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#552 » by eyeatoma » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:25 am

_NoMas wrote:
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eyeatoma wrote:Joel with a triple double and 4 blocks in a win against the Thunder without Harden, Tucker and Maxey.


For sure impressive but worth noting that it was against the Thunder’s 4th string center, since Chet is out for the year and the 2nd and third stringers are out hurt right now. But it’s not like any of them would’ve done much better probably.


And shot 6/17…


So?

Still got the win, brought the defense, and did what good players do when their shot is off (passed the ball).

You realize Embiid is having his highest fg% season of his career right?
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#553 » by DrModesty » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:26 am

eyeatoma wrote:Joel with a triple double and 4 blocks in a win against the Thunder without Harden, Tucker and Maxey.


It sounds a lot better than it looked watching the game.
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Post#554 » by eyeatoma » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:28 am

Can't please ya'll on this thread. With Embiid there's always an if. Any other player we do this with?

Let's be consistent...
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Re: NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2) 

Post#555 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:33 am

CobraCommander wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:NBA.com MVP ladder from yesterday. This is after Luka's 60 point game.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-30-2022-edition

1. Jokic..................was 2
2. Tatum.................was 3
3. Luka...................was T7
4. Durant................was 4
5. Giannis...............was 1

After Giannis 40 20 +40 20...he gonna move up

Not saying it's wrong given the competition but Giannis dropped four spots in a week where the first 45/22/5 was already considered. Just crazy
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Post#556 » by Archx » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:36 am

eyeatoma wrote:Can't please ya'll on this thread. With Embiid there's always an if. Any other player we do this with?

Let's be consistent...


How would you rank Embiid? What spot right now?
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Post#557 » by Bob8 » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:39 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:NBA.com MVP ladder from yesterday. This is after Luka's 60 point game.

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-dec-30-2022-edition

1. Jokic..................was 2
2. Tatum.................was 3
3. Luka...................was T7
4. Durant................was 4
5. Giannis...............was 1

After Giannis 40 20 +40 20...he gonna move up

Not saying it's wrong given the competition but Giannis dropped four spots in a week where the first 45/22/5 was already considered. Just crazy


He needed 39 shots for 45 points, Bucks have lost and Giannis had the worst +/-, -10, in the team. Not exactly great game.
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Post#558 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:40 am

Said it before the season, I’ll say it again. Luka.
“This kid reminds me of a 6-6 Chris Paul. He wants to win everything.”

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Post#559 » by eyeatoma » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:41 am

Archx wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Can't please ya'll on this thread. With Embiid there's always an if. Any other player we do this with?

Let's be consistent...


How would you rank Embiid? What spot right now?


Luka
Tatum
Durant
Embiid
Jokic

I don't count Jokic because of a lack of rings. You can roast me all you want, I think it sets a bad precedent, regardless of how gaudy his numbers are. At some point they need to translate to chips.

If Philly hadn't just dropped the last 2 I'd have Embiid over Durant.
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Post#560 » by Archx » Sun Jan 1, 2023 3:50 am

This is just wild. I'm joking but our generation is saying "Since Wilt"... Next will be saying "Since Luka". :lol:

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