2023 Draft Prospect discussion

[Kevin Willis]

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Reminds me of Antoine Walker

I can see that. He is exactly what we need. Looking at this year's attempt at the 6'7"-6'9" experiment I, and others, conclude we need two things:

1. If they're that height they need to be toolsy, good at several things. Able to guard multiple positions. Some of our guys with that height are just not toolsy or talented enough. They might be good at rebounding but that's not enough.
2. Even though some are toolsy, what they're known for shouldn't overlap. A lineup of below is an example
PG - Ball / Giddey (Facilitator)
SG - Brandon Miller (Shooter)
SF - OG (Defensive specialist)
PF - Barnes (Glue guy / heart)
C - Siakam (Scorer)

Then off the bench you get redundant guys in the 6'9" mold or specialists of any height. That's where we need to get to for this experiment to really work. I also think Miller is going to eventually be better than Barnes. He's a better shooter and can defend. I guess Jet, Dick could runner-up to Brandon MIller but he would be nice.

[DrCoach]

Chris Ledlum 22pts 13rebs 3stls 3 Blks

[Psubs]

Chris Ledlum 22pts 13rebs 3stls 3 Blks

He'd be a nice gamble with the 2nd pick. Strength of schedule is bad, he looks like Landry Fields. Seems like a small combo forward that can't shoot from 3 and under 70% FTs, though his form doesn't look bad. Don't see anything that makes him better than say an EJ Liddell.

[DrCoach]

Chris Ledlum 22pts 13rebs 3stls 3 Blks

He'd be a nice gamble with the 2nd pick. Strength of schedule is bad, he looks like Landry Fields. Seems like a small combo forward that can't shoot from 3 and under 70% FTs, though his form doesn't look bad. Don't see anything that makes him better than say an EJ Liddell.

He had over 50 D1 offers, hes very tough like Liddel but he can play and guard he perimter

[TorontoBarneys]

Outside of Wemby, Amen Thompson is my favorite prospect. I think he's going to be a special player.

[Psubs]

Chris Ledlum 22pts 13rebs 3stls 3 Blks

He'd be a nice gamble with the 2nd pick. Strength of schedule is bad, he looks like Landry Fields. Seems like a small combo forward that can't shoot from 3 and under 70% FTs, though his form doesn't look bad. Don't see anything that makes him better than say an EJ Liddell.

He had over 50 D1 offers, hes very tough like Liddel but he can play and guard he perimter

He doesn't look fit enough and I feel that lanky SF's would give him trouble.

If he had so many offers, he went to Harvard for the education? I guess he wasn't confident that he was a 1 and done.

[Bruin]

He'd be a nice gamble with the 2nd pick. Strength of schedule is bad, he looks like Landry Fields. Seems like a small combo forward that can't shoot from 3 and under 70% FTs, though his form doesn't look bad. Don't see anything that makes him better than say an EJ Liddell.

He had over 50 D1 offers, hes very tough like Liddel but he can play and guard he perimter

He doesn't look fit enough and I feel that lanky SF's would give him trouble.

If he had so many offers, he went to Harvard for the education? I guess he wasn't confident that he was a 1 and done.

Uh well he was ranked 96th in his class…ofc he wasn’t projected as a 1 and done

Also he 28 offers (not 50+) and over half of them were from P6 programs. Choosing Harvard over those programs just means he felt that it was the best fit for his and his development (both on and off the court). No problem with that.

Has nothing to do with him not being confident in his basketball abilities

[bboyskinnylegs]

Outside of Wemby, Amen Thompson is my favorite prospect. I think he's going to be a special player.

I like his brother too. I don't know what it is exactly, but I have my doubts about Scoot.

[DrCoach]

He'd be a nice gamble with the 2nd pick. Strength of schedule is bad, he looks like Landry Fields. Seems like a small combo forward that can't shoot from 3 and under 70% FTs, though his form doesn't look bad. Don't see anything that makes him better than say an EJ Liddell.

He had over 50 D1 offers, hes very tough like Liddel but he can play and guard he perimter

He doesn't look fit enough and I feel that lanky SF's would give him trouble.

If he had so many offers, he went to Harvard for the education? I guess he wasn't confident that he was a 1 and done.

He had 17/9 bs Kansas on road.

Why else would one choose Harvard over SEC, ACC, Big Ten… to allude that he isnt confident, have you seen him play?

He was Gatorade player of the year at the #1 school

Confidence def isnt an issue

[DrCoach]

He had over 50 D1 offers, hes very tough like Liddel but he can play and guard he perimter

He doesn't look fit enough and I feel that lanky SF's would give him trouble.

If he had so many offers, he went to Harvard for the education? I guess he wasn't confident that he was a 1 and done.

Uh well he was ranked 96th in his class…ofc he wasn’t projected as a 1 and done

Also he 28 offers (not 50+) and over half of them were from P6 programs. Choosing Harvard over those programs just means he felt that it was the best fit for his and his development (both on and off the court). No problem with that.

Has nothing to do with him not being confident in his basketball abilities

He had 50+.

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/chris-ledlum-216588?view=pv

And his list is mot updated to include Mich etc

[Bruin]

He doesn't look fit enough and I feel that lanky SF's would give him trouble.

If he had so many offers, he went to Harvard for the education? I guess he wasn't confident that he was a 1 and done.

Uh well he was ranked 96th in his class…ofc he wasn’t projected as a 1 and done

Also he 28 offers (not 50+) and over half of them were from P6 programs. Choosing Harvard over those programs just means he felt that it was the best fit for his and his development (both on and off the court). No problem with that.

Has nothing to do with him not being confident in his basketball abilities

He had 50+.

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/chris-ledlum-216588?view=pv

And his list is mot updated to include Mich etc

Even that link is saying 34. Where does it say 50+?

Also 247 is the best source when it comes to high school recruiting, not Rivals

https://247sports.com/player/chris-ledlum-46051656/

on3 also says he had 28 offers
https://www.on3.com/db/chris-ledlum-21989/recruiting/

Michigan didn’t offer him

[DrCoach]

Uh well he was ranked 96th in his class…ofc he wasn’t projected as a 1 and done

Also he 28 offers (not 50+) and over half of them were from P6 programs. Choosing Harvard over those programs just means he felt that it was the best fit for his and his development (both on and off the court). No problem with that.

Has nothing to do with him not being confident in his basketball abilities

He had 50+.

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/chris-ledlum-216588?view=pv

And his list is mot updated to include Mich etc

Even that link is saying 34. Where does it say 50+?

Also 247 is the best source when it comes to high school recruiting, not Rivals

https://247sports.com/player/chris-ledlum-46051656/

on3 also says he had 28 offers
https://www.on3.com/db/chris-ledlum-21989/recruiting/

Michigan didn’t offer him

The point is you disputed the 28 as fact. I just showed you 34.

Belein from Michigan DID offer him

[Mark_83]

It's unrealistic but if we could add Cason Wallace with our pick and Anthony Black with an acquired pick we could rebuild our back court with more size, defense, and shooting.

Black
Wallace
Barnes
OG
Siakam

[Ell Curry]

It's unrealistic but if we could add Cason Wallace with our pick and Anthony Black with an acquired pick we could rebuild our back court with more size, defense, and shooting.

Black
Wallace
Barnes
OG
Siakam

I think if we moved Van Vleet and Trent for future assets and don’t get back a decent center or guard (or if we do they’re literally a rookie) this is realistic. Finish 8th worst and draft Cason and the best asset in the Van Vleet trade is like the 15th pick and we move up using the 25th pick or so we get for Trent to get up to around #10 and draft Black or another wing type.

[Kevin Willis]

It's unrealistic but if we could add Cason Wallace with our pick and Anthony Black with an acquired pick we could rebuild our back court with more size, defense, and shooting.

Black
Wallace
Barnes
OG
Siakam

I think if we moved Van Vleet and Trent for future assets and don’t get back a decent center or guard (or if we do they’re literally a rookie) this is realistic. Finish 8th worst and draft Cason and the best asset in the Van Vleet trade is like the 15th pick and we move up using the 25th pick or so we get for Trent to get up to around #10 and draft Black or another wing type.

Not sure we want two rookie defensive combo guards to start for us. Especially they shoot low volume 3s. Keep FVV. Have 1 and the other is a wing player that can really shoot / score. I like them both, just not at the same time starting for us.

[Bruin]

He had 50+.

https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/chris-ledlum-216588?view=pv

And his list is mot updated to include Mich etc

Even that link is saying 34. Where does it say 50+?

Also 247 is the best source when it comes to high school recruiting, not Rivals

https://247sports.com/player/chris-ledlum-46051656/

on3 also says he had 28 offers
https://www.on3.com/db/chris-ledlum-21989/recruiting/

Michigan didn’t offer him

The point is you disputed the 28 as fact. I just showed you 34.

Belein from Michigan DID offer him

Where do you see that Michigan offered him?

Rivals says 34 but 2 other sources (1 of which is more reliable says 28). You said 50+ which is reported literally nowhere. Not even the source you gave lol

[PhilBlackson]

I'm starting to have ranges of where we land in the draft & somewhat big board..

1st overall - Obvious (Vic)
2 or 3 - Scoot or Amen (pretty interchangeable for me)
4 to 7 - Ausar, Whitmore, Baba & Brandon Miller
8-10 - Anthony Black, GG Jackson
10-15 - Jarace Walker, Kel'El Ware, Dariq Whitehead, Nick Smith Jr, Cason Wallace, Keyonte George
15-19 - Maxwell Lewis (feels like such a sleeper pick, might be my fav outside the lottery), Terquavion Smith, Jett Howard, Sidy Cissiko

But even typing those out, there's a noticeable drop off in what they MAY project as soon as we get outside of the lottery. Vic obv generational, then the next 2 look like surefire multiple time all-stars, next tier likely all-stars, next couple of tiers may have that potential to be all-stars as well but not quite as likely. Then just outside of the lottery it looks like 6th men to high level role players types (although there's always a player that slides outside the lottery that turns out to be a steal). I know there are other names people here will like ie/ Filipowski, Dick, Hendricks, Rupert, Sensabaugh, Kris Murray, Lively etc but personally I'm not all that sold on any of those right now.

[Psubs]

It's unrealistic but if we could add Cason Wallace with our pick and Anthony Black with an acquired pick we could rebuild our back court with more size, defense, and shooting.

Black
Wallace
Barnes
OG
Siakam

I think if we moved Van Vleet and Trent for future assets and don’t get back a decent center or guard (or if we do they’re literally a rookie) this is realistic. Finish 8th worst and draft Cason and the best asset in the Van Vleet trade is like the 15th pick and we move up using the 25th pick or so we get for Trent to get up to around #10 and draft Black or another wing type.

Not sure we want two rookie defensive combo guards to start for us. Especially they shoot low volume 3s. Keep FVV. Have 1 and the other is a wing player that can really shoot / score. I like them both, just not at the same time starting for us.

Cason is shooting like 5 attempts per game at a 47% clip from 3.

As for Anthony Black , Nick Smith Jr and Ricky Council, I get a feeling like they'll be like a threesome on par with Eddie Jones, Rick Brunson and Aaron McKie.

[Psubs]

I'm starting to have ranges of where we land in the draft & somewhat big board..

1st overall - Obvious (Vic)
2 or 3 - Scoot or Amen (pretty interchangeable for me)
4 to 7 - Ausar, Whitmore, Baba & Brandon Miller
8-10 - Anthony Black, GG Jackson
10-15 - Jarace Walker, Kel'El Ware, Dariq Whitehead, Nick Smith Jr, Cason Wallace, Keyonte George
15-19 - Maxwell Lewis (feels like such a sleeper pick, might be my fav outside the lottery), Terquavion Smith, Jett Howard, Sidy Cissiko

But even typing those out, there's a noticeable drop off in what they MAY project as soon as we get outside of the lottery. Vic obv generational, then the next 2 look like surefire multiple time all-stars, next tier likely all-stars, next couple of tiers may have that potential to be all-stars as well but not quite as likely. Then just outside of the lottery it looks like 6th men to high level role players types (although there's always a player that slides outside the lottery that turns out to be a steal). I know there are other names people here will like ie/ Filipowski, Dick, Hendricks, Rupert, Sensabaugh, Kris Murray, Lively etc but personally I'm not all that sold on any of those right now.

I like if but I move Cason into 4-7 and Whitmore to 8-10. I might move Keyonte George to 15-19.

[Kevin Willis]

I think if we moved Van Vleet and Trent for future assets and don’t get back a decent center or guard (or if we do they’re literally a rookie) this is realistic. Finish 8th worst and draft Cason and the best asset in the Van Vleet trade is like the 15th pick and we move up using the 25th pick or so we get for Trent to get up to around #10 and draft Black or another wing type.

Not sure we want two rookie defensive combo guards to start for us. Especially they shoot low volume 3s. Keep FVV. Have 1 and the other is a wing player that can really shoot / score. I like them both, just not at the same time starting for us.

Cason is shooting like 5 attempts per game at a 47% clip from 3.

As for Anthony Black , Nick Smith Jr and Ricky Council, I get a feeling like they'll be like a threesome on par with Eddie Jones, Rick Brunson and Aaron McKie.

I'm aware, that was directed more to Black. Still don't see Wallace as a shooter, more as a strong defender that can facilitate and hit the three. A combo guard. Which is great but we need a shooter / scorer preferably at a taller height.

Agree that is an electric back court. My favourite to win March Madness.